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post #121 of 943
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

Good. I am now planning this week (and this weekend) to spend with the 85. The last 3 weekends I have spent with a different PJ!

You are a projector rock star!!

I'm curious to read your review of the 950. Have you posted it? If not, can you PM me with your findings? Thanks!
post #122 of 943
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Originally Posted by Waboman View Post

I'm curious to read your review of the 950. Have you posted it? If not, can you PM me with your findings? Thanks!

direct link got censored! oops!

click the link in his sig and you can find your way to it.
post #123 of 943
joerod,

When you compared the HD950 to the Sony for motion did you use the Dark-Frame-Insertion on the Sony or any of the fake frame creation modes on either projector?

And I may have missed it in your review, but what screen do you use for the reviews? Is it the SilverStar? If so, do you notice the sparklies/speckling with that screen?

--Darin
post #124 of 943
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Originally Posted by drewski11 View Post

direct link got censored! oops!

click the link in his sig and you can find your way to it.

Bingo!

I will post my Sony review here later this week...
post #125 of 943
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Originally Posted by darinp2 View Post

joerod,

When you compared the HD950 to the Sony for motion did you use the Dark-Frame-Insertion on the Sony or any of the fake frame creation modes on either projector?

And I may have missed it in your review, but what screen do you use for the reviews? Is it the SilverStar? If so, do you notice the sparklies/speckling with that screen?

--Darin

Hi Darin, the answer is no, I did not use MotionFlow or DFI with the 200 or Clear Motion with the 550/950. My comparison pic is actually using a Panny S1 50" plasma. I plan to post a similar pic of the 85 shortly. And I know it is hard to see exactly what is going on using pics but it at least gives a good reference.

And I am still using the Silverstar but most "movie" viewing I sit in the back row (22 feet back). Sports like Football is a front row must. I don't notice the sparklies that can occur but I could just be used to the look? Sitting in the back row for movies makes it much less evident.
post #126 of 943
I saw a demo of the 950 the other day. The picture looks very very good, however, when they turned the FI on, and played a scene from Transformers Blu-ray -- there was a HORRIBLE distortion effect. (It was the scene where Megan Fox is looking under the hood of the car, and the effect appeared on her shirt). I'm assuming this is the problem that the earlier posts mentioned. It disappeared when they shut the FI off. It's really concerning to me that this projector has that problem. While I probably won't be watching movies with it engaged, it is still worrisome and I can't help but wonder whether it will appear on some sports broadcasts as well (which I would probably want to use it for). Has anyone seen the Sony vw85 yet? If so, how does its FI compare to the 950?
post #127 of 943
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Originally Posted by trf1968 View Post

I saw a demo of the 950 the other day. The picture looks very very good, however, when they turned the FI on, and played a scene from Transformers Blu-ray -- there was a HORRIBLE distortion effect. (It was the scene where Megan Fox is looking under the hood of the car, and the effect appeared on her shirt). I'm assuming this is the problem that the earlier posts mentioned. It disappeared when they shut the FI off. It's really concerning to me that this projector has that problem. While I probably won't be watching movies with it engaged, it is still worrisome and I can't help but wonder whether it will appear on some sports broadcasts as well (which I would probably want to use it for). Has anyone seen the Sony vw85 yet? If so, how does its FI compare to the 950?

It's not intended for film based sources but rather video based (such as sports). Not surprised that you didn't like it with that movie.
post #128 of 943
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Originally Posted by Jason Turk View Post

It's not intended for film based sources but rather video based (such as sports). Not surprised that you didn't like it with that movie.

I did try it with Planet Earth albeit briefly and it had a positive effect on this 1080p/24 material. I played the mountains, chapter 3, and instead of "film like" it became "helicoptor like". It smoothed out the motion to the point that I felt i was looking out of a helicoptor window instead. Now I only played a few minutes, so i don't know if there are scenes, like the movies I tried, where the FI goes nuts and messes up completely..but it was fine on that scene.
post #129 of 943
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Originally Posted by JonStatt View Post

I did try it with Planet Earth albeit briefly and it had a positive effect on this 1080p/24 material. I played the mountains, chapter 3, and instead of "film like" it became "helicoptor like". It smoothed out the motion to the point that I felt i was looking out of a helicoptor window instead. Now I only played a few minutes, so i don't know if there are scenes, like the movies I tried, where the FI goes nuts and messes up completely..but it was fine on that scene.

+1 As I already posted a number of days ago. I don't know what is "wrong" with my 25 but the FI works great on it. These mountain scenes are incredible on mine with the most realistic 3D effect from 2D I've seen yet, but it's also fed 1080i from early Toshiba HA2 HD DVD player through a Flea with detail enhancement boosted, then 1080p60 from an Edge....and off of a Hi Power screen. Not everyone's combination for sure.

