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post #1891 of 8336
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Originally Posted by nickmo View Post

Well, that looks pretty terrible. From that distance on my screen when the PJ is in focus I can see pixel structure and clearly defined edges. Can you post a picture of your whole screen and where the projector is? It almost looks like the bottom of your picture is more in focus than the top.


I'll try and take a pic of the projector and screen as well, remember this is a close up pic and this was at the bottom of the screen.

screen size is 122" 16x9
post #1892 of 8336
hey nickmo how did you get the pic to show in the forum i never can figure that out?

Thanks for doing that though
post #1893 of 8336
I use picasa web albums. It's a feature that is part of a gmail email account. If you upload your photos there, they provide links to the photos that you can just copy/paste into the forum.
post #1894 of 8336
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Originally Posted by Bob Whitefield View Post

This sounds exactly like an HDCP handshake problem. I saw it with my 50' HDMI cable, and when I went to a thicker 35' cable, it went away. The 50' cable works fine with my HDTV tuner and computer, but not the Blu-ray player at 1080p. HDCP is very picky, and my player doesn't care whether the source is protected--it does the handshake even when no disc is inserted.

The reason I never saw the problem before is because my previous projector was 720p. An HDMI extender didn't help. If you must have a long run, I recommend 22 AWG cable, although 24 seems to be good enough for 35'. This is the cable that's working for me:
http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...4005&p_id=2742

Monoprice has thicker, more expensive 22AWG cables too:
http://www.monoprice.com/products/su...02&cp_id=10240
Monoprice is experiencing major shipping delays now, you probably won't get your order in three days as is usually the case.

Attach a short HDMI cable directly between the Blu-ray player and projector and I bet you'll never see snow bars.

I sure hope it's a handshake issue. HDMI cables are cheap. I'm seriously considering using monoprice's HDMI over CAT6 solution. Both the cables I'm using are the heavy duty Category 2 certified cables from monoprice, but I stuck an extender between them, and that might be the source of the problem.
post #1895 of 8336
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Originally Posted by nickmo View Post

I sure hope it's a handshake issue. HDMI cables are cheap. I'm seriously considering using monoprice's HDMI over CAT6 solution. Both the cables I'm using are the heavy duty Category 2 certified cables from monoprice, but I stuck an extender between them, and that might be the source of the problem.

I am using the "heavy" BlueJean because of the positive reviews....but the extender may be the problem. When I had the BD player running through the Gefen switch, the total cable run was over 50' and sparkles, snow, flashes. With the 40' direct hook-up=perfect picture. I run my HD sat, HD-DVD through the switch with 50' + run; no problem.

Steve
post #1896 of 8336
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Originally Posted by DoomBot View Post

[IMG]Download Focus PT-AE4000.JPG from FileFactory.com[/IMG]

Here is what i see for focus and this is as close as i can get it and as you see it has a soft shadow fuzziness to it. What you see in the pic is what i see on the screen done with a canon rebel xt slr

That does look pretty bad I will look at mine tonight I don't think it is that bad...
post #1897 of 8336
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Originally Posted by boykster View Post

Well I did a bit of research in the AE2000 and AE3000 threads and can confirm that I have a dust blob - or more specifically a lint or hair blob on the blue LCD. I can focus through it down to what looks like a dog or cat hair (I have both, and unfortunately yes they both come in the theater).

I just ordered a rocket bulb blower and will be seeing if there is anyway to get access to the lightpath to try to blow it off without voiding the warranty. Otherwise it's going to the service center for cleaning.

For future reference, can you describe (link) how to remove "blobs"? I don't have a dog or cat and the GF doesn't shed much so I should be OK but just in case.

Steve
post #1898 of 8336
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Originally Posted by Just Nick View Post

Greetings Learned Forum:

As best as I can tell, it is a horizontal line that fills the width of my screen. It varies in its thickness. Sometimes it takes up 1/3 of the screen. But it seems to always go the entire width of the screen. Here is my set-up: Panasonic BD60 > Marantz SR6003 > Panasonic AE4000U.

I have done the basic "check all your connections." They all seem tight and secure. I am not sure how to trouble shoot from here. Your thoughts and suggestions are greatly appreciated. Thank you.

Nick

Hi Nick,

I had what I think is the exact same issue you are having when I was using a Monoprice HDMI switcher. No matter what source I was playing I would get these milliseconds of white screen flashes while the audio was not affected.

I removed the Monoprice switcher and ran direct connections all to the 4000 and have not had an issue since.
post #1899 of 8336
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Originally Posted by PLUCKYB View Post

That does look pretty bad I will look at mine tonight I don't think it is that bad...

