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post #361 of 1015
I recently purchased a KDL-52W5100 and want to set up the wireless capabilities. I currently have a wired motorola cable router for use with my regular DELL PC which is about 12 feet away from the new Bravia TV.

So, this is the first need for "wireless" capabilities and as a result, I haven't a clue as to what I need to buy. Do I just need the router or do I also need a bridge? It's so confusing.

The other thing I would use it for would be watching NETFLIX movies through my netflix account online. I do plan on buying a laptop in the next 6 months. Can someone give me a recommendation with specific products/models that will work well for my situation? The Bravia website recommends the Linksys Ultra RangePlus Wireless-N Broadband Router. What about the bridge? Do I need one?

Thanks!
post #362 of 1015
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Originally Posted by juiced123 View Post

I know the issues with Sony's "auto dimming" technology are well documented, but I think Sony has come up with a good fix. This TV has a light sensor... if you turn it on (via the Eco options/ Auto Light Sensor), the TV will auto adjust the backlight based on the ambient light in the room. This will all but ensure you do not experience screen uniformity issues.

With the light sensor ON, my 52W5150 has a noticeable cloud when viewing a black image in a dark room.
post #363 of 1015
Just got my 40W5100 yesterday as a present!

Connectivity
- wired LAN over 1Gbit network switch and CAT6 wiring

Firmware update
- easy process that took 5 minutes

DLNA with Windows 7 Media Center

Video streaming
- AVI/MPEG - work great
- MP4 - works great
- MKV - doesn't work

Pictures streaming
- JPEG - work as long as you don't embed a color profile
- ARW - Sony DSLR RAW file format is read by TV from USB only!

Music Steaming
- MP3 - works fine

Internet services
- YouTube- search is hard to use. Works as expected overall, except for fast forward/rewind (a bit glitchy)
- Other services work fine (haven't tested every one of them, just some).
- Michael Jackson music videos - awesome! Decent quality considering this is streaming over the internet

Overall TV responsiveness
- All normal TV functions are fast and snappy
- Steaming over the internet or even wired local network can has a delay (buffering content mostly). But once it gets going - playback and everything else works pretty well.

Remote
- Function wise - great
- Shape wise - good
- Button layout - terrible (who thought of putting volume and channel buttons in the least accessible portion of remote?
- Labeling and logic - good, but not great. Getting used to functions and command sequences quickly, but could be more intuitive. On the other hand TV shows which buttons are active and useful during any operation (options, return, enter, left right, up/down, etc)

Panel
- Haven't look at it in the dark yet, so no comment on flash-lighting on clouding.
- Colors seem good (need to calibrate now)
- Reflectivity - average. It's not glossy like many new Samsungs or Sonys, but I have a lot of large unshaded windows in the room and some reflections can still be distracting

Connectivity
- Nice selection and number of inputs outputs
- TV recognizes active ones and speeds up input selection by disabling inactive ones in the list so you can't even highlight them
- Computer output over analog DB15 is average/poor. I expect DHMI over DVI should give much clearer picture.

HD Movies
- Not tested yet

USB functions
- Sees and displays JPEG and ARW (Sony camera RAW files)
- won't see my AVI's

Broadcasting Reception
- Not tested yet



Overall conclusions
- This is one kick-ass TV with a ton of cool features and useful streaming options. While some of the features and not 100% working yet, they are getting pretty close to getting it to acceptable level. Right now the major issue is JPEG picture files not working in full size/slideshow mode. Considering that there will probably be a firmware update to fix some of the issues and bring more content - I think we are looking at a decent product.
post #364 of 1015
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Originally Posted by barbie7034 View Post

I recently purchased a KDL-52W5100 and want to set up the wireless capabilities. I currently have a wired motorola cable router for use with my regular DELL PC which is about 12 feet away from the new Bravia TV. So, this is the first need for "wireless" capabilities and as a result, I haven't a clue as to what I need to buy. Do I just need the router or do I also need a bridge? It's so confusing.

