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How Useful is a Magnolia Listening Test? Denon vs. Pioneer

post #1 of 9
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I've been trying to decide between a Denon 2310 and a Pioneer Elite 23THX. I went to the Magnolia section at my local Best Buy to check them out. During the demonstration, the Pioneer sounded stronger in the mid-range and little thin in the bass (the tests were done without subwoofers) while the Denon seemed to have a little more bass throughout. Both sounded good, but I ended up feeling that the Denon had a warmer sound that I preferred.

I left the store wondering if what I heard was actually true of both receivers or whether I was just listening to the default settings without any kind of EQ applied. Short of setting up the receiver in your home using your speakers, can you really tell much about a receiver in a store situation like Magnolia?
post #2 of 9
IMO, not very useful.

How were they setup? Was room correction setup for them and engaged? Where their controls set to flat? Bass management?

Was the same source fed to the receivers in the same way?

And without an SPL meter, it's hard to put them at the same volume, and there's some evidence that people will unconciously prefer the louder SPL level.
post #3 of 9
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I don't know if there was any room correction, how the controls were set or if there was bass management. I asked the salesman, but he couldn't answer.

The source was fed the same way and he did set the volumes at the same numerical levels. One didn't sound appreciably louder to me than the other.

If nothing else I learned that both the Denon and Pioneer run a lot cooler than the Onkyo I have now. Not a small thing. I've been worried that even with ventilation my current reciever is not only going to cook itself, but all of my other components as well.
post #4 of 9
Same numerical levels is not level matched unless the two receivers have an identical gain structure with no level differences and the exact same output power with the exact same input signal.
post #5 of 9
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Originally Posted by scottap View Post

I left the store wondering if what I heard was actually true of both receivers?

No. Used in the same way, they will sound the same. With the room correction calibration, they will sound different. My hunch is that the Denon will be more accurate, because the Audyssey stuff is very advanced compared to Pioneer's parametric EQ.
post #6 of 9
Did you also confirm that you were listening to digital audio? Both of my local Magnolia stores inside Best Buy have there set-ups with analog audio only!
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Originally Posted by PIRSQUARED View Post

Did you also confirm that you were listening to digital audio? Both of my local Magnolia stores inside Best Buy have there set-ups with analog audio only!

Wow, that is why one can not trust and in store demo's.
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Originally Posted by PIRSQUARED View Post

Did you also confirm that you were listening to digital audio? Both of my local Magnolia stores inside Best Buy have there set-ups with analog audio only!

He pulled the Denon off the shelf for a moment to check a connection, but I couldn't really tell. The moral of all this seems to be that unless you have five hours to learn and configure each receiver, a listening test at Magnolia is not going to be that helpful (other than finding out how hot each receiver runs).

I'm assuming that the impression I got that the Denon has more bass/warmth in the lower-end is not really true.
post #9 of 9
Too many variables.
If you don't know what all the setting are deep inside the menu's, you'll never know if you are actually comparing apples to apples.

It's not that it can't be auditioned properly, it just probably wasn't and wouldn't be there.

shane
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