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post #301 of 1982
Yes, DTS light turns ON.

I have not tried any high-def audio content. Is there any sample high definition video with high def audio I can download and try it out? My receiver is capable of decoding bitstreamed high def audio.

I don't think bitstreaming of high def audio would be possible in revo due to PAP (Protected Audio Path) issue. But it is entirely possible to decode high def audio in XBMC and output it as multichannel audio on hdmi or even downmixing it if XBMC have implemented it.

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Originally Posted by srauly View Post

Ah, ok. I misinterpreted your previous post. So your receiver is even lighting up the DTS logo when you play a movie with a DTS soundtrack? That's great.

Have you tried any high-def content with a high-def audio track (e.g., Dolby TrueHD)? I don't know if your receiver is capable of decoding that (in my case, mine is not), so I'm particularly interested in knowing if XBMC will decode Dolby TrueHD and pass it over HDMI as multichannel audio, or at least downmix it on-the-fly to Dolby Digital.
post #302 of 1982
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by a931048 View Post

I have not tried any high-def audio content. Is there any sample high definition video with high def audio I can download and try it out? My receiver is capable of decoding bitstreamed high def audio.

Take a look at the 8th and 9th files listed in this thread.
post #303 of 1982
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Originally Posted by srauly View Post

David, did you download the MPC-HC from the link I provided in my original post, or did you Google for it yourself? I believe that there are various MPC-HC builds floating around, so I want to rule out the possibility that you might have downloaded one that didn't come with the codecs that are optimized for the NVIDIA GPU.

I'm not exactly sure where I pulled it from but I will go back to your original post and verify. The build I'm using though is 1.3.1249.0 if that makes a difference.

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Originally Posted by srauly View Post

If the resulting file you created has an .m2ts extension, you should also be able to play it with the PowerDVD 8 that came with the Revo. Give that a shot and see if you're seeing the same stuttering.

It plays fine under PowerDVD8


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Originally Posted by srauly View Post

Edit: Oh, and did you change the GPU memory usage to 256MB (in the BIOS settings) per the instructions in the original post?

Initially I had this at the default (which works fine with DVDs) but I did change this to 256 to see if it matters and it didn't.

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Originally Posted by srauly View Post

Edit (again): Another common cause of stuttering: Where is this .m2ts file stored? Is it on the Revo's internal hard drive, on a hard drive connected directly to the Revo, or are you trying to stream it over the network to your Revo. If the last one, there are any number of network-related issues that could be the cause, but the most basic things you need to make sure of is that you are hard-wired over ethernet at at least 100mbps. 802.11n might work as well, but I have no personal experience with that. I'm hard-wired with a Gigabit connection, but 100mbps should be more than enough. 10mbps or 802.11g would not be fast enough for a Blu-ray rip.

I've tried both remote and local because I was unsure what it would do and got the same results.

David
post #304 of 1982
Okay hold on. I tried using the MPC directly to open and play both files and it worked fine. It would seem that I somehow do not have the player hooked up correctly inside of XBMC ... :-(

I'll have to dig through the notes and figure out what I did wrong.

But the upside is that I now have more confidence that this will work.
post #305 of 1982
Here is where I am so far. Bought the Revo yesterday. Downloaded and burned the Live XBMC CD. Then I made the USB drive and booted from it. It seemed to boot super quick and ran fine for a little bit. I was using the iPhone XBMC remote application and that started hanging and XBMC started freezing. That happened twice. Each time I had to reboot. Seems like such a shame since it worked well on playing HD content. I tried a 1080p mov slideshow.

I added the mythtv source as a uPnP server and it showed the content but would not play anything. Weird!

Then I tried playing the same file in Windows XP. Cyberlink PowerDVD played it fine. And it played some AVCHD files too. I then installed MPC-HC and XBMC but XBMC was complaining about some directx dll so I installed directx9.