If you don't currently have a wireless router, you will need one as it will allow multiple computers/devices to use your internet connection. As for the TV, you have a couple options. Since it sounds like the TV and your computer are in the same room, you could buy a long ethernet cable to plug into the back of your tv and into your new router. If you don't want to have cable across your room,then you would need to buy a wireless bridge. Your TV would be connected to the wireless bridge via an ethernet cable, then the wireless bridge would connect to your router via WiFi. This diagram from DLink's website gives you a basic idea of the setup (you don't need to use their equipment):
post #365 of 1015
You can also use one of the Powerline adapters, if you have a regular router (wired I mean)
post #366 of 1015
first off...ABSOLUTELY LOVE THE SITE...i bought the v5100 and im really hung up on the "clouding" you get with the darker scenes...sure brighter landscape scenes look GREAT...but anything darker looks blotchy and the clouding comes...im thinking of taking the 15% restocking fee and speading the extra doe for the w5100...the last straw i guess was tonight as i watched Lord of the Rings on TnT the entire cave action scene was just blurry and bad looking...my wife told me if she see's that damn menu scene on the tv again im dead...lol...is it worth the extra 300 bucks or so to get the W5100?
post #367 of 1015
I guess b/c the speakers are downward fire type..the sound/volume seems to be pretty weak...
What do you guys do to get better/louder sound from the W5100??
I have to tune the volume to 50 to get simlar sound I would get w/ volume at 20 compare to my Z4100..
post #368 of 1015
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Originally Posted by justthinking View Post

What do you guys do to get better/louder sound from the W5100??

I'm using a Logitech Z-5500; connected via optical. Works great.
post #369 of 1015
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Originally Posted by pleomorph View Post

Has anyone noticed that when streaming Netflix, the playback seems to drop a frame every 5 seconds or so?


Yes, I've seen that too. It is subtle but annoying.
post #370 of 1015
I'm posting here to see if any other users are having buffering or audio/video sync issues when viewing netflix content through a KDL-46W5100.

I have a good 10-12 mbps cable modem connection (TWCNY.RR.COM), an older d-link router and a hard-wired LAN connection to the tv.

I've watched a dozen or more HD sitcom episodes (the office) and good playback happens about 70% of the time. The rest of the time there is excessive buffering and/or audio is out of sync after the buffering takes place. I've had much worse luck with movies. I've watched ONE good movie so far through netflix. And this was late at night when network traffic is likely low in my area. I might get up to 12 minutes of playback before the buffering strikes. Netflix has a very vague playback reporting tool which I've used, but so far I have not found a way to fix this...

Suggestions????
post #371 of 1015
I had the same Netflix HD experience and gave up on it. I have 27-28mbps download test speeds usually and I can't even play 1 minute before it stops. and I assume it is only 720p resolution? don't know. I'm using a rented netgear router wired.
maybe I should test without the probably cheap router and try direct from my modem??

I'm about to cancel my NF trial and their streaming and HD choices are limited anyway..
post #372 of 1015
I recently got the TV and was really impressed with the quality, however, when I tried to hook up my PC to the TV with a DVI-HDMI cable, some of the letters displayed are "more red"...

I guess it's hard to explain with words, so i took a picture of that, and my laptop hooked up with VGA

laptop through VGA


PC through DVI-HDMI


notice how the t's and m's have some red tint to it?

can anyone explain what that is?
post #373 of 1015
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Originally Posted by mcoulter View Post

I'm posting here to see if any other users are having buffering or audio/video sync issues when viewing netflix content through a KDL-46W5100.

I have a good 10-12 mbps cable modem connection (TWCNY.RR.COM), an older d-link router and a hard-wired LAN connection to the tv.

I've watched a dozen or more HD sitcom episodes (the office) and good playback happens about 70% of the time. The rest of the time there is excessive buffering and/or audio is out of sync after the buffering takes place. I've had much worse luck with movies. I've watched ONE good movie so far through netflix. And this was late at night when network traffic is likely low in my area. I might get up to 12 minutes of playback before the buffering strikes. Netflix has a very vague playback reporting tool which I've used, but so far I have not found a way to fix this...

Suggestions????

I just registered just to quote mcoulter, i talked to netflix and they did confirm that it is a sony problem, there is something wrong with their software and that both netflix and sony are working on this issue. the thing is driving me nuts. i have a high speed broadband connection average 15mbps down and 3.5mbps up and every two minutes the picture buffers and when it gets back the audio is out of sync. I think i'm going to go ahead and purchase a xbox live gold member ship account just so i can use the netflix feature through the 360 and bypass the tv until sony fix's the issue. apparently you have to have a gold account even though you just want you use netflix.

p.s the tv is a 46w5100 and i'm loving it.

the only thing that annoys me and i dont know if this is my fault is that when i setup the picture settings for a device lets say on hdmi 2 and then i unplug the device and replace with a different device i lose those settings?
post #374 of 1015
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Originally Posted by mcoulter View Post

I've watched a dozen or more HD sitcom episodes (the office) and good playback happens about 70% of the time. The rest of the time there is excessive buffering and/or audio is out of sync after the buffering takes place.

