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post #271 of 765
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Originally Posted by Michaelmorio View Post

Hello 5007 Owerners,

I posted this question in the 3007 thread but I haven't received any response for about one day and now decided to bring it over here.

I would like to know how well the Reon chip on the 5007 performs. I remember when Onkyo first adopted the Reon chip on the 875/905 line products, the performance wasn't so exciting. Remeber around that time there was the Toshiba XA-2 HD player with the same Reon chip and got rave reviews. So in comparison to it the Onkyo did poor job with the same stuff. I heard it got better on the 876/906 line products. But may be it was just an incremental improvement. Then now we have the 3007/5007 line products with the Reon chip. How does this generation compare to the previous one (876/906)? I would like to know how it performs on regular DVD, Blue-ray and over the air TV broadcasting. Thank you for your input here.

Michaelmorio

Coming from a 876, I think the Reon is better now.
A nice new feature is the conversion to 1080p24fps for HDMI sources.
post #272 of 765
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Originally Posted by Adamg (Ret-Navy) View Post

Fellow TX-NR1007, 3007 and 5007 Onkyo owners,

Just got off the phone with Bob from Onkyo. Seems like I am the first person to complain about the audio/video dropouts and possible handshake issues to their web site. They don't and won't read outside forums or sources. So they are completely unaware that many people are having the same issues. They want to look into this problem, but according to them I am the only one who has submitted a complaint about it.

What we need is for everyone who is having this problem to go to the Onkyo site and report your issues with the units. This will get more attention and should lead to a firmware fix that all of us will benefit from.

Please go to the web page and fill in the forms and submit your complaint:

http://www.onkyousa.com/feedback_form.cfm

Thanks in advance for your cooperation in this effort.


I initially went through the Onkyo website procedure with all my issues. They Never responded. I went to Tech suupport on the phone and CSR. All I got is if you keep having issues return the unit or send it to the regional repair service. I never got any real tech help or suggestions from them. I did get help from the service center and have had only had one issue since. I hope my problems are not returning. I never did get any response from the site.
post #273 of 765
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Originally Posted by rickardl View Post

Coming from a 876, I think the Reon is better now.
A nice new feature is the conversion to 1080p24fps for HDMI sources.


richardl and Adamg,

Thank you for your feedback.
Do you think it's an improvemnt from previous models? I heard the Reon chip is by its nature limted or ineffective in making HD sources look better. I am particularly interestend in this point. Could you care to elaborate on this? Thank you.

Michaelmorio
post #274 of 765
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Originally Posted by Michaelmorio View Post

richardl and Adamg,

Thank you for your feedback.
Do you think it's an improvemnt from previous models? I heard the Reon chip is by its nature limted or ineffective in making HD sources look better. I am particularly interestend in this point. Could you care to elaborate on this? Thank you.

Michaelmorio

Better, yes. How much? Don't know.
Don't have any native HD sources to look better, only upscaled ones.
Main benefit is upscaling SD, not sure HD "cleaning" should be necessary.
post #275 of 765
Thread Starter 
here is the response........... shifting blame..........


"Thank You for contacting Onkyo USA Product Support.

Have you checked with panaconic, for any updates for there monitor, i no they are doing updates to some of there tvs, but also we have "Direct-tv, and PS-3" in the test lab, we have not had any problems with them so far.
david, "


mind you I told him I tried two brands of tv's and BOTH resulted in the same results. yep must be the tv's
post #276 of 765
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Originally Posted by Suzook View Post

here is the response........... shifting blame..........


"Thank You for contacting Onkyo USA Product Support.

Have you checked with panaconic, for any updates for there monitor, i no they are doing updates to some of there tvs, but also we have "Direct-tv, and PS-3" in the test lab, we have not had any problems with them so far.
david, "


mind you I told him I tried two brands of tv's and BOTH resulted in the same results. yep must be the tv's

Seems no one is going to accept responsability for the defects in this technology. Especially when there are so many inconsistancies. Also they do not listen completely, they only hear what they want to. We pay fairly big buck on these units and should expect them to work as advertised. Mabey it will take some major legal action to wake them up.
post #277 of 765
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Originally Posted by william06 View Post

Seems no one is going to accept responsability for the defects in this technology. Especially when there are so many inconsistancies. Also they do not listen completely, they only hear what they want to. We pay fairly big buck on these units and should expect them to work as advertised. Mabey it will take some major legal action to wake them up.

