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post #241 of 308
I just received the MB 10000 from Dell and found in the box:

S-Fit 150 Surround Speakers
Subsonic Subwoofer
BD 37 Sound Bar

I believe the subwoofer is the only correct part of the MB 10000. Is that right?

Does anyone know if the BD 37 Bar is better or worse than the QP-9 that should have come with this kit?

Thanks!
post #242 of 308
Would the S-FIT Mon450 be sufficient for a 2.0 setup in the living room?

I recently got an AVR and would like to have 2 speakers for movies/music/tv
post #243 of 308
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Originally Posted by mgproudfit View Post

If you're debating getting these speakers or not, go ahead and purchase them. They sound simply outstanding.

Longer review forthcoming.

-Matt

Ok, so I've had these speakers for ~2 years now and figure they've finally had time to break-in and get enough use on them for their true sound to come out. For movies, this 5.1 setup is sufficient, but not outstanding. For the money I paid (on special through Dell.com), they are a very good purchase. For their "MSRP" price, I wouldn't touch 'em. The packaging, construction, appearance all get high praise from me with no complaints. As aforementioned, the sound for movies (blu-ray through PS3 + Denon AVR-1610) is very good, although the sub gets out of it's element during high-action scenes (Master and Commander, I Robot for example) and almost sounds blown at times. 85% of the time they sound good.

My biggest complaint, hands down, is how awful they are with music. While listening to John Mayer Where the Light Is blu-ray, the speakers get severely distorted sounding on high-notes and extended acoustic guitar solos. This was very disheartening as I listen to these concerts with great regularity. Furthermore, the sound on the Dave Matthews + Tim Reynolds blu-ray was also sub-par for the duration of the concert with the same deficiencies as the John Mayer concert. In short, these speakers are less than ideal for a music listener, and OK for a movie viewer. My room is not large, so the volume is not out of the norm. If I had to do it again, I would not purchase these speakers.

Sorry for bumping an old thread. I partly forgot to review them initially, but Im glad as I can now give a true review after a lot of time to listen.

-Matt
post #244 of 308
How does the Pinnacle Bar None 950 sound? Is it worth it for just under $300?
post #245 of 308
Hi, I've just brought an MB8000 set from Dell.ca, and after reading this thread, I decided to verify if I have received the correct speakers.

They have sent PS Sub 8-300 (retail 350$) in my package... and others peoples here seem to have received Subcompact 8.

Is it equivalent or I was screwed by Dell or pinnacle?

And where can I see what should really included MB8000 package detailed?

Thanx!
post #246 of 308
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Originally Posted by koolfreak View Post

Hi, I've just brought an MB8000 set from Dell.ca, and after reading this thread, I decided to verify if I have received the correct speakers.

They have sent PS Sub 8-300 (retail 350$) in my package... and others peoples here seem to have received Subcompact 8.

Is it equivalent or I was screwed by Dell or pinnacle?

And where can I see what should really included MB8000 package detailed?

Thanx!

http://www.pinnaclespeakers.com/mb8000.html

This set is ok, but not great. For casual movies/music, theyll be just fine.

-Matt
post #247 of 308
Hi all,

I'm still a little confused over some of this Dell - Pinnacle stuff. Right now there seem to be 4 systems on sale at the website. Two of them, the MB6000 and MB8000 have been discussed at length here, but there is another (http:// accessories.dell.com/sna/products/Accessories/productdetail.aspx?c=ca&l=en&s=dhs&cs=cadhs1&sku=A5471950&baynote_bnrank=4&baynote_irrank=0&~ck=baynoteSearch) that I'm having trouble identifying.

With such a generic name, I have no idea what this package actually includes. Does anyone have any ideas? As far as I can tell, the Pinnacle website claims there are no 500W systems available.
post #248 of 308
Just picked up a pair of mint Classic Gold Aerogels from the original owner. Wow, these are truly amazing, I knew nothing of Pinnacle until I found these gems, they are 10 years old but you wouldn't know it. Truly a full range speaker, low frequency extension is incredible!!! These things are monoliths and built like a tank. I wish I could hear some of Pinnacle's new offerings but it seems they don't have many dealers. I'll have to keep an eye out for the Classic Gold CC for a matching setup
post #249 of 308
Hi guys,

Would really appreciate some help with this. I'm finally replacing an old Onkyo HTIB system that I've had for 10 years or so, and I have an opportunity to get some amazing pricing on some Pinnacle speakers. I currently have a Denon AVR 1908 receiver.