But Phil on AV forums stated it was useless also watching movies like King Kong from whatever TV feed he has. All I can say is again mine works GREAT. I have a very good cable HD feed from Charter that can look almost as good as Bluray at times. With the same combination I just mentioned above, and with the CMD on High I just saw the cleanest, clearest, coolest rendering of Deliverance at home I've ever seen the other night, from one of the movie channels. As others have mentioned, even on High, the effects of the FI with JVC's implementation is not over the top. Now that I've watched a number of parts of movies on cable, many of them look just better. Not soap opera like, but just more depth and realism. Talking about my cable feeds now, not booting up a Bluray and running at 1080p24 with the FI on.

OMG....had forgotten the incredible real river running footage in that movie. Better by far than The River Wild....especially in that they ran huge rapids in those aluminum canoes. And lots of closeups of Voight, Reynolds, etc where you could see they were actually in a number of those medium rapids.
post #130 of 943
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Originally Posted by JonStatt View Post

I did try it with Planet Earth albeit briefly and it had a positive effect on this 1080p/24 material. I played the mountains, chapter 3, and instead of "film like" it became "helicoptor like". It smoothed out the motion to the point that I felt i was looking out of a helicoptor window instead. Now I only played a few minutes, so i don't know if there are scenes, like the movies I tried, where the FI goes nuts and messes up completely..but it was fine on that scene.

is it 1080/24 on disc? the original source for Planet Earth is HD-video, not film.
post #131 of 943
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Originally Posted by RonF View Post

+1 As I already posted a number of days ago. I don't know what is "wrong" with my 25 but the FI works great on it. These mountain scenes are incredible on mine with the most realistic 3D effect from 2D I've seen yet, but it's also fed 1080i from early Toshiba HA2 HD DVD player through a Flea with detail enhancement boosted, then 1080p60 from an Edge....and off of a Hi Power screen. Not everyone's combination for sure.

But Phil on AV forums stated it was useless also watching movies like King Kong from whatever TV feed he has. All I can say is again mine works GREAT. I have a very good cable HD feed from Charter that can look almost as good as Bluray at times. With the same combination I just mentioned above, and with the CMD on High I just saw the cleanest, clearest, coolest rendering of Deliverance at home I've ever seen the other night, from one of the movie channels. As others have mentioned, even on High, the effects of the FI with JVC's implementation is not over the top. Now that I've watched a number of parts of movies on cable, many of them look just better. Not soap opera like, but just more depth and realism. Talking about my cable feeds now, not booting up a Bluray and running at 1080p24 with the FI on.

OMG....had forgotten the incredible real river running footage in that movie. Better by far than The River Wild....especially in that they ran huge rapids in those aluminum canoes. And lots of closeups of Voight, Reynolds, etc where you could see they were actually in a number of those medium rapids.

It's not that some people won't enjoy it on more sources, but its original intention was for video based sources. That's all I am saying.
post #132 of 943
OK, a real newbie question here...

How does one know if material is film based or video based?
post #133 of 943
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Originally Posted by Jason Turk View Post

It's not that some people won't enjoy it on more sources, but its original intention was for video based sources. That's all I am saying.

Right. And I get that. It does work very well for video acquisitioned programming and for sports. Very well for sports in fact, and I would think there are a lot of owners who will watch more than just movies with these projectors. Plus, with 1080i TV sources from "clean" cable or satellite feeds some movies are also enhanced with it and not put "over the top" with the soap opera look. It just seems that aside from your initial impressions of it where you and Alan both agreed the implementation was quite good, that there is a lot of misinformation coming from other respected sources that the CMD isn't worth a poop with anything, not just 1080p24. I don't get it.
post #134 of 943
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Originally Posted by drewski11 View Post

is it 1080/24 on disc? the original source for Planet Earth is HD-video, not film.

It is 1080/24 on disc. I know it is HD-video, so I don't know quite how it ended up that way, but that is what is there. I have the BBC version (HD DVD). Interestingly I tried it on 1080/60 and it didn't play smoothly whether CMD was on or off.
post #135 of 943
Should we start a separate thread for calibration of the RS25?
post #136 of 943
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Originally Posted by RonF View Post

Right. And I get that. It does work very well for video acquisitioned programming and for sports. Very well for sports in fact, and I would think there are a lot of owners who will watch more than just movies with these projectors. Plus, with 1080i TV sources from "clean" cable or satellite feeds some movies are also enhanced with it and not put "over the top" with the soap opera look. It just seems that aside from your initial impressions of it where you and Alan both agreed the implementation was quite good, that there is a lot of misinformation coming from other respected sources that the CMD isn't worth a poop with anything, not just 1080p24. I don't get it.

Ah I see. Well it is definitely a love/hate relationship for sure. As I said, the JVC implementation is the best I have seen of any FI to date. In fact for the first time I could see myself using it on various sources. It really comes down to a personal preference thing (doesn't just about everything?).
post #137 of 943
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Originally Posted by vigga View Post

Should we start a separate thread for calibration of the RS25?

No, it is virtually identical to the RS20 and calibration is identical so would be best served IMO by the wider community (and redundant threads otherwise) to have its own thread. Please use the existing RS20 calibration thread.
post #138 of 943
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Originally Posted by lovingdvd View Post

No, it is virtually identical to the RS20 and calibration is identical so would be best served IMO by the wider community (and redundant threads otherwise) to have its own thread. Please use the existing RS20 calibration thread.