How many of the owner of the 5007 have this problem? Does this problem apply to the 3007/1007 models too?

Michaelmorio
post #278 of 765
Is a firmware updated 905 the same as a 5007 -2 channels?
post #279 of 765
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Originally Posted by Michaelmorio View Post

How many of the owner of the 5007 have this problem? Does this problem apply to the 3007/1007 models too?

Michaelmorio

There seems to be problems scattered through the different 0007 threads of varying degrees. I really do not want to bust on these units they are basically tremendous performers and a great value. Just when you have issues the Onkyo people do not want to acknowledge them they act as if every report is the first one and seem to care less in fact they act like you are insulting them. Yet the service centers are more aware and responsive. I have yet to have a response from the on line program.
post #280 of 765
I was called again today by Bob Elder with the Product Support Team for Onkyo. I had previously reported here, they wanted to see my unit and had offered to pay for shipping both ways. They estimated a 7-15 business day turnaround. I said not interested in losing my unit for a possible 20 or more days. I thought that was the end of it.

Well, today they called again and really want my unit. They offered to send me a new 5007 upon receipt of my unit. They offered to send me a prepaid box to ship my unit in.

So, it would seem that possibly we have gotten their attention. They have been testing a unit in house, but after two days of testing it has not exhibited the same problems. They are using a Direct TV hookup.

Please keep posting your problems at the Onkyo web site. Report them in writing. Even if you have previously called. It is working and may lead to a solution that will benefit us all.

Thanks again.

I will report back on and progress they give me.
post #281 of 765
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Originally Posted by rickardl View Post

Better, yes. How much? Don't know.
Don't have any native HD sources to look better, only upscaled ones.
Main benefit is upscaling SD, not sure HD "cleaning" should be necessary.

Ricahrdl,

I have a TiVo and watch over the air HD channels. Some look clearer than others. I know the distance from broadcasting antenas makes difference as well as my antena. I wonder if the Reon chip helps picture look nicer.

Michaelmorio
post #282 of 765
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Originally Posted by william06 View Post

There seems to be problems scattered through the different 0007 threads of varying degrees. I really do not want to bust on these units they are basically tremendous performers and a great value. Just when you have issues the Onkyo people do not want to acknowledge them they act as if every report is the first one and seem to care less in fact they act like you are insulting them. Yet the service centers are more aware and responsive. I have yet to have a response from the on line program.

William06,

I am thinking of buying the 3007 and it kind makes me feel scared.

Michaelmorio
post #283 of 765
I personally have not had any issues with audio drop-outs. I am using a DirecTV HD-DVR and the Oppo blu-ray player. HDMI is a nasty technology; however it looks like we are stuck with it. If any of you are having issues with audio over HDMI on Sat/Cable boxes, I would just use optical connection. There's nothing (that I am aware of) from Sat/Cable that can benefit from audio over HDMI.
post #284 of 765
Thread Starter 
Ok the clicking with source changes is DRIVING ME NUTS now... Program in DD then goes to commercial in PLII CLICK. Then back to DD....CLICK.

And now, I am getting audio drop outs for a split second which means even more clicks.

I am already OVER it.


in a hour long show, I have 16 clicks and drop outs of audio.

ONKYO fix this is I am selling this receiver
post #285 of 765
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Originally Posted by Michaelmorio View Post

William06,

I am thinking of buying the 3007 and it kind makes me feel scared.

Michaelmorio

I really like the unit basically but the problems some of us would now make me cautious if I were in the process of looking at these. Some have no issues and some have.
post #286 of 765
Well those of you who follow this thread know I had an issue of my audio not comming on after the receiver was off for some time. I had to turn it off and back on again to get audio. No reas help at all when I wrote on the site to onkyo. And they actied like I was insane when I spoke to them. After I spoke to the local regional service center it was discused as an issue with the cable box and incompatability with HDMI and I switche to that one connection to component and optical. Sure enough all was well. Yesterday I listened to my Elite SACD over HDMI turned it off and after dinner no audio. Same problem. Last night I watched a film on Elite 23fd turned off went to bed this morning No audio till I turned it off and switched to cable. So the issue is on All HDMI connections ready to toss this piiece of garbage. I guess I will talk to onkyo again and get the take it in for service again. 6 weeks and I get no piece of mind or can relax with this unit. Also starting to get more drop outs again I have gotten used to the clicking. The clicking means it is working no clicks no sound.