I'm looking at the following 5.1 Setup:
-BD1100 Tower Speakers x 2
-BD600 Center
-BD100 Satellite Speakers x 2
-BabyBoomer Sub
http://www.pinnaclespeakers.com/bdseriesii.html

I live in an apartment and the living room is only 12x16x8, although I would prefer to get something that I won't have to immediately replace once I move into a house. Also this setup would be used almost exclusively for movies.

I have a few questions:
-Is the BD600 or BabyBoomer overkill? I really want clear, powerful voices out of my center, and strong bass, but if the BD300 and one of the cheaper subs would work fine, then I'll just go with that

-Considering the rest of the setup, do I need better surrounds than the entry-level BD100, or should I just focus on the fronts/center/sub?

Thanks in advance!
post #250 of 308
Well I just got roped into this MB10000 "deal" on Dell.com. They've pulled yet another fast one with this system, downgrading it once again. Mine came with:

-SUBSONIC SUBWOOFER (Love it)
-BAR NONE SF950 (Not the higher quality QP9 people used to get with the MB10000 system, but I knew this going in)
-MB2000 SATELLITES (These are absolute pieces of CRAP and aren't even listed anywhere on Pinnacle's website! They are crappy plastic and don't match the other speakers in the set. The tweeters are tiny and cheap. I called Dell and complained and was offered a measly $25 to keep them. If you thought the S-FIT 150 satellites were bad, just wait until you get a load of these!)

So lets review what they've done with this system over the past two years: They've shipped out progressively cheaper and cheaper speakers while keeping the name of the system (MB10000) the same. That in and of itself is extremely misleading, as potential buyers will read old reviews before purchasing the system not knowing that all of the speakers other than the sub have since been swapped out for cheaper ones! And while they've swapped everything out for cheaper speakers, they've also upped the price (sale price for this system used to be $299, now it's $369).

I left a one-star review on Dell.com last week alerting potential customers to what's going on with this system, and it still hasn't been posted to the site! So it appears they've also got censorship going on with their user reviews. This is the first time I've ever purchased anything from Dell, and it will also be my last. I'm not happy.
post #251 of 308
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Originally Posted by haxx777 View Post

Hi guys,

Would really appreciate some help with this. I'm finally replacing an old Onkyo HTIB system that I've had for 10 years or so, and I have an opportunity to get some amazing pricing on some Pinnacle speakers. I currently have a Denon AVR 1908 receiver.

I'm looking at the following 5.1 Setup:
-BD1100 Tower Speakers x 2
-BD600 Center
-BD100 Satellite Speakers x 2
-BabyBoomer Sub
http://www.pinnaclespeakers.com/bdseriesii.html

I live in an apartment and the living room is only 12x16x8, although I would prefer to get something that I won't have to immediately replace once I move into a house. Also this setup would be used almost exclusively for movies.

I have a few questions:
-Is the BD600 or BabyBoomer overkill? I really want clear, powerful voices out of my center, and strong bass, but if the BD300 and one of the cheaper subs would work fine, then I'll just go with that

-Considering the rest of the setup, do I need better surrounds than the entry-level BD100, or should I just focus on the fronts/center/sub?

