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Stream your Bluray movies to PS3 in lossless quality

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This guide is strictly for those who want to stream their Bluray collection in full lossless quality to their PS3.

NOTE: VC-1 Bluray movies will NOT natively stream to your PS3. You must convert the VC-1 video stream to H264 or to a format that the PS3 can understand. I will go over this later at the end of the guide.

Software you will need

AnyDVDHD - to remove copyright protection
http://www.slysoft.com/en/anydvdhd.html

EAC3TO - to extract the audio/video streams
http://madshi.net/eac3to.zip

TsMuxer - to create the M2TS movie file
http://www.smlabs.net/tsmuxer_en.html

PCM2TSMU - to convert PCM header for TsMuxer
http://www.softpedia.com/progDownloa...ad-111926.html

UDF 2.5 Driver (for Windows XP only) - to read Bluray structure
http://forum.slysoft.com/showthread.php?t=15597

ArcSoft TMT trial version - for DTSMA HD audio decoder
http://rapidshare.com/files/15529889...intro.exe.html

Basic Outline of Steps
  1. Install all software.
  2. Remove copy protection via AnyDVDHD
  3. Extract the audio/video streams separately with EAC3TO
  4. Convert PCM header to TsMuxer compatible format via PCM2TSMU
  5. Create final M2TS file via TsMuxer

Step 1
  1. Install AnyDVDHD, they have a 21 day free trial after which you must purchase a license.
  2. Install the trial version of ArcSoft TMT, we need this to get a proper DTS-MA decoder.
  3. Install the UDF driver if needed (XP only).
  4. Install EAC3TO, TsMuxer, and PCM2TSMU to a directory you can easily access as you will be using these programs heavily.

Step 2
  1. Make sure AnyDVDHD is running in the background. Insert your Bluray movie into the drive. You should see some status messages from AnyDVDHD saying that it's scanning the disk and removing the copy protection.

Step 3
  1. Now it's time to extract the audio and video streams separately from your Bluray movie via EAC3TO.
  2. Open up a CMD prompt and navigate to your EAC3TO directory.
  3. The first step is to choose the correct playlist. You need to look for the one that matches the main movie, typically the largest one and almost always the first playlist. The command below will show how to bring up the playlists.

    eac3to.exe F:
    "F:" denotes your Bluray disc drive.



  4. Now select the proper playlist. In the example below there is only one valid playlist and this is the one we want to select. Typically you will have a few playlists to choose from, the largest one is usually your main movie and it is almost always the 1st playlist in the list. Select the playlist with the following command:

    eac3to.exe F: 1)
    "F:" denotes your Bluray disc drive.
    "1)" denotes the playlist you want to select



  5. Now from this playlist we will select our audio and video stream. The video track is almost always the 2nd track after the Chapters track. It will say H264/AVC, MPEG2, VC-1, etc. The audio track is typically right after and this will be in either TrueHD, raw PCM, or DTS-MA format. To extract the audio and video tracks use the following command:

    eac3to.exe F: 1) 2: E:\\FifthElement.h264 3: E:\\FifthElement.pcm
    "F:" denotes your Bluray disc drive.
    "1)" denotes the playlist you want to select
    "2:" denotes the video track you want to extract. After selecting the video track you must provide the output directory. Since the video track is in .h264 format I save it to my destination directory as a .h264 file.
    "3:" denotes the audio track you want to extract. After selecting the audio track you must provide the output directory. ALL audio tracks must be saved as .pcm as this is the only format the PS3 will understand. This means TRUE-HD and DTS-MA get converted to raw PCM with no loss in sound quality.



  6. Wait for EAC3TO to complete. This will take awhile so go do something else. When EAC3TO is done you will have your audio and video track on your HDD. The last step we need to perform is the conversion of the PCM header on the audio track so TsMuxeR can understand it. Open up a CMD prompt and navigate to the PCM2TSMU directory. Enter the following command to convert the PCM header in your audio track:

    Pcm2Tsmu.exe E:\\FifthElement.pcm E:\\FifthElementUpdated.pcm -i 24 -c 6 -s 48000

    "E:\\FifthElement.pcm" denotes your input file
    "E:\\FifthElementUpdated.pcm" denotes your output file
    "-i" denotes the BitsPerSample of the audio track (typically 16 or 24)
    "-c" denotes the number of channels (typically 6=5.1)
    "-s" denotes the sample rate (typically 48KHz, or 48000Hz)

    EAC3TO will tell you the BitsPerSample, number of channels, and sample rate of your audio track when you extract it. Make sure you enter these parameters in correctly.