I've had this happen on occasion, not often. I found that if you "rewind" (hold down the left arrow) a couple seconds, the audio will sync back up. Also, try pressing the middle button to pause the stream and give it a chance to buffer, then maybe you can make it through the rest of the show without it having to buffer again?
post #375 of 1015
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Originally Posted by juiced123 View Post

46KDLW5100
Calibration w/ Spears & Munsil Blu-Ray DVD (pretty close to Cnet settings taked about in this forum)

I've had this set for a couple of weeks. Two thoughts.

"Clouding" seems to be a major issue/theme here. I too have clouding in the upper right and left corners of the set.

This idea from [ nate1013 ] #1- Screen uniformity issues, such as Flashlight (brighter corners) and Mura (brighter spots through out the screen). I know the issues with Sony's "auto dimming" technology are well documented, but I think Sony has come up with a good fix. This TV has a light sensor... if you turn it on (via the Eco options/ Auto Light Sensor), the TV will auto adjust the backlight based on the ambient light in the room. This will all but ensure you do not experience screen uniformity issues. This technology works much better than the previous technology which adjusted the back light based on the brightness of the input picture. No more of the constant screen brightness shifting... Unless your are adjusting the light in your room constantly, you won't notice a thing (accept the lack of flashlighting etc that can really bother those of us who notice those things). Note you can turn this feature on and off, so if you are watching a program and you think the picture is too dark, just turn it off. If you are watching a program in a dark room though, I find this feature adjusts the backlight for optimal viewing very well.

... helped to eliminate this effect a lot. Also, it seems to have diminished over time.

Any fixes for the unlevel stand issue? My screen is about a 1/4 in. lower on the right side.

Otherwise, very happy with this set. Colors are amazing.

Yeah I'm pretty ocd when it comes to things like this. My screen is also about a 1/4 lower on the right side. Not a big deal but it is noticeble Is anyone also having motion blur issues when watching movies and playing video games? The only tv I can compare it to is the Samsung B750 since I used to own that one, and while it had some blur, the W5100 is far worse.
post #376 of 1015
[quote=sonofkrypton;17849552]I just registered just to quote mcoulter, i talked to netflix and they did confirm that it is a sony problem, there is something wrong with their software and that both netflix and sony are working on this issue. the thing is driving me nuts. i have a high speed broadband connection average 15mbps down and 3.5mbps up and every two minutes the picture buffers and when it gets back the audio is out of sync...]

I've experienced this problem with HD movies; SD plays fine. Thought it was
my download speed - 6 down, 560 up. Guess not.
post #377 of 1015
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Originally Posted by nortoncorey View Post

...i bought the v5100 and im really hung up on the "clouding" you get with the darker scenes...sure brighter landscape scenes look GREAT...but anything darker looks blotchy and the clouding comes...im thinking of taking the 15% restocking fee and speading the extra doe for the w5100...is it worth the extra 300 bucks or so to get the W5100?

I just returned my V5100 (infernal red flashing!) and got the W5100 yesterday.

Right now I see just one problem with the W: bright clouding in all four corners. The picture is great otherwise.

It's only been one day, so I'll wait and see how things develop before sending this one back, but if you're worried about clouding, make sure you get it from a place with a 30-day return window. It might be pretty bad on the W as well.
post #378 of 1015
The only LCDs that had 0 cloduing that I've seen are Samsungs (super slim LED ones, and thicker LED backlit).

My friend has the 52" 7000 series and that thing has such deep black, that if the TV is on but has just a black picture to show - you will think TV is off completely. There is no gray glow like you get with CFL at all...
post #379 of 1015
If you only have a black picture on, I think that TV will turn off its LED backlight completely, so theoretically speaking the TV is "off" and you won't see anything on the TV.

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Originally Posted by Yazon View Post

The only LCDs that had 0 cloduing that I've seen are Samsungs (super slim LED ones, and thicker LED backlit).

My friend has the 52" 7000 series and that thing has such deep black, that if the TV is on but has just a black picture to show - you will think TV is off completely. There is no gray glow like you get with CFL at all...
post #380 of 1015
Although I didn't compare pictures via VGA and HDMI, I can confirm that I observed exactly the same thing on HDMI connection. Somehow the font edges appear with a little bit color (usually red), which seems the colors do not converge perfectly.