Maybe the title of that thread could be modified?

Mike
post #139 of 943
Is the "tweaked THX" still working?
post #140 of 943
I am not sure if 'Tweaked THX' is a good idea in the long run anyway as there is no possibility to fix gammas. At least on my HD750 gamma had drifted away from correct settings (didn't check THX mode, but it most likely shows the same phenomenon) and calibrating gammas properly restored image quality.
post #141 of 943
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Originally Posted by lovingdvd View Post

No, it is virtually identical to the RS20 and calibration is identical so would be best served IMO by the wider community (and redundant threads otherwise) to have its own thread. Please use the existing RS20 calibration thread.

The thread for the RS20 is over 1100 posts long. As someone who didn't move from the RS20 -> RS25, I'd would appreciate a new thread for questions.
post #142 of 943
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Originally Posted by vigga View Post

The thread for the RS20 is over 1100 posts long. As someone who didn't move from the RS20 -> RS25, I'd would appreciate a new thread for questions.

Think about all the value already contained in that thread. I know it takes a long time, but often when I buy a new piece of equipment and there are dozens (in some cases hundreds) of pages of posts, I read/skim through everything to catch up. In doing so I learn a great deal about past issues, FAQs, solved issues, open issues, tips/tricks etc.

If a new thread is started, without people reading through the other posts, a lot of the same questions that have already been discussed will be asked all over again. There are already thousands of experienced folks subscribed to that existing thread, and that is the best way to tap into the community for questions that have not already been addressed. Questions that have can be learned from the previous posts.
post #143 of 943
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Originally Posted by lovingdvd View Post

Think about all the value already contained in that thread. I know it takes a long time, but often when I buy a new piece of equipment and there are dozens (in some cases hundreds) of pages of posts, I read/skim through everything to catch up. In doing so I learn a great deal about past issues, FAQs, solved issues, open issues, tips/tricks etc.

If a new thread is started, without people reading through the other posts, a lot of the same questions that have already been discussed will be asked all over again. There are already thousands of experienced folks subscribed to that existing thread, and that is the best way to tap into the community for questions that have not already been addressed. Questions that have can be learned from the previous posts.

I agree with vigga. I'm considering a RS25 and would appreciate a dedicated thread. Starting a RS25 thread doesn't mean that crossover information in the RS20 thread will go away; folks can still refer to it if they wish. I don't want to have to search through 1000+ posts for information that may, or MAY NOT, help me with the RS25.
post #144 of 943
I guess I still don't see a problem with starting a new thread that clearly references the summary points from the original thread that is a place for owners of the RS25/35 to go. I'm happy to do that (summarize the information from the RS20 thread) if I people want it. If there is great resistance, at the very least I think we should try and modify the title of the RS20 thread - new owners might not even know that that pertains to them.
post #145 of 943
There's one thing it's not quite sure for me about the RS 20 and RS 25. Essencially the projectors are the the same, no question. But in this thread and in another one owners are reporting The RS 25 is a bit sharper. There was a member, who lives in Norway, had an hd 750 and changed for the hd 950. He got his pj calibrated.He was one that reported an increase in the last one. Is there really any difference in this point?
post #146 of 943
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Originally Posted by lovingdvd View Post

No, it is virtually identical to the RS20 and calibration is identical so would be best served IMO by the wider community (and redundant threads otherwise) to have its own thread. Please use the existing RS20 calibration thread.

I've included a link to it in the first post.
post #147 of 943
I just posted a CMS question in the RS20 CMS thread - would appreciate any feedback if anyone has a second to check that out -
post #148 of 943
Here's a question for the cloud:
Is anyone here using an Oppo BDP-83? Last night, I noticed that in order to see BTB test pattern on the AVS-HD test disc, I had to set the RS25 to Enhanced - even though I was sending YCbCr. It looks like the RS25 automatically clips when HDMI is set to Standard. With the RS1 you could still see BTB when the projector was in Standard. Has anyone else seen this?
post #149 of 943
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Originally Posted by vigga View Post

Here's a question for the cloud:
Is anyone here using an Oppo BDP-83? Last night, I noticed that in order to see BTB test pattern on the AVS-HD test disc, I had to set the RS25 to Enhanced - even though I was sending YCbCr. I was under the impression that BTB and WTW should be seen within video levels in YCbCr. Oppo is insisting that maybe the RS25 automatically clips when HDMI is set to Standard. Has anyone else seen this?

This is the same as with the RS20; one doesn't see BTB or WTW with HDMI on 'standard'. This is not a problem (I don't think), but I, and a lot of others I believe, set HDMI to 'enhanced' and then recalibrate Brightness and Contrast; I don't recall the number precisely, but I think BR is ~ -5 or -6, and CST ~ +5 or so. (They both come out ~ 0 when HDMI is set to 'standard'.)
post #150 of 943
Just found the answer to my own question in the RS20 forums Thanks for the reply - I think it was one of your posts that I read there as well
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