XBMC started up ok after that but the high-def files were played with stutter. I have not had a chance to play with the mpc-hc tweak within XBMC yet. If that works, and XBMC is stable, I will be installing Windows 7 and re-doing the whole setup. I need to also order a remote and the one I like from ebay comes from Hong Kong and takes a while to arrive. So I will be using the iPhone remote for a while.
post #306 of 1982
I just placed my order with Best Buy using the 5% Bing Cashback and $20 Paypal promotions and will begin setting it up this weekend. Thanks to everyone that posted their experiences since that will make the going that much smoother for me!
post #307 of 1982
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Originally Posted by candre23 View Post

The easiest thing for you to do, at least to try things out, is to use Wubi. It allows you to install one of the official Ubuntu versions on a virtual partition without having to actually repartition your drive. Installation is through Windows, and if you don't like it, you can uninstall it like any other program.

Will Wubi run on Win7 64bit?
Just noticed this mention & became interested in installing the linux XBMC using this app.
post #308 of 1982
Thread Starter 
In case you haven't heard, it looks like the Revo may have some new competition from Dell. Available today for ordering/configuring direct from Dell is their new Zino PC. It looks to be sized similarly to the Mac Mini, and includes an optical drive. This is not an Atom/ION platform. Instead, it uses an AMD chip as the CPU and ATI graphics. I'm most interested in keeping things cheap, and here's what the cheapest Dell Zino config can get you compared to the cheapest Acer AspireRevo...

Revo 1600
- $199
- Single-core Atom 1.6GHz CPU
- NVIDIA ION graphics chip
- 1GB of RAM
- 160GB hard drive (5400RPM?)
- Windows XP

Dell Zino
- $229
- AMD Athlon™ 2650e (512K L2, 1.6GHz)
- Integrated ATI Radeon HD3200 Graphics
- 2GB of RAM
- 250GB 7200RPM hard drive
- Windows 7 Home Premium
- 8X DVD+/-RW Drive

You can configure it to add a faster CPU, more RAM, a bigger hard drive, a Blu-ray drive, and even a different graphics card. But, of course, those things can increase the cost significantly.

IMO, they really dropped the ball by not including a built-in IR receiver (as far as I can tell).

Now, for the money, this appears to offer more bang-for-the-buck than the Revo. It has an optical drive, a bigger (and possibly faster) hard drive, twice the RAM, and Windows 7.

But is the Zino's CPU/GPU up-to-snuff for 1080p content? And can it pass 5.1 audio over HDMI? I don't know the answers to this, but I'm hoping someone here does.
post #309 of 1982
I just bought an AR1600 and this had to happen
post #310 of 1982
Without going too far off topic...

I saw the Zino from Dell and it definitely looks attractive. I wonder how the processor in the base model compare to the Atom in terms of actual real world gain?

Biggest advantage to the Revo is the VDPAU support that can accelerate 1080P. Wonder if the Zino can do the same. It's definitely an attractive pricepoint and a good form factor IMHO. Especially when compared with the other popular XBMC box, ASRock ION.

Looking forward to seeing how this play out.
post #311 of 1982
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Originally Posted by daryoon View Post

Without going too far off topic...

I saw the Zino from Dell and it definitely looks attractive. I wonder how the processor in the base model compare to the Atom in terms of actual real world gain?

Biggest advantage to the Revo is the VDPAU support that can accelerate 1080P. Wonder if the Zino can do the same. It's definitely an attractive pricepoint and a good form factor IMHO. Especially when compared with the other popular XBMC box, ASRock ION.

Looking forward to seeing how this play out.