  7. Almost done. Now that we have our audio and video track we must combine them into an M2TS file that we can stream to the PS3. Open up TsMuxeR, use the GUI frontend found in the same directory called "tsMuxeRGUI". Click the "add" button and add in your audio and video tracks. On the bottom "Output" tab select M2TS muxing and enter in your destination directory. Click the "Start Muxing" button on the bottom and let TsMuxer do it's thing. When it's done you are FINISHED, and that M2TS file is what you will stream to your PS3 via an application like PS3MediaServer.


post #2 of 49
Or you could just put the bluray in the PS3........................
post #3 of 49
Is this a joke?
post #4 of 49
Why would this be a joke?

Thanks for the awesome tutorial.
post #5 of 49
This is a tutorial for illegally copying a rented, or borrowed copy of a Blu-ray. Then you can stream the illegally obtained Blu-ray audio and video to your PS3. I swear, what kind of society are we living in where people try to justify stealing?
post #6 of 49
This is great for people with media servers, This is meant for people who own the movie already, and want to stream it to multiple ps3s

He should have put a disclaimer on it.
post #7 of 49
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Originally Posted by dysfunction26 View Post

This is a tutorial for illegally copying a rented, or borrowed copy of a Blu-ray. Then you can stream the illegally obtained Blu-ray audio and video to your PS3. I swear, what kind of society are we living in where people try to justify stealing?

Or for legally copying your purchased BD and storing it on a HTPC so you can instantly access it from your PS3 without dealing with disk swapping or creating wear and tear on the disc.

Awesome solution for those with a home theater.

Didn't we just have a discussion about how great it be if we had the option to fully install PS3 games to our HDD's for the benefits? This isn't necessarily a method to illegally store movies, although it could be used that way.
post #8 of 49
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Originally Posted by dysfunction26 View Post

I swear, what kind of society are we living in where people try to justify stealing?

The same society where people feel like they can talk down to others based on ignorant assumptions they make because they are so self absorbed that they think everyone one else values things the same way they do. (Gee, I can only see value in copying Blu rays if you're going to steal them, therefore everyone must use it to steal movies)

Some of us don't just have a messy mash of discs thrown about on a cluttered entertainment center piled up next to the TV. Being able to access our media remotely through the home network is very desirable.

-Suntan
post #9 of 49
sanne,

Do you have any experience converting the audio to 5.1 or 7.1 multi-channel FLAC and then using PS3MS to convert it to PCM on-the-fly during streaming?

I'm going to be building a new PC next month after Win 7 is released and will update it for Blu ray ripping. I am still trying to work out how I want to handle my media storage scenarios, I'd like to save as much space as possible while still maintaining full quality for both audio and video.

-Suntan
post #10 of 49
Nice write up!

what's the total file size of the BR that is to be streamed when all is said and done?
post #11 of 49
I'm more interested to know if there's any issue streaming losslessly (word?) over a home network. Peaks of 50-60Mbps aren't an issue on a wired network?
post #12 of 49
No there is not an issue, since most movies hover around the 30- 40 mbps. But the mpeg2 movies will have a higher bitrate. Those are earlier movies though.

as long as you have a Wired 100mbit connection you are ok.
I stream HD all the time. QT trailer, avchd movies I convert to h.264
have no stuttering issues
post #13 of 49
What about VC-1 streaming. A conversion is necessary. What tools actually work to support getting the correct data to the PS3?
post #14 of 49
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Originally Posted by kck1 View Post

What about VC-1 streaming. A conversion is necessary. What tools actually work to support getting the correct data to the PS3?

i recently figured out how to carry orig vc1 rip converted to avchd via fat32 portable drive with orig high def sound..bingo
post #15 of 49
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Originally Posted by Suntan View Post

The same society where people feel like they can talk down to others based on ignorant assumptions they make because they are so self absorbed that they think everyone one else values things the same way they do. (Gee, I can only see value in copying Blu rays if you're going to steal them, therefore everyone must use it to steal movies)

Some of us don't just have a messy mash of discs thrown about on a cluttered entertainment center piled up next to the TV. Being able to access our media remotely through the home network is very desirable.