Thanks in advance![/quote

]It's probably WAY too late to answer your question (sorry, just stumbled onto this tread). The proposed setup is fine and the BD 100 for surrounds will work just fine (you can set the XO's in your AVR appropriately for each set of speaker and the center). Nice selection by the way. As for the BabyBoomer being overkill, well, I would argue the other way and say you really need a bigger sub. But, then funding comes into play as the price does go up. You can also look at other subs from SVS, HSU, Emotiva, etc. There are lots of choices and the sub does not need to be the same brand as the rest of the speakers IMO.
post #252 of 308
I just wanted to come on here and post an update with my Pinnacle MB10000 debacle. I am now 100% convinced that Pinnacle is a scam company. After contacting Dell about receiving the wrong speakers, I was told to contact Pinnacle. Dell never did publish my one-star review of this system, btw. So I called Pinnacle and told the lady who answers their phone the situation. She claimed I needed to speak with someone from their sales department, but "that line was busy." So she took down my name and number and said she'd have someone call me back. No one ever called. So I called AGAIN. Same lady, same excuse--"the sales department is busy, let me take a message and have them call you back." 72 hours went by, and no call back. Now I'm getting f'ing pissed. So now I call and pretend I'm interested in making a purchase. Surely she'll put me right through, right? Wrong. This time she didn't even PRETEND to call the sales department--she just automatically told me their line is busy! So I ask for their direct number. She says she cannot give it to me. WHY THE HELL NOT!? What kind of company doesn't want you calling their SALES department? You know, the department that takes in all the money? Well apparently Pinnacle! I eventually lose my cool with the bitch and tell her she's been feeding me the same lie for four days now, and that there's no way the sales department has been busy non-stop for four days without a single chance to call me back. She hangs up on me. Today is Friday, and if I don't receive a callback by the end of the day (which I guarantee I won't), I'm filing a complaint with the BBB.

As you can see from the picture, the MB1000 was supposed to come with the QP9 center and QP2 surrounds. That is further confirmed by the reviews. This is NOT what they're shipping out! http://reviews.dell.com/2341n/A3319355/pinnacle-speakers-700-watt-mb10000-audiophile-5-1-speaker-system-reviews/reviews.htm

BEWARE!!!
post #253 of 308
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Originally Posted by papatoony View Post

I just wanted to come on here and post an update with my Pinnacle MB10000 debacle. I am now 100% convinced that Pinnacle is a scam company. After contacting Dell about receiving the wrong speakers, I was told to contact Pinnacle. Dell never did publish my one-star review of this system, btw. So I called Pinnacle and told the lady who answers their phone the situation. She claimed I needed to speak with someone from their sales department, but "that line was busy." So she took down my name and number and said she'd have someone call me back. No one ever called. So I called AGAIN. Same lady, same excuse--"the sales department is busy, let me take a message and have them call you back." 72 hours went by, and no call back. Now I'm getting f'ing pissed. So now I call and pretend I'm interested in making a purchase. Surely she'll put me right through, right? Wrong. This time she didn't even PRETEND to call the sales department--she just automatically told me their line is busy! So I ask for their direct number. She says she cannot give it to me. WHY THE HELL NOT!? What kind of company doesn't want you calling their SALES department? You know, the department that takes in all the money? Well apparently Pinnacle! I eventually lose my cool with the bitch and tell her she's been feeding me the same lie for four days now, and that there's no way the sales department has been busy non-stop for four days without a single chance to call me back. She hangs up on me. Today is Friday, and if I don't receive a callback by the end of the day (which I guarantee I won't), I'm filing a complaint with the BBB.

As you can see from the picture, the MB1000 was supposed to come with the QP9 center and QP2 surrounds. That is further confirmed by the reviews. This is NOT what they're shipping out! http://reviews.dell.com/2341n/A3319355/pinnacle-speakers-700-watt-mb10000-audiophile-5-1-speaker-system-reviews/reviews.htm

BEWARE!!!



So did they ever contact you?
Edited by comfynumb - 3/4/13 at 5:09am
post #254 of 308
I would say Dell is responsible for the sale, even if they don't ship them to you, your transaction was through them. I'd go back to dell, let them know you want a refund and you'll return your purchase. Woot has a couple of these systems and individual pieces right now as another avenue.
post #255 of 308
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Originally Posted by papatoony View Post

...... So I called Pinnacle and told the lady who answers their phone the situation. She claimed I needed to speak with someone from their sales department, but "that line was busy." So she took down my name and number and said she'd have someone call me back. No one ever called. So I called AGAIN. Same lady, same excuse--"the sales department is busy, let me take a message and have them call you back." 72 hours went by, and no call back. Now I'm getting f'ing pissed. So now I call and pretend I'm interested in making a purchase. Surely she'll put me right through, right? Wrong. This time she didn't even PRETEND to call the sales department--she just automatically told me their line is busy! So I ask for their direct number. She says she cannot give it to me. WHY THE HELL NOT!? What kind of company doesn't want you calling their SALES department? You know, the department that takes in all the money?.....