The Zino has an ATI graphics card which doesnt support VDPAU. Thats the big downfall I see with it.
post #312 of 1982
Thread Starter 
For anyone interested in seeing what the XBMC experts have to say about this, I posted my previous comments/questions about the Revo vs the Zino in a standalone post in the XBMC forums which you can find here:
http://xbmc.org/forum/showthread.php?t=61431

Over in that thread, another user stated essentially what daryoon just stated: XBMC for Linux is not optimized to support this ATI graphics chip. So that's definitely a significant advantage for the Revo. So then the other question is whether MPC-HC can fully utilize the ATI graphics chip. And whether the Zino supports 5.1/7.1 audio over HDMI.
post #313 of 1982
I don't have one of these specifically, but I do have an HP Mini 311 with basically the same chipset (1.6GHz Atom and ION LE - comes with XP)

You guys might want to check here
http://myhpmini.com/forum/viewforum....eb8c01a321d575
specifically for
1) Drivers that enable the full ION. Apparently the ION "LE" is not different hardware from the regular ION graphics chipset. It's a designation to keep costs down by using XP with it. If you put Windows 7 on the Revo, you get full DirectX 10.1 support and Windows 7 accelerates video much better than XP according to these guys. You buy some better performance - not sure if it's only in gaming or applies to 1080p video.
Discussion here: http://myhpmini.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=2580
and here: http://myhpmini.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=2571

2) MPC-HC HD video playback guide. Apparently, you're not supposed to add any codecs on Windows 7 - just use MPC-HC and whatever is built into Windows. Again for the HP Mini 311 but the same thing as the Revo.
Discussion here: http://myhpmini.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=2331

Not sure how XBMC plays into the above, but it might help for those trying on Windows that have Windows 7 they can put on their Revos...
post #314 of 1982
I'm in the "looking for a Xbox XBMC replacement" boat. I like this option, but my problem is that my receiver does not accept audio over HDMI, nor will the plasma pass it on. Any ideas how to get coax or optical out of the Revo? Gracias.
post #315 of 1982
Thread Starter 
AndrewS99, I really like the looks of that Mini. How do you like it? If I was looking to spend $330 on the faster, better Revo, I'd personally be more interested in spending that money on the HP Mini 311.

cbh2424, there are some small USB soundcards/boxes with coax or optical out. I believe we discussed this briefly (and I linked to something) earlier in this thread, so try to search for that.
post #316 of 1982
I like it a lot. Can't wait until we get Adobe Flash 10.1 with GPU acceleration. It will pep the laptop up even more. I put Windows 7 on it immediately and use it for light duty. Small fan issue with Windows 7 that will require an HP BIOS update - messes with hibernation so I have to keep the "Fan always on" to enabled instead of letting Windows cycle it when it needs it. Noise isn't too obnoxious though.

Best bang for the buck netbook out now. Probably better than a ULV Celeron with the 4500MHD graphics chipset. And $399 for the XP version - Windows 7 + a 2GB stick of RAM and it's working great.
post #317 of 1982
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Originally Posted by dleach View Post

Okay hold on. I tried using the MPC directly to open and play both files and it worked fine. It would seem that I somehow do not have the player hooked up correctly inside of XBMC ... :-(

I'll have to dig through the notes and figure out what I did wrong.

But the upside is that I now have more confidence that this will work.

Okay, so I worked through the issues and now have the BD content streaming through the external player very smoothly.

I first ran into a problem that my playercorefactory.xml that I edited was in the wrong directory and not in the users directory (which for the new folks, which I am one, it is in C:\\Documents and Settings\\\\Application Data\\XBMC\\userdata). Then I realized after looking at the wiki that I didn't have any rules setup for when to use the external player. So now my playercorefactory.xml looks like this:

Code:

  
    
      C:\\Program Files\\MPC HomeCinema\\mpcplayer.exe
      
      false
      false
      none
    
  
  
      
  
(srauly, I would suggest that you update your front page article to include the outline of the playercorefactory.xml changes needed... it might save someone later a bit of time)

Then I ran into the next problem that srauly had below:

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Originally Posted by srauly View Post

I tried out the Camelot build of XBMC today very briefly. I was curious to see if there was any improvement in 1080p playback within XBMC for Windows, but there was not. Launching an external player seemed to have issues when I stopped the movie, as it didn't seem to return to XBMC properly. So I uninstalled Camelot. I wasn't sure how to get back to another SVN version (xbmcupdate was reporting that I was already at the latest version), so I reinstalled the official Babylon release. This required reconfiguring my external player settings to make use of advancedsettings.xml instead of playercorefactory.xml, but it seems to be working fine.

