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Man, there are a lot of posts on this thread! I have 80 hrs on my bulb shooting to a VAPEX screen and I love this baby!

Can someone help me understand the function of the auto adjust on the Waveform monitor? I usually use Color 1 mode with eco lamp on and I like to adjust the picture if I change from sports to a movie or vice versa. Does this pretty much replace all the need to calibrate your settings? Is it that good or do I still need to do some fine adjusting?
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Originally Posted by kicks View Post

Man what screen are you using? That looks amazing.

Ditto! And what settings? "best" modes, or the brighter modes ("normal" and dynamic)? Low or high bulb? Any ambient light? At that size and seating distance, are standard DVD's tolerable? Wow, really impressive. Would love to see some non-animation shots.
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Originally Posted by kjoy064 View Post

I'm running a 92" Australian Elite screen (not sure if it's the same as the US versions) and from 3m 10ft and i know it's huge and thinking the people going the 110" may find it to big.

The bigger the better (screens at least)
post #2974 of 8336
I watched some SD DVD's on the 4000 on a 134" wide 2.35 Scope screen today, the DVD player is an Oppo 83 outputing 10824/p. I was used to watching these DVD's on a 16:9 105" wide screen and was always pleased with the results. There is too much deatil lost on the 134" wide screen for my tastes. The Oppo 83 is one of the finest upscaling DVD players available.

There is just so much pixel density available on SD DVD's, Blu-rays of course look great on the 134" screen.

This leaves me rethinking what size screen to get for the 4000 as most of our HT viewing is Netflix SD DVD's. Bummer.
post #2975 of 8336
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Originally Posted by Big Picture View Post

This leaves me rethinking what size screen to get for the 4000 as most of our HT viewing is Netflix SD DVD's. Bummer.

I ordered a Carada 110" BW, waiting for delivery. I think that will be perfect size, for me at least without losing any detail in DVD or blu-ray.

I just found my CD that came with the 4000. I thought I didn't get one with my projector. Do I need this CD for anything important or is it just for testing the projector?

I was also surprised that my 4000 came double boxed. I thought that was interesting.
post #2976 of 8336
My AE4000U arrived Saturday, and a friend of mine asked my opinion specifically vs. the HC3000 since that's what we both had before. He suggested I post my write-up so here it is. Hopefully it will be helpful to some.

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I really like the AE4000U. I don’t have the HC3000 for a side-by-side, so take that for what it’s worth. Also, I’m using a 50’ HDMI cable and 100" slightly grey screen.

When watching Blu-Rays in Cinema 1 Mode (all lights off), there is a great sense of depth to the image that I’m not used to seeing in projection (front or rear). Also, the black levels (which I am really picky about) are superb – I was watching Blade Runner, and not only was there much more clarity to the image than I’ve ever seen, the levels of shadow detail were incredible.

One thing I really like about it is the feature set – I have image quality memory saves called Game (high brightness, iris off), THX (Cinema 1, no enhancements) and Netflix (Cinema 2, MPEG NR, Frame Creation 1). I can easily call up these presets from the remote without having to go through any extra menus. The dynamic iris is very responsive and almost unnoticeable. The only time I can notice it so far is during credits, when I can perceive the brightness change from the amount of white text on the screen causing the iris to step down.

Whoever said there’s no “fine” mode on the focus is wrong – if you “tap” the button, the lens steps a very minute amount. If you press and hold it, it shoots out of focus. Smooth Screen makes it a little hard to focus – the pixels don’t line up the way I’m used to. They almost look rectangular and staggered – and they’re very tiny, even standing right on top of the screen. The lens shift (horizontal and vertical) is handy and has a huge range. I have no keystone whatsoever even though I didn’t mount it perfectly centered. It’s a manual dial on the projector, though, so you can’t do it while standing at the screen. Also, the lens cap is permanently attached to the projector, so I have it kind of sitting on top.

The AE4000U is much larger than the HC3000. My eBay ceiling mount barely fits and took some fiddling to get to work properly. New screws are required, too, and none come with the projector. I found a close match at HD. It’s not perfect, but the projector isn’t going anywhere. Weight is similar, but more centered on the AE4000U. Aesthetically, the AE4000U is prettier. Not a big deal, but for those of us with the projector in the middle of the room, it’s nice. It produces probably a similar amount of heat as the HC3000, and a little less noise.

Brightness is probably similar. I have a hard time seeing a lot of difference in overall brightness between good HT projectors. I think there’s no comparison in black level detail when using Cinema 1 mode. I’m so used to objects like suits merging into a dark background that it’s very cool to actually be able to make out very subtle shadow detail. The sharpness is also superior – both because of the 1080p and the Smooth Screen.