I also went to the onkyo site and filled out another report. I still have had no feedback from the last one.
post #287 of 765
Thread Starter 
Don't worry William, Onkyo will categorically deny there is anything wrong with your new and expensive receiver
post #288 of 765
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Originally Posted by william06 View Post

Well those of you who follow this thread know I had an issue of my audio not comming on after the receiver was off for some time. I had to turn it off and back on again to get audio. No reas help at all when I wrote on the site to onkyo. And they actied like I was insane when I spoke to them. After I spoke to the local regional service center it was discused as an issue with the cable box and incompatability with HDMI and I switche to that one connection to component and optical. Sure enough all was well. Yesterday I listened to my Elite SACD over HDMI turned it off and after dinner no audio. Same problem. Last night I watched a film on Elite 23fd turned off went to bed this morning No audio till I turned it off and switched to cable. So the issue is on All HDMI connections ready to toss this piiece of garbage. I guess I will talk to onkyo again and get the take it in for service again. 6 weeks and I get no piece of mind or can relax with this unit. Also starting to get more drop outs again I have gotten used to the clicking. The clicking means it is working no clicks no sound.

I also went to the onkyo site and filled out another report. I still have had no feedback from the last one.

Will the dealer you bought it from help you out.
post #289 of 765
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Originally Posted by oztech View Post

Will the dealer you bought it from help you out.

no past return date, I have a feeling this is going to go down hill from here. Yes your right about onkyo. Untill they get these problems solved I woudl reccomend as tempting as all the great features people stay away. For now, and all with issues become relentless in letting them know.
post #290 of 765
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Originally Posted by william06 View Post

no past return date, I have a feeling this is going to go down hill from here. Yes your right about onkyo. Untill they get these problems solved I woudl reccomend as tempting as all the great features people stay away. For now, and all with issues become relentless in letting them know.

mabey i will just buy an 805 to hold me over till hese issues are solved.
post #291 of 765
seems there a quite a few issues, i am deciding between the 3007 5007 and 4810 at the moment, bought a 807 about 1.5 months ago. hope for the issues to get resolved
post #292 of 765
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Originally Posted by Suzook View Post

Ok the clicking with source changes is DRIVING ME NUTS now... Program in DD then goes to commercial in PLII CLICK. Then back to DD....CLICK.

And now, I am getting audio drop outs for a split second which means even more clicks.

I am already OVER it.


in a hour long show, I have 16 clicks and drop outs of audio.

ONKYO fix this is I am selling this receiver

Suzook,

Have you tired going into the setup menu 5. Listening Mode Preset. and changing all the settings to last Valid? That will cut down on the clicking. The clicking is just the processor relays opening or closing different paths on the processor. Means your unit it working properly.

You will get used to it in time. In some circles it is a sign of high end processors.
post #293 of 765
Well, I decided to try the dual HDMI outputs, and now I am seeing video drop-outs. I am feeding both outputs to a Lumagen Vision HDP VP, and when both are active (in any mode) I get drop-outs. So it looks like I will stick with single HDMI out.
post #294 of 765
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Originally Posted by akopperl View Post

I also have had zero issues with blu-ray, DVD and audio streaming (squeezebox). I haven't watched many blu-rays, but I have listened to a lot of music. It's just odd because it only happens on certain shows. Also, normally I equate dropouts that would be the fault of the receiver as more random in nature (not repeatable if same passage is played back). However, I can replicate each "dropout" over and over. Therefore, I think either there must be something wrong with signal from the source or the 5007 is not handling something specific in the audio stream correctly (which should be correctable via a firmware update).

I've experienced this both with HDMI and optical with Dexter from a Dish Network VIP722K. When I listen via analog I hear a defect in the audio that sounds like a worn cassette tape. I think there is a problem in the audio stream definately that makes the 3007 that I'm using try to switch to PCM and then back to DD 5.1. I find it interesting that DTV people have the same problems with Dexter also.
post #295 of 765
I was looking at some of the good deals on the NR-906, which looks to have much the same specs of the 5007 except the two additional channels. Does anyone know if the firmware updates for a 906 bring the processing capabilities up to the ability of the 5007?
post #296 of 765
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Originally Posted by MikeS123 View Post

I was looking at some of the good deals on the NR-906, which looks to have much the same specs of the 5007 except the two additional channels. Does anyone know if the firmware updates for a 906 bring the processing capabilities up to the ability of the 5007?