The solution was in this thread if you are using Camelot (which I am). The problem is that you need to grab a newer svn build and edit advancesettings.xml to have the following:

Code:
true
I grabbed SVN 24368 installer from here and now it seems to work well (yes I know this is a pre-alpha... but life on the bleeding edge can be fun).

next is to configure my logitech controller to control the IR I just got in and to clean up the boot up to autorun XBMC... then it is time to get back to ripping DVDs and Blu-Rays.

David
post #318 of 1982
Thread Starter 
Great David! See, you're becoming a pro now. I will definitely update my original post soon.
post #319 of 1982
Thread Starter 
Seeing as we got a bit off-topic in discussing the Dell Zino anyway...For those of you yet to make a purchase, you may want to hold off a bit longer and see what this has to offer:
http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/b...xee-box-is-co/

Boxee, which is based on the XBMC code, is set to announce a Boxee Box. How low will it be priced? Can it be hacked to run XBMC? Could be worth waiting a few more weeks to find out (December 7th).
post #320 of 1982
"Couple of more questions before I pick up a Revo.

My movie library on my Nas is over 800 movies, all with thumbs and many with fanart.

Using XBMC on my xbox when I click the movie tab it takes almost 60 seconds to show the movies on the screen. Then if I watch a movie, click stop, again it takes about 60 seconds for my movie library to show again.

Also, .jpgs from my Nikon camera come out to over 1 meg in size. They wont even show up on the xbox unless I downsize them to smaller than that.

This is all with PM3-HD.

My question is is the processor in the Revo enough of a difference to alleviate these issues somewhat?"

Thanks in advance!
post #321 of 1982
I cannot get XBMC to pass through the Dolby Digital or DTS track via HDMI to my receiver. I have gone through some of the recent postings in this thread and someone confirmed it working using the XBMC Live version but not the Windows version.

I have set the Sound to Digital, checked the AC3 and DTS checkboxes (tried them unchecked too) and finally I have tried all three settings in the sound output box: primary audio driver, nvidia and realtek.

Nothing gives me Dolby Digital audio. Unchecking the AC3 and DTS checkboxes gives me PCM sound but I don't want that. I want my Harman Kardon receiver to do the decoding.

I will try the Live version tomorrow.

Also, how can I tell whether or not mpc-hc is being used for a video? I added the hack but still got stutter in some avchd videos.

Finally, I had decided to stay with Windows 7 since the install was getting very tedious (no DVD drive) and there were too many drivers to hunt down. Especially the nvidia control panel which let me easily adjust the overscan on my TV. And I am not sure about getting audio drivers either. But since someone posted above that W7 mayb help with video acceleration, I am thinking about giving it a try. Has anyone noticed any difference with Windows 7?

Thanks in advance.
post #322 of 1982
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Originally Posted by srauly View Post

Great David! See, you're becoming a pro now. I will definitely update my original post soon.


Helps when you have time on your hands (I'm in early startup mode... which means I have time).

My Home Theater system has the following:

Pioneer 60inch Plasma Kuro (PDP-6060FD)
Sony DA3400ES AV receiver hooked to nice speakers

So my test today was a rip of Batman The Dark Knight Blu-Ray streamed over to my new XBMC Revo platform. It worked beautifully. Full HD video and full HD stereo. My AV receiver scrolled a message saying it was doing Linear PCM at 48Mhz and I have to say that it sounded great. I actually had to turn the AV to 2 Ch when the wife went to bed because the house tends to shake when I don't ;-).

So that should put the rest any questions about this system being able to do HD audio over the HDMI.

Now my next step is to get the logitec remote configured to control this and then to work out a clean workflow to rip my 600+ DVDs and small number of Blu-Rays (actually, I need to build a dedicated server for my media... but not right away).

Thanks srauly for starting this thread and getting me off my butt to get one and set things up.

David
post #323 of 1982
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Originally Posted by yelloguy View Post

I cannot get XBMC to pass through the Dolby Digital or DTS track via HDMI to my receiver. I have gone through some of the recent postings in this thread and someone confirmed it working using the XBMC Live version but not the Windows version.