All advantages are lost when playing an Xbox game, and the projectors are probably close to identical there, most likely due to limitations in the Xbox or game itself. I haven’t played very many to know if it’s device or game specific. Frame response is fast – RB2 reports 40ms delay in “fast mode”. I never tested the HC3000, but it’s faster than the RX-V663 which reports 90ms delay.
post #2977 of 8336
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Originally Posted by neverfaithful View Post

I ordered a Carada 110" BW, waiting for delivery. I think that will be perfect size, for me at least without losing any detail in DVD or blu-ray.

I just found my CD that came with the 4000. I thought I didn't get one with my projector. Do I need this CD for anything important or is it just for testing the projector?

I was also surprised that my 4000 came double boxed. I thought that was interesting.

I'm sure you'll be very happy with that screen. The CD just contains the manuals, AFAIK. I downloaded the manuals, so I haven't even looked at the CD. It's around here somewhere...
post #2978 of 8336
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Originally Posted by adpayne View Post

Is the misalignment only visible on test patterns, and viewing close up? Is it more than one pixel wide? Can you see any issues when just watching the PJ from normal distances?

There is no such thing as a perfectly aligned 3 panel PJ. I'm not saying there is nothing wrong with yours, but if it isn't noticable when actually watching movies, it isn't a big deal.

Art

adpayne -

Thanks for the reply...

I can't see the misalignment when I'm more than 5 feet away. My seats are at 12 feet. I see it in convergence patterns and in movies, but only when close to the screen. I see a little bit of green and red in the blond hair of actors and a red outline around the left side of dark objects.

I'm not sure how much misalignment there is - with the smoothscreen it's hard to discern pixel structure - but even though I can't see the issue close-up, I still think its worse than it should be. Doesn't misalignment, even the type that can't be seen more than 5 feet away, decrease sharpness and overall picture quality?

Is there a known 1-pixel wide pattern or method I can use to diagnose exactly how much misalignment I have? Also, how much is too much? Only if I can see it from my seats?

I'm not sure if this will give enough context for how bad (or not) the misalignment is - but do you know the input diagram that flashes on the screen when the PT-4k is searching for a signal? In the word "HDMI", as in HDMI 1, HDMI 2, etc., the letter "I" is basically all red and green. If I were to quantify it, I would say at least 1/2 pixel green and 1/4 pixel red.
post #2979 of 8336
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Originally Posted by capnkirk52 View Post

Man, there are a lot of posts on this thread! I have 80 hrs on my bulb shooting to a VAPEX screen and I love this baby!

Can someone help me understand the function of the auto adjust on the Waveform monitor? I usually use Color 1 mode with eco lamp on and I like to adjust the picture if I change from sports to a movie or vice versa. Does this pretty much replace all the need to calibrate your settings? Is it that good or do I still need to do some fine adjusting?

Careful. Don't start tweaking on a perfect picture just because somebody is willing to post suggestions. You can screw it up and then get used to it, and ruin your brain and your judgment.
post #2980 of 8336
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Originally Posted by Big Picture View Post

I watched some SD DVD's on the 4000 on a 134" wide 2.35 Scope screen today, the DVD player is an Oppo 83 outputing 10824/p. ... There is too much deatil lost on the 134" wide screen for my tastes. The Oppo 83 is one of the finest upscaling DVD players available.... Bummer.

There is no detail lost, as it wasn't ever there in the first place. With a screen that big you are trying to make pixels blend and look good that should be the size of a golf ball without the processing.
post #2981 of 8336
" Also, the lens cap is permanently attached to the projector, so I have it kind of sitting on top."

That yanks right out of the projector so you can put it in a drawer and lose it.
post #2982 of 8336
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Originally Posted by Cpt. Jack View Post

My AE4000U arrived Saturday, and a friend of mine asked my opinion specifically vs. the HC3000 since that's what we both had before. He suggested I post my write-up so here it is. Hopefully it will be helpful to some.


Whoever said there's no fine mode on the focus is wrong - if you tap the button, the lens steps a very minute amount. If you press and hold it, it shoots out of focus. Smooth Screen makes it a little hard to focus - the pixels don't line up the way I'm used to. They almost look rectangular and staggered - and they're very tiny, even standing right on top of the screen.

Agree, I also noted this in my post at http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...9#post17720999. When I ordered the 4000 I'd assumed focussing would be a problem as reviewers testing the 4000 had complained about the 'tricky' coarse focus control. However, as you note, it is very fine if used correctly.

I focussed mine by standing next to the screen and whilst looking at text around the centre of the screen, used the fine focus jog to get the clearest text. I found this also gave the clearest grid test pattern and I have been very happy with the sharp picture the 4000 produces on a top quality Blu-ray (as you know, not all Blu-rays [or DVDs] are the same. Some have soft focus when filmed and transferred to digital. Crank High Voltage was filmed completely in 1080P digital and shows what the projector is really capable of when given top quality material.)
post #2983 of 8336
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Originally Posted by Terminator840 View Post

I've been reading this thread for a long time now. My purchase time for the 4000 is getting close, about a month away. This will be my first projector and I am so excited.