I had the 906 and went to the 5007. When my 5007 worked, to my ears it sounded a little fuller and just over all a better sound stage. The internet radio feature is also awesome (pandora) and the .2 is a plus. OF course... who wouldn't want 9 possible speakers if they do the firmware update.
post #297 of 765
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Originally Posted by Dalumberjack View Post

I had the 906 and went to the 5007. When my 5007 worked, to my ears it sounded a little fuller and just over all a better sound stage. The internet radio feature is also awesome (pandora) and the .2 is a plus. OF course... who wouldn't want 9 possible speakers if they do the firmware update.

Hey guy have you got your 5007 back yet from service. I will be interested to see what they diagnose. Mine is now having further issues. When In the past I had my cable box into the 5007 via HDMI when I turned it off for some time and when I turned it back on no audio. I had to turn it off and on to get audio. Than a suggestion from service cent was it is the HDMI Cable Handshake issue. So it tried component and optical. All was fine. Until the other night watching BD than off and next AM no audio till i turned off and on. Same with elite sacd. Means it is not just cable handshake issues. Only other thing is I have both outputs via HDMI 1 sub to PJ one Main to rear proj dvi tv.
post #298 of 765
Thread Starter 
well follow up emails to Onkyo have gone unanswered. this includes offering a video showing the issues.

here we go again
post #299 of 765
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Originally Posted by william06 View Post

Hey guy have you got your 5007 back yet from service. I will be interested to see what they diagnose. Mine is now having further issues. When In the past I had my cable box into the 5007 via HDMI when I turned it off for some time and when I turned it back on no audio. I had to turn it off and on to get audio. Than a suggestion from service cent was it is the HDMI Cable Handshake issue. So it tried component and optical. All was fine. Until the other night watching BD than off and next AM no audio till i turned off and on. Same with elite sacd. Means it is not just cable handshake issues. Only other thing is I have both outputs via HDMI 1 sub to PJ one Main to rear proj dvi tv.

I'm going to call them this friday. They made it seem as its the amps not being triggered properly which would affec hdmi or any other connection. Ill hopefully have more info. I really hope ur issues are fixable. I don't want to do more research to find another receiver.

Sorry for all the problems everyone is having. Let's hope it works out for all of us.
post #300 of 765
I was doing some research to see how far and wide this problem may spread, to my surprise I find this posted on the Onkyo FAQ "Receivers" section. (Pasted directly from ONKYO FAQ page):

Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ's)

I am experiencing audio (Sound) dropouts when watching a Dolby Digital broadcast from my Satellite or Cable Box that is connected to my receiver with the digital optical or the coax connection.

We have been working with Dolby Laboratories on a repair for the Dolby Digital broadcast issue that occurs with digital cable systems as well as digital satellite broadcast. We are aware of the issues that have affected our receivers with the newer version of broadcast encoding that Dolby Laboratories has been using. We have since had success with a new version of chip set that we have installed in each of the receiver models that have been affected. The models that are found to have the problems are the TX-DS595, TX-DS696, TX-DS797 and the TX-DS898. If you own one of these units while using any form of Dolby Laboratories Digital broadcast and are experiencing the audio dropouts and would like to have the issue resolved, please check our website for your nearest authorized service location. Take the unit to them with your bill of sale, at that point please call us at 800-229-1687 and select option 2 for our product support team. We will assist having the unit repaired for you.

This appears to be the same problems reported for the 1007 thru 5007 models. And it tends to indicate that Onkyo is aware of Audio dropout issues with their receivers. I sent Bob (Onkyo Rep) an email to his direct email address relating this information and how it may be germaine to our issues. I requested he investigate what, if anything, was done to remedy this issue with the above mentioned models. I requested he investigate to determine if the fix (what ever that may be, (firmware, or chip set replacement)) may be applicable to the 1007 and up line.

Again, I will report any new information and Bob's reply when I get one.
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