-Suntan

Then wait for digital downloads to be perfected, then that will answer all of your needs. They do sell shelves to organize your disc collection. Saying it to save wear and tear on discs is another justification, I own DVD's that are close to 15 years old, they still play like they are brand new.
post #16 of 49
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Originally Posted by dysfunction26 View Post

This is a tutorial for illegally copying a rented, or borrowed copy of a Blu-ray. Then you can stream the illegally obtained Blu-ray audio and video to your PS3. I swear, what kind of society are we living in where people try to justify stealing?

Wow.. if you tell me how I can backup my legally purchased movies I paid $20-$40 per copy so I can play them from my NAS, I'm all ears. The system is broken and AnyDVD HD software is legal as it is sold from country that doesn't have retarded laws like US has.

When the system is fixed then you can judge, but until then it is my full right to protect my hard earned money.


To OP, great tutorial, however you should include how to make copies of movies so they can play both on Xbox 360 Windows Media Center or PS3.

Also, re-encoding movies that are over 25mbps bitrate with MeGUI and CQ seetting of 18 or 20 will generate movies at significantly saved file size but without real loss of quality.

The ideal solution would be to backup movies to MKV + FLAC and use PS3 Media Server to play the files on PS3. Files like this consume much less space and they are still fantastic quality. Unfortunately not all devices support MKVs with FLAC in them but it's getting there.

You should also note that even though people can install Arcsoft Total Media Theater, the issue they will face is that they'll be missing the checkactivate.dll so EAC3TO will recognize it.

Other than that, good tutorial.
post #17 of 49
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Originally Posted by kck1 View Post

What about VC-1 streaming. A conversion is necessary. What tools actually work to support getting the correct data to the PS3?

VC1 won't work. What should be done is either re-encode into h.264 or use PS3 Media Server with your m2ts so it gets corrected when streamed to PS3. The best recommended way for doing stuff like this would probably be eac3to to mkv for the video track, audio track to LPCM and then use Haali's MKV Merge to create a file with video and audio track in it.
post #18 of 49
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Originally Posted by Bozster View Post

VC1 won't work. What should be done is either re-encode into h.264 or use PS3 Media Server with your m2ts so it gets corrected when streamed to PS3. The best recommended way for doing stuff like this would probably be eac3to to mkv for the video track, audio track to LPCM and then use Haali's MKV Merge to create a file with video and audio track in it.

ps3 media server thats what i was using but it was picky, stutter, no play, audio issues. btw would u know if ps3 media server would play bluray and dvd iso including menus?
post #19 of 49
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Originally Posted by zoro View Post

btw would u know if ps3 media server would play bluray and dvd iso including menus?

No, it will not.

-Suntan
post #20 of 49
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Originally Posted by Suntan View Post

No, it will not.

-Suntan

well try it then, I did dvd iso it played flawless, I did not try menus though.
post #21 of 49
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Originally Posted by zoro View Post

well try it then, I did dvd iso it played flawless, I did not try menus though.

Yeah, it will play the video of the DVD iso just fine. You asked if it played them *with* menus... Thus you were told no.

-Suntan
post #22 of 49
Thread Starter 
I am in no way advocating anything illegal. This guide is strictly for people who want to backup their Bluray collections onto their media servers to stream to their PS3's.

About FLAC. M2TS does not support FLAC and thus you will have to use the MKV container. Unfortunately MKV files are not natively supported on the PS3 and you will have to transcode, which is exactly what we don't want to do.