I have set the Sound to Digital, checked the AC3 and DTS checkboxes (tried them unchecked too) and finally I have tried all three settings in the sound output box: primary audio driver, nvidia and realtek.

Nothing gives me Dolby Digital audio. Unchecking the AC3 and DTS checkboxes gives me PCM sound but I don't want that. I want my Harman Kardon receiver to do the decoding.

I will try the Live version tomorrow.

Yelloguy, What is the difference between getting PCM vs Dolby Digital? I just got my system basically working and I'm getting the PCM as well but I have to say that it sounds really good.

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Originally Posted by yelloguy View Post

Also, how can I tell whether or not mpc-hc is being used for a video? I added the hack but still got stutter in some avchd videos.

I struggled with this as well so here are some points to very/try (note that this comes from my digging with the Camelot builds of XBMC... I haven't tried this with the stable release):

1) You can tell if your video is playing via mpc-hc because you will see that player's logo startup right before your video.

2) If you right click on a video title you want to play you can select "Play with..." and that will give you a pop up that will allow you to select the video player to use. If you haven't correctly added the external video player to your configuration then it won't show up as an option.

3) Make sure you're editing the playercorefactory.xml file in the right directory. I initially was doing this in the wrong directory. It needs to be in: C:\\Documents and Settings\\\\Application Data\\XBMC\\userdata\\

4) There is this link on the XBMC Wiki: HOW-TO use an External Player for media playback. As I said, I haven't tried to get this to work on the stable release which would require adding the external player information into advancedsettings.xml. I think that is the way srauly does it. It seems that the old way doesn't give you the rules system to allow you to pick a different player for each video type...


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Originally Posted by yelloguy View Post

Finally, I had decided to stay with Windows 7 since the install was getting very tedious (no DVD drive) and there were too many drivers to hunt down. Especially the nvidia control panel which let me easily adjust the overscan on my TV. And I am not sure about getting audio drivers either. But since someone posted above that W7 mayb help with video acceleration, I am thinking about giving it a try. Has anyone noticed any difference with Windows 7?

Thanks in advance.

I'm using the Windows XP that it came installed with... But I do have the overscan problem on my TV that I haven't tried to figure out yet....
post #324 of 1982
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Originally Posted by dleach View Post

Yelloguy, What is the difference between getting PCM vs Dolby Digital? I just got my system basically working and I'm getting the PCM as well but I have to say that it sounds really good.

PCM sounds good but it is being decoded in XBMC. Dolby Digital is bit streamed to your receiver which decodes it.

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Originally Posted by dleach View Post

1) You can tell if your video is playing via mpc-hc because you will see that player's logo startup right before your video.

I am not seeing any logo and the stuttering is as bad as before so I guess it is not using mpc.

I will try #2, play with... but right now I am installing Windows 7. Since I was having issues with a wireless dongle I guess I would just go to Windows 7 and see how it goes.

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Originally Posted by dleach View Post

3) Make sure you're editing the playercorefactory.xml file in the right

4) There is this link on the XBMC Wiki: [url="http://xbmc.org/wiki/?
[/QUOTE]

I saw that link and the file is in the correct folder. I will figure it out later (in Windows 7).

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Originally Posted by dleach View Post

I'm using the Windows XP that it came installed with... But I do have the overscan problem on my TV that I haven't tried to figure out yet....

Its super easy to fix. Go to NVidia control panel and on the left nav menu, towards the bottom there is an option to resize tv screen. Drag the sliders so you see the arrows and problem solved.
post #325 of 1982
I tried the sample videos that srauly mentioned containing Dolby-TrueHD and DTS-MA. For Dolby-TrueHD XBMC decoded it and my receiver says it got PCM. For DTS-MA XBMC bitstreamed the DTS core and receiver said it got DTS.