I am planning on going with a 120+" CIH 2.35 AR "scope" screen. My throw distance will be about 15 ft. I am worried my about seating distance. Currently in my HT I have a 61" DLP and my seating distance is about 6-7 ft. After my move to the 4000 I will gain 2-3 ft. by removing the DLP and stand and projecting on the wall. That will put me in the 8-9 ft. range from screen to my first row of seats. Would that be too close? I can move the seating back a little but not much.

First time set up?

My plan is to mount the projector from the ceiling and throw the biggest/widest image I can get then mask off the area for the screen and use paint. For first time set up do I set up the 16:9 (1.78) AR first then zoom out to get the 2.35 AR? Or do you set up the 2.35 AR first?

Here is my current set up.



Wow, I posted this right before Christmas. No responses.....Anybody with some thoughts?
post #2984 of 8336
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Originally Posted by Big Picture View Post

I watched some SD DVD's on the 4000 on a 134" wide 2.35 Scope screen today, the DVD player is an Oppo 83 outputing 10824/p. I was used to watching these DVD's on a 16:9 105" wide screen and was always pleased with the results. There is too much deatil lost on the 134" wide screen for my tastes. The Oppo 83 is one of the finest upscaling DVD players available.

There is just so much pixel density available on SD DVD's, Blu-rays of course look great on the 134" screen.

This leaves me rethinking what size screen to get for the 4000 as most of our HT viewing is Netflix SD DVD's. Bummer.

I was hoping that someone would post some pics/screenshots of SD DVDs on a 2.35 scope screen. I would like to get a feel for what they look like.
post #2985 of 8336
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Originally Posted by Terminator840 View Post

I was hoping that someone would post some pics/screenshots of SD DVDs on a 2.35 scope screen. I would like to get a feel for what they look like.

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post #2987 of 8336
I have been planning on purchasing from B&H and their price was 1999.00 like the thread title. Was and is again 1999.00, but yesterday when I checked they upped it 100.00 to 2099.00. It didn't last long at that price. Makes you wonder since it is selling good, yet they dropped the price back to where they had it.
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Originally Posted by Hughmc View Post

I have been planning on purchasing from B&H and their price was 1999.00 like the thread title. Was and is again 1999.00, but yesterday when I checked they upped it 100.00 to 2099.00. It didn't last long at that price. Makes you wonder since it is selling good, yet they dropped the price back to where they had it.

I purchased from B&H on Sunday for 1999.00. So are you saying that it went up $100 now its back down $100, im confused with your post.
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Originally Posted by neverfaithful View Post

I purchased from B&H on Sunday for 1999.00. So are you saying that it went up $100 now its back down $100, im confused with your post.


Yes, Sunday evening the price on their site was 1999.00. Then all day yesterday it was listed at 2099.00.
post #2990 of 8336
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Originally Posted by Terminator840 View Post

Wow, I posted this right before Christmas. No responses.....Anybody with some thoughts?

I think you will be fine. We are about 8' from a 120" scope with a samsung sp-a800b dlp projector and Acoustically Transparent screen.

I would highly recommend the Seymour Center Stage screen by Chris seymour

ed
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Here is a great primer and calculator for screen size :

http://myhometheater.homestead.com/v...alculator.html
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Originally Posted by edfowler View Post

I would highly recommend the Seymour Center Stage screen by Chris seymour

Same here. SeymourAV 120"-wide 2.35 scope AT drop-down screen, panny 4000u, ~18ft throw, non-ideal multi-use room (latte walls, white ceiling), ~95% light controlled, sitting ~13.5 ft from screen... picture looks great in cinema1/normal-lamp, nice and bright at normal/normal-lamp. The picture is still acceptable in econo lamp mode, but I prefer my picture bright.

The auto-zoom is a great feature even with the annoying "processing" notice. IMHO, if you have the width for a scope screen, it is the only way to go... the immersive effect is addictive. The AT screen helps tremendously with the immersion, as all three front speakers are behind the screen.

fteixeira
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Originally Posted by Big Picture View Post

I watched some SD DVD's on the 4000 on a 134" wide 2.35 Scope screen today, the DVD player is an Oppo 83 outputing 10824/p. I was used to watching these DVD's on a 16:9 105" wide screen and was always pleased with the results. There is too much deatil lost on the 134" wide screen for my tastes. The Oppo 83 is one of the finest upscaling DVD players available.

There is just so much pixel density available on SD DVD's, Blu-rays of course look great on the 134" screen.

This leaves me rethinking what size screen to get for the 4000 as most of our HT viewing is Netflix SD DVD