I've finally settled on a good solution for converting VC-1 to H264 with no perceivable loss in quality. I will update the guide soon, but essentially I use a program called BD_Rebuilder to reencode the movie to H264. Typical movie sizes can range from around 20-40GB depending on the movie length. The audio tracks are typically 5-10GB.
post #23 of 49
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Originally Posted by sanne View Post

Unfortunately MKV files are not natively supported on the PS3 and you will have to transcode, which is exactly what we don't want to do.

Oh, MKV with LPCM doesn't get transcoded by PS3 Media Server. PS3 reads it just fine. PS3 Media Server will just correct the header so PS3 can read it but it won't transcode if the video is H.264 and audio is LPCM. Just FYI.

Why I prefer MKV+LPCM or MKV+AC3 is because Xbox 360 Media Center will also play it thanks to the DIVx Project Remoulade which allows MKVs through Windows 7 to Xbox 360 extender.

This being said, it's still best to make M2TS files because Xbox 360 will read them as AVCHD streams and PS3 will read them natively. I personally prefer using PS3 Media Server on PS3 because it allows me to add covers and so on and you can tell it not to transcode your files (even if it's MKV).
post #24 of 49
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Originally Posted by Bozster View Post

Oh, MKV with LPCM doesn't get transcoded by PS3 Media Server. PS3 reads it just fine. PS3 Media Server will just correct the header so PS3 can read it but it won't transcode if the video is H.264 and audio is LPCM. Just FYI.

That was my understanding as well, although I haven't actually tried it yet.

Getting back to FLAC, any idea how much space is actually saved by using FLAC compression for multi channel audio? Anyone know how efficient it actually is for multichannel?

Also, just for confirmation, if you have already converted the audio track to multichannel PCM, will the PS3 accept 7.1 PCM through PS3MS, or will it only work with 5.1? Common sense says that 7.1 should work fine, but the silly hurtles that are put in place for streaming is anything but common sense.

-Suntan
post #25 of 49
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Originally Posted by Ratnose86 View Post

Or you could just put the bluray in the PS3........................

Classic!

post #26 of 49
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Originally Posted by Suntan View Post

Getting back to FLAC, any idea how much space is actually saved by using FLAC compression for multi channel audio? Anyone know how efficient it actually is for multichannel?

Should be about the same as DTH/DTS MA which are usually 1.4-2Mbps for 16bit and 3-4Mbps for 24bit.
post #27 of 49
Now the big problem: Storing them with any kind of redundancy

DVD's are easy and can be done with large banks of 2 TB USB drives and TVersity... but BR's are a different beast.
post #28 of 49
You should also note that even though people can install Arcsoft Total Media Theater, the issue they will face is that they'll be missing the checkactivate.dll so EAC3TO will recognize it.

Tried to get a DTSHD MA track from Ice Age 3, this is what I got:

3: DTS Master Audio, English, 7.1 (strange setup) channels, 24 bits, 48khz
(core: DTS-ES, 5.1 channels, 24 bits, 1509kbps, 48khz)

[a03] The ArcSoft and Sonic decoders don't seem to work, will use libav instead.
[a03] The libav DTS decoder doesn't decode the full DTS-HD information.
[v02] Extracting video track number 2...
[a03] Extracting audio track number 3...
[a03] Extracting DTS core...

are you saying even with a trial version that I can't do it, or did eac3to just somehow fail to apply the decoding?

Another question if you don't mind. It streams with no problems to my downstairs setup (reciever, speakers, full set-up audio wise), but upstairs going to a tv I don't get full range. I'm obviously missing out on 3.1 channels, how can I extract this and get two channel support while also getting full range for downstairs. It's played on a ps3 media server, converted in eac3to to pcm, only one english track on movie (MA plus core).

Your help is much appreciated, thanks also to the op.
post #29 of 49
I'm gettin this error when running eac3to: 'This audio conversion is not supported'

Using Windows 7

Any ideas?

post #30 of 49
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Originally Posted by Ratnose86 View Post

Or you could just put the bluray in the PS3........................

that is, word for word, the exact same thing i was going to post. awesome.

although, it is a lot of work. opening the case, taking out the disc ...not to mention you'd have to walk from the couch to the media area. i get dizzy just thinking about that sort of effort. /sarcasm
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