My picture looks similar on the internal menu. I am trying to determine if this is just the typical LCD white text ringing (issue with LCD technology not projector) or if there is a problem with alignment inside the unit or something else. I am going to zero the lens shift tonight to determine if the halo mimics the shift. What is the best pattern to use to check the convergence? I wish the PJ had more than just a green grid test pattern. I will have to look for my old Avia dvd I guess. I found most of my problems with getting the picture in focus surround this text halo, I keep trying to focus out the halo vs keeping the menu text sharp. Normal hdtv/bluray looks perfect, no ringing or halo on sports tickers, credits, etc. Could it just be the menus?
post #1900 of 8336
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Originally Posted by donkie View Post

My picture looks similar on the internal menu. I am trying to determine if this is just the typical LCD white text ringing (issue with LCD technology not projector) or if there is a problem with alignment inside the unit or something else. I am going to zero the lens shift tonight to determine if the halo mimics the shift. What is the best pattern to use to check the convergence? I wish the PJ had more than just a green grid test pattern. I will have to look for my old Avia dvd I guess. I found most of my problems with getting the picture in focus surround this text halo, I keep trying to focus out the halo vs keeping the menu text sharp. Normal hdtv/bluray looks perfect, no ringing or halo on sports tickers, credits, etc. Could it just be the menus?

When I first installed my 4000, I also noticed smearing/halo similar to the image posted. This only occurred at the bottom edge of the screen, where the Zoom/Focus submenu is. My assumption was this was an optical issue, since it didn't occur at the top or center of the screen, where the light path will be more through the center of the lens.

Initially my projector was mounted about an inch above the top of the screen. I lowered it to two inches below the top, and redid the 16:9 and 2.35 lens memory settings. This mostly eliminated the text smearing at the very bottom.

You really can't expect the lens to be perfect at the edges. Look at the edges of a digital camera image when zoomed out fully and you'll see the same thing.

Also, although the smearing may look bad close up, it's not something you will notice watching a movie from normal viewing distance, no matter how hard you look.
post #1901 of 8336
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Originally Posted by PLUCKYB View Post

That does look pretty bad I will look at mine tonight I don't think it is that bad...

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Originally Posted by Bob Whitefield View Post

When I first installed my 4000, I also noticed smearing/halo similar to the image posted. This only occurred at the bottom edge of the screen, where the Zoom/Focus submenu is. My assumption was this was an optical issue, since it didn't occur at the top or center of the screen, where the light path will be more through the center of the lens.

Initially my projector was mounted about an inch above the top of the screen. I lowered it to two inches below the top, and redid the 16:9 and 2.35 lens memory settings. This mostly eliminated the text smearing at the very bottom.

You really can't expect the lens to be perfect at the edges. Look at the edges of a digital camera image when zoomed out fully and you'll see the same thing.

Also, although the smearing may look bad close up, it's not something you will notice watching a movie from normal viewing distance, no matter how hard you look.

I totally agree...I just about went insane over the focus and the menu in the default position. All content looks perfect, I just notice it on the menu up close to the screen. A finer focus adjustment is the only thing I would like to see improved.
post #1902 of 8336
It would be nice to be able too focus with the remote but looking at any video or picture you want and not what they provide when you select focus.Sure i could use the focus on the projector but then your way the hell back and can't fine tune it.
post #1903 of 8336
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Originally Posted by DoomBot View Post

It would be nice to be able too focus with the remote but looking at any video or picture you want and not what they provide when you select focus.Sure i could use the focus on the projector but then your way the hell back and can't fine tune it.

You can--push the center button to switch between the internal patterns and the current input source.

This is crucial for adjusting zoom and alignment--I usually freeze a frame that's bright on all sides for this. But the internal focus pattern is probably the best for focusing.
post #1904 of 8336
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Originally Posted by willdao View Post

Almost positively. Don't think they/anyone even offer(s) 50ft.+ cables without extenders/amps. If you're interested in the co. I linked to above, try the 100ft. w/extender. Yeah, I know it's overkill, but I didn't see, in my quick glance over the page, anything between 50 and 100. And it's still very inexpensive. And a bit future-proof, in terms of length.

And, let us all know--no matter which co./product you go with--how it works out!

I am done playing around testing... I just bought this Celabs HM6EK. I need 60 Feet comfortably anyway
post #1905 of 8336
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Originally Posted by Bob Whitefield View Post

You can--push the center button to switch between the internal patterns and the current input source.

This is crucial for adjusting zoom and alignment--I usually freeze a frame that's bright on all sides for this. But the internal focus pattern is probably the best for focusing.

Ok i didn't know that i'll give it a try thanks

when you say alignment do you mean focus?

If not the focus pattern then a calibration disc
post #1906 of 8336
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Originally Posted by DoomBot View Post

Ok i didn't know that i'll give it a try thanks

when you say alignment do you mean focus?

If not the focus pattern then a calibration disc

I was aware of this but still think the picture has a focus issue that I didn't see with the 8100.

I think it all comes down to like others have said it would be nice to have a better/finer focus adjustment.
post #1907 of 8336
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Originally Posted by PLUCKYB View Post

I was aware of this but still think the picture has a focus issue that I didn't see with the 8100.