I have tried windows version of XBMC 9.11 alpha 1. Did not like it. Not even with MPC-HC. I need subtitle and MPC-HC is not showing it. Also I was not able to get Dolby digital or DTS sound at all in windows version of XBMC. Everytime my receiver said it got PCM. XBMC for windows audio setting was the same as XBMC Live.
post #326 of 1982
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Originally Posted by a931048 View Post

I tried the sample videos that srauly mentioned containing Dolby-TrueHD and DTS-MA. For Dolby-TrueHD XBMC decoded it and my receiver says it got PCM. For DTS-MA XBMC bitstreamed the DTS core and receiver said it got DTS.

I have tried windows version of XBMC 9.11 alpha 1. Did not like it. Not even with MPC-HC. I need subtitle and MPC-HC is not showing it. Also I was not able to get Dolby digital or DTS sound at all in windows version of XBMC. Everytime my receiver said it got PCM. XBMC for windows audio setting was the same as XBMC Live.

I accidentally *fixed* the audio issue. Just for kicks I tried Analog audio and as expected it did not give me any Dolby Digital. Then when I switched back to Digital (with DD and DTS checked) I started getting DD. I swear I tried these settings before and it did not work for me.

I got the same results with the Dolby-TrueHD as you (PCM).

I like the convenience of the live version but its not as "tweakable" unless you ssh into it and use the commandline for everything. I think I would either stick with a Windows version or install a Linux version.

Oh and please see the dell mini link above for the mpc settings for enabling subtitles.
post #327 of 1982
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Originally Posted by yelloguy View Post

PCM sounds good but it is being decoded in XBMC. Dolby Digital is bit streamed to your receiver which decodes it.

If you are using an external player, wouldn't the player be the one decoding rather than XBMC? I wonder where the decode is actually happening? Maybe in the NVIDIA audio drivers?

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Originally Posted by yelloguy View Post

I am not seeing any logo and the stuttering is as bad as before so I guess it is not using mpc.

I will try #2, play with... but right now I am installing Windows 7. Since I was having issues with a wireless dongle I guess I would just go to Windows 7 and see how it goes.

Problems with a wireless LAN dongle? If so, I doubt there is any difference between XP and W7 except that maybe the W7 drivers for that dongle may not be ready or are not mature.

I come from a WLAN background (used to manage a team that developed WLAN drivers for windows/linux platforms) so I know how some drivers lag behind the OS.


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Originally Posted by yelloguy View Post

I saw that link and the file is in the correct folder. I will figure it out later (in Windows 7).

Its super easy to fix. Go to NVidia control panel and on the left nav menu, towards the bottom there is an option to resize tv screen. Drag the sliders so you see the arrows and problem solved.

I saw this too but the next problem was that the whole display was shifted to the left and I didn't see a control for adjusting that... just the resize control.
post #328 of 1982
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Originally Posted by yelloguy View Post

I saw that link and the file is in the correct folder. I will figure it out later (in Windows 7).


Which version of XBMC are you working with?
post #329 of 1982
srauly,

Can you explain how you configured your logitech harmony to control the Revo and the TV? I've been searching through the forums without much luck.

David
post #330 of 1982
Thread Starter 
I'd like to kindly make a suggestion to everyone: Please state up-front what version of XBMC you are using before asking for help (or offering potential solutions). It's a bit confusing, as we have a mix of people here using XBMC Live and XBMC for Windows (and maybe some XBMC for Linux folks - though the results there should be the same as XBMC Live). Also, state the version (e.g., official Babylon release, Camelot Alpha release, SVN release of one or the other, etc.). Unfortunately, it will probably be necessary to provide this info in each and every post as most of us probably won't be able to remember which user is running what.

yelloguy, it sounds like you don't have MPC-HC properly configured or else you would know it (as David said, you'd see the MPC-HC logo at the start of playing the video). If you're using a recent Babylon SVN release or any Camelot release you should follow David's instructions for the playercorefactory.xml settings, but you may need to tweak the filetypes setting in the rules. His example would only work for .m2ts files. You should add .ts and .mkv filetypes as well. I believe this way:
Code:
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