Got EXACTLY the same treatment, the same run around as you described a few days ago and all I wanted was for someone whose knowledgeable to field my questions. Easy peasy, eh? No one from sales ever called back after I left my name and phone #. I finally gave up.

Looks like nothing's changed.

John
post #256 of 308
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Originally Posted by John Frank View Post

Got EXACTLY the same treatment, the same run around as you described a few days ago and all I wanted was for someone whose knowledgeable to field my questions. Easy peasy, eh? No one from sales ever called back after I left my name and phone #. I finally gave up.

Looks like nothing's changed.

John



Hi, that's really sad and bad business. Thankfully I've never had a problem with my Pinnacles but if I did, I'd hound them until I got a call back. If they had a Facebook page I'd hound them there to if need be. Bad customer service is the pits when you've spent your hard earned cash and encounter a problem.
post #257 of 308
I was thinking about getting 5 of the Pinnacle BD 200 for LCR and rear surround http://www.pinnaclespeakers.com/bd200_ii.html I can get em for a good price and I wanted to get an idea. It's for a living room, mostly TV/ video games, my fiancee watches Lifetime Movie Network. I mostly watch Cleveland Browns:(, I also just picked up an XBOX One.
post #258 of 308
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Originally Posted by blueyzfr6 View Post

I was thinking about getting 5 of the Pinnacle BD 200 for LCR and rear surround http://www.pinnaclespeakers.com/bd200_ii.html I can get em for a good price and I wanted to get an idea. It's for a living room, mostly TV/ video games, my fiancee watches Lifetime Movie Network. I mostly watch Cleveland Browns:(, I also just picked up an XBOX One.



They look like a nice speaker. What AVR do you have to drive them?
post #259 of 308
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

They look like a nice speaker. What AVR do you have to drive them?

Nothing yet, I'm still looking for a receiver. Or I was looking at http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/Home-Theater-Systems/Speaker-Packages/SP-PK52FS
post #260 of 308
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Originally Posted by blueyzfr6 View Post

Nothing yet, I'm still looking for a receiver. Or I was looking at http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/Home-Theater-Systems/Speaker-Packages/SP-PK52FS



They look pretty nice for the money.
post #261 of 308
post #262 of 308
That looks very nice. If you can swing one with Audyssey it would be worth it.
post #263 of 308
+1 for getting an AVR with Audyssey (Denon, Onkyo, Integra).

The Pioneer speaker package will give you more sound for the money and comes with a sub. With the Pinnacle speakers, you still need a sub. As far as looks are concerned, the Pinnacles have a nice mirrored black lacquer finish and the Pioneers are not going to win any beauty pageants (but again, will give you more sound for the buck)
post #264 of 308
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Originally Posted by papatoony View Post

I just wanted to come on here and post an update with my Pinnacle MB10000 debacle. I am now 100% convinced that Pinnacle is a scam company. After contacting Dell about receiving the wrong speakers, I was told to contact Pinnacle. Dell never did publish my one-star review of this system, btw. So I called Pinnacle and told the lady who answers their phone the situation. She claimed I needed to speak with someone from their sales department, but "that line was busy." So she took down my name and number and said she'd have someone call me back. No one ever called. So I called AGAIN. Same lady, same excuse--"the sales department is busy, let me take a message and have them call you back." 72 hours went by, and no call back. Now I'm getting f'ing pissed. So now I call and pretend I'm interested in making a purchase. Surely she'll put me right through, right? Wrong. This time she didn't even PRETEND to call the sales department--she just automatically told me their line is busy! So I ask for their direct number. She says she cannot give it to me. WHY THE HELL NOT!? What kind of company doesn't want you calling their SALES department? You know, the department that takes in all the money? Well apparently Pinnacle! I eventually lose my cool with the bitch and tell her she's been feeding me the same lie for four days now, and that there's no way the sales department has been busy non-stop for four days without a single chance to call me back. She hangs up on me. Today is Friday, and if I don't receive a callback by the end of the day (which I guarantee I won't), I'm filing a complaint with the BBB.

As you can see from the picture, the MB1000 was supposed to come with the QP9 center and QP2 surrounds. That is further confirmed by the reviews. This is NOT what they're shipping out! http://reviews.dell.com/2341n/A3319355/pinnacle-speakers-700-watt-mb10000-audiophile-5-1-speaker-system-reviews/reviews.htm

BEWARE!!!