I think it all comes down to like others have said it would be nice to have a better/finer focus adjustment.

Yea just like in reviews they say its hard to focus it.
post #1908 of 8336
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Originally Posted by DoomBot View Post

when you say alignment do you mean focus

No, I meant zooming and aligning the 16:9 and 2.35 images so they fill the screen precisely. That's when using the input source is useful, instead of the internal patterns. I put four Post-It notes at the inner edge of the velvet screen borders so I can see how much overspill there is. Then I freeze the player on a frame where all edges are well-lit and adjust.

For focus, I don't see how you can do much better than the internal four-square pattern. I just single-tap the focus button until all four squares have black between the lines, seems pretty easy to me?
post #1909 of 8336
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Originally Posted by rastargate View Post

I am done playing around testing... I just bought this Celabs HM6EK. I need 60 Feet comfortably anyway

Good luck, and do keep us posted!


Will
post #1910 of 8336
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Originally Posted by 501transpo View Post

...and the GF doesn't shed much so I should be OK but just in case.

Steve

LMAO This one slipped by my noggin for a couple of seconds...and then it hit!
post #1911 of 8336
Question to "naturr" who was online November 7th. You mentioned a way to get UPS to not charge you duty when you brought your 4000 up to Canada. I was charged duty by UPS. Can you give me more detailed instructions so I can talk to them about it.

Thanks
Love the 4000 although it is not a bright as the Epson 6500 I had last year.
post #1912 of 8336
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Originally Posted by GREGBARLOW View Post

Question to "naturr" who was online November 7th. You mentioned a way to get UPS to not charge you duty when you brought your 4000 up to Canada. I was charged duty by UPS. Can you give me more detailed instructions so I can talk to them about it.

Thanks
Love the 4000 although it is not a bright as the Epson 6500 I had last year.

I may not remember this correctly, but a couple of years ago, I think folks were talking about declaring PJs as "Computer Monitors," which don't have any duties. Or something like that. Maybe someone else can chime in here, other than naturr, if he's offline?
post #1913 of 8336
I had a request for photos of the AE4000 on the Rite Mounts NPL ceiling mount. You can normally use the pipe for cable management, but since I have a wood ceiling, that wasn't an option.
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post #1914 of 8336
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Originally Posted by Bob Whitefield View Post

I had a request for photos of the AE4000 on the Rite Mounts NPL ceiling mount. You can normally use the pipe for cable management, but since I have a wood ceiling, that wasn't an option.

Thanks for posting the pictures, hoping this thread continues to become more informative. I have the other rite mount (vaulted ceiling, the PMS series) and it works perfectly. Was forty something $ on the auction site.

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I've seen some members use threaded pipe to extend their projector mount as low as they need to go. I would measure the drop and take to mount top and botton base to my local hardware store to have them fit the mount to a extention pipe. DIY...DIY
post #1916 of 8336
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Originally Posted by tbase1 View Post

I've seen some members use threaded pipe to extend their projector mount as low as they need to go. I would measure the drop and take to mount top and botton base to my local hardware store to have them fit the mount to a extention pipe. DIY...DIY

I use PVC pipe and connectors, may or may not be a good idea, but it's works for me. The advantage is that it is workable with hand tools and a little PVC cement. Also it's light weight.

Steve
post #1917 of 8336
Here is a pic of the PVC set up. It also nice because the length is easily modified. (Which I did several times. :>)

Steve
LL
post #1918 of 8336
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Originally Posted by DoomBot View Post

Didn't you say things seemed to be getting better or maybe you just thought they were? Has the Spears & Munsil calibration Blu-ray helped in the sharpness at all did you end up focusing it better? I hate how its not fine adjusting for focus it's too touchy.

I did say that but probably should retract it. After having gone through the S&M calibration BD I am still frustrated. Could not find anything like a resolution chart that would allow us to come up with quantitative values (numbers) that we could compare with each other and with a bench mark.

Attempted a few screen shots, but need to learn how to post them here, so will post them later.
post #1919 of 8336
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Originally Posted by willdao View Post

I may not remember this correctly, but a couple of years ago, I think folks were talking about declaring PJs as "Computer Monitors," which don't have any duties. Or something like that. Maybe someone else can chime in here, other than naturr, if he's offline?

Projectors are exempt as long as they don't have tv tuners. Link here http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...highlight=duty

Post 15, then click his link for another link to the pdf...
post #1920 of 8336
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Originally Posted by Ed Snape View Post

I did say that but probably should retract it. After having gone through the S&M calibration BD I am still frustrated. Could not find anything like a resolution chart that would allow us to come up with quantitative values (numbers) that we could compare with each other and with a bench mark.

Attempted a few screen shots, but need to learn how to post them here, so will post them later.

I don't have a Panny, but can you move your menu around the four corners, see if there a difference and take pictures? That would be a constant between all AE4000's.
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