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Originally Posted by iceheat710 View Post

I recently got the TV and was really impressed with the quality, however, when I tried to hook up my PC to the TV with a DVI-HDMI cable, some of the letters displayed are "more red"...

I guess it's hard to explain with words, so i took a picture of that, and my laptop hooked up with VGA

laptop through VGA


PC through DVI-HDMI


notice how the t's and m's have some red tint to it?

can anyone explain what that is?
post #381 of 1015
RE: Closed Captioning with Comcast

I've never been able to get them to work with my other LCD (a 32" westinghouse) or my 46W5100. You have to enable it at the box.

If it is a Motorola try this;
-Turn cable box off via remote
- press Menu on remote
- highlight closed captioning and turn it on
- press power
- press cable and then power again

That should enable them at the box.


Absolutely love this tv so far. Watched UP in 1080p and was amazed. Still not satisfied with the native speakers, but toslink'd to a 10 year old phillips receiver cures that.

Is there a way to make the tv volume and output volume work with the remote? I tried all the settings, and even read the manual and I can't seem to get it to work. I.e. when you turn the volume down via remote the output volume goes down.
post #382 of 1015
Purchased my 52W5100 this Sunday- had to push delivery from tomorrow to Thursday Cannot wait to get it up and running!
post #383 of 1015
Does the right hand of Sony know what the left hand is doing?

Got the 46W5100. The basic TV is great but the video streaming is still so last decade The W5100 can play .MP4 on the USB but not .AVI...but the PS3 can play the .AVI but not the .MP4 (both using HD on USB port).

The same .MP4 on the Acer WHS can't be played. Sees the server & folders but thats it. Yes, I know WHS is not really DLNA compliant device but using the WMP11 it should be. The PS3 can see the files and play more than the W5100 but so far, haven't been able to use the network streaming feature. Which is one big reason for picking this puppy up.

Can anyone that has it working give info on their setup and how they did it? All the positive posts is that it works...great but HOW???
post #384 of 1015
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Originally Posted by arthurking View Post

Although I didn't compare pictures via VGA and HDMI, I can confirm that I observed exactly the same thing on HDMI connection. Somehow the font edges appear with a little bit color (usually red), which seems the colors do not converge perfectly.

Is there anything I can do to fix that? Although I'll mostly be playing videos off my PC which makes it less noticeable, but this convergence issue is kinda bugging me lol.
post #385 of 1015
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Originally Posted by MameJunkie View Post


Got the 46W5100. The basic TV is great but the video streaming is still so last decade The W5100 can play .MP4 on the USB but not .AVI...but the PS3 can play the .AVI but not the .MP4 (both using HD on USB port).

Can anyone that has it working give info on their setup and how they did it? All the positive posts is that it works...great but HOW???


AVI files work for me through the DLNA client in TV. I have Windows 7 with Windows Media Player working as the server. TV connects to it, sees pictures, AVI and MP4 files, MP3s.

There is not much as far as setup goes - just share out your AVI files from computer with DLNA server (such as Windows Media Player) and then browse to them from TV.
post #386 of 1015
When you say .AVI files - what kind of files are they? Divx? Xvid?

Also, what are .MP4 files exactly? I don't think I have any... are these downloaded from the web, or did you make them yourself on a DVcam or something?
post #387 of 1015
MP4s are just trailer movie files downloaded from the web.
AVIs contain Divx encoded stream made with CloneDVDMobile. Sound inside is MP3 VBR i believe, but not 100% sure.
post #388 of 1015
Thanks.

Could you (and others?) do a favor and run your media files through the following app? It'll determine what CODEC and FORMAT they're truly using.

MediaInfo - http://mediainfo.sourceforge.net/en

And then perhaps post which formats work on the W5100 and which ones don't work?

I'll do the same thing once I get my TV! It'll be helpful to all of us if we can nail down exactly which formats/codecs this TV can handle. And see if SONY can improve that in future firmware updates (at the very least, it looks like we will get one soon for the Netflix issue!)
post #389 of 1015
I bought the 52w5100 Saturday and i was watching over the air TV today, as I was flipping the channels quickly (to get from one channel to another without the display loading completely) the screen turned blank and the tv turned off then back on. I also notices the current time that I had set was gone and it was back to --. I have to reset the current time again. Has anyone seen this? I am thinking about going back to exchange for another 52w5100. let me know, thx
post #390 of 1015
Upgrade your firmware...
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