I know this is an older post, but I'm guessing there was some mix up between Pinnacle and Dell, as both Dell and Pinnacle websites now show pics of the system that you received, in the link that you posted above. For whatever reason, the former MB10000 system that included the QP 9 and QP 2 speakers no longer exists. It's almost as if Pinnacle updated their product line, but didn't change the model number of the package itself. Call it MB11000 or something, but to repackage different components as part of an existing package model number is just plain WRONG.

Here, the QP speakers are listed as part of the "Quantum Series" in archived designs, but no mention of the old MB10000 revision:
http://www.pinnaclespeakers.com/archived.html

Shady. I was fortunate to receive the QP-9 and QP-2 when I ordered mine almost 3 years ago. I had some overheating problems with the amp on the MB 6.5" subwoofer , and tried to contact Pinnacle for a return. This is what I received:

"I agree that it does sound as though the subwoofer is going into a thermal protect mode. This is normal for this subwoofer. In order for a small sub like this to perform so well it requires a great amount of amplifier power which unfortunately has the byproduct of heat. Please try to recreate the situation again and when the unit shuts down again carefully feel of the heat sink fins on the subwoofer. If they are very hot to the touch then the unit is working normally and protecting itself from damage. I suspect that the subwoofer is probably being driven beyond its intended use. You can rectify this by using a small fan to cool the heat sink fins. If the fins are only warm when it shuts off then it would seem that something wrong with the amplifier in that unit and we can repair or replace it under warranty. You can send us the whole thing or remove the amplifier portion and return only that to us if you like."

To get service go to our product support page and follow the instructions there.

Thank you,
Collin Black
Pinnacle Speakers
Service Department
131 Main Street
Hatfield, MA 01038
413.247.3231

Collin Black

Hopefully the contact info I posted will help someone out!
post #265 of 308
I was reading this thread to see other experiences with pinnacle speakers. I received the qp9 as a gift from my sister who thought she was purchasing me a "sound bar". She got a great deal for this speaker bar on woot.com and there's really no way of just returning in there anyway so of course this gives me all the motivation needed to upset the spouse and upgrade the family room HT. I run out and get a marantz nr1403 on sale.. the qp9 sounds great...I add my surrounds, some old klh bookshelfs I've had sitting around forever. I need a sub so I take a look at woot.com and hey they're having a pinnacle speaker sale. I pick up their ps225 sub cause it had decent reviews and seemed like a steal for the price at 130$ shipped. The moment I plug this thing in the caps explode on the amp and smoke rolls out of the port tube!! I'm in shock...there's goes my money right? I email woot which I've learned is basically pointless... at the same time I email pinnacles support directly and post to the discussion forum on woot which was being moderated by a member of pinnacle. The person on the forum assured me he would contact me off forum and arrange an exchange..a couple days passed when Collin Black replied to my original email to pinnacle support. They sent me a shipping label and asked me to remove the plate amp, box it up and send it in for repair. I'm still eagarly awaiting the return of the fixed amp... I can't imagine my power would have caused this since I have other equipment hooked up to the same outlet with no issues. However I'm not using any power conditioners upstairs.... so far I'm pleased with the response and service I've received from pinnacle. I'll update once I get the amp back and sub running. Overall this is my first experience with pinnacle and I'm happy with the qp9 so far it sounds great for what it is. As far as future pinnacle purchases it will depend on how pleased I am with this sub when it gets back. One oddity I noticed after I pulled the trigger on buying it was that there is no power switch on the p225 sub.... its just on if its plugged in...huh?
post #266 of 308
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Originally Posted by Mrbaduchi

Posting this on this thread as well as it applies also:
I was reading this thread to see other experiences with pinnacle speakers. I received the qp9 as a gift from my sister who thought she was purchasing me a "sound bar". She got a great deal for this speaker bar on woot.com and there's really no way of just returning in there anyway so of course this gives me all the motivation needed to upset the spouse and upgrade the family room HT. I run out and get a marantz nr1403 on sale.. the qp9 sounds great...I add my surrounds, some old klh bookshelfs I've had sitting around forever. I need a sub so I take a look at woot.com and hey they're having a pinnacle speaker sale. I pick up their ps225 sub cause it had decent reviews and seemed like a steal for the price at 130$ shipped. The moment I plug this thing in the caps explode on the amp and smoke rolls out of the port tube!! I'm in shock...there's goes my money right? I email woot which I've learned is basically pointless... at the same time I email pinnacles support directly and post to the discussion forum on woot which was being moderated by a member of pinnacle. The person on the forum assured me he would contact me off forum and arrange an exchange..a couple days passed when Collin Black replied to my original email to pinnacle support. They sent me a shipping label and asked me to remove the plate amp, box it up and send it in for repair. I'm still eagarly awaiting the return of the fixed amp... I can't imagine my power would have caused this since I have other equipment hooked up to the same outlet with no issues. However I'm not using any power conditioners upstairs.... so far I'm pleased with the response and service I've received from pinnacle. I'll update once I get the amp back and sub running. Overall this is my first experience with pinnacle and I'm happy with the qp9 so far it sounds great for what it is. As far as future pinnacle purchases it will depend on how pleased I am with this sub when it gets back. One oddity I noticed after I pulled the trigger on buying it was that there is no power switch on the p225 sub.... its just on if its plugged in...huh?



I hope this all works out for you. It probably turns on automatically once it gets a signal from your amp over the RCA cable. So if it doesn't turn right on at first turn up the volume a little. Good luck.
post #267 of 308
Sound and Vision just had a nice review of Pinnacle's new Black Diamond series (BD II). I am a fan of Pinnacle Speakers (I have their S-Fit 1050 towers and 350 center) and was happy to see them getting a review in a national publication. I was however, a little disappointed in quality of the review; it seemed too short of a review without giving much detail on the speakers especially for a product being awarded Sound & Vision's "Top Pick".

I wish that Pinnacle had sent the reviewer their SuperSonic sub and not their SubSonic though.
post #268 of 308
I've
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Originally Posted by pieper53 View Post

Sound and Vision just had a nice review of Pinnacle's new Black Diamond series (BD II). I am a fan of Pinnacle Speakers (I have their S-Fit 1050 towers and 350 center) and was happy to see them getting a review in a national publication. I was however, a little disappointed in quality of the review; it seemed too short of a review without giving much detail on the speakers especially for a product being awarded Sound & Vision's "Top Pick".

I wish that Pinnacle had sent the reviewer their SuperSonic sub and not their SubSonic though.



I'm glad to hear something positive about them. I like my BD-650's and have sounded good since they first came out. I'll have to look up that review, thanks for the heads up.
Edited by comfynumb - 1/16/14 at 1:14pm
post #269 of 308
So I've had the pinnacle ps225 sub in operation for a couple days..I had it hooked up solely to an mp800 surge protector/"power cleaner" its been performing fine but during some extended lows I noticed a clicking sound from the surge protector. This happened off and on a couple of times but then when I powered it on last night I noticed the protection led was out.... it seems the sub burned it out? I've never had anything like this happen before...is this normal? The mp800 surge pro has been in operation for a few years on a computer system prior to this..do they just get old or could the subs amp been pulling too much power and burned it out. There never seemed to be any interupption in power during the clicking. This sub also makes noise everytime its turned on/plugged in and when it powers off seems like the caps take a moment to discharge and the speakers makes a liitle pop when the power light fades. Just never experienced anything of this nature...
post #270 of 308
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Originally Posted by Mrbaduchi View Post

So I've had the pinnacle ps225 sub in operation for a couple days..I had it hooked up solely to an mp800 surge protector/"power cleaner" its been performing fine but during some extended lows I noticed a clicking sound from the surge protector. This happened off and on a couple of times but then when I powered it on last night I noticed the protection led was out.... it seems the sub burned it out? I've never had anything like this happen before...is this normal? The mp800 surge pro has been in operation for a few years on a computer system prior to this..do they just get old or could the subs amp been pulling too much power and burned it out. There never seemed to be any interupption in power during the clicking. This sub also makes noise everytime its turned on/plugged in and when it powers off seems like the caps take a moment to discharge and the speakers makes a liitle pop when the power light fades. Just never experienced anything of this nature...



Hi I don't think the sub burned it out, more than likely the surge protector failed on its own and it's time for a new one. Does your sub act strange if plugged directly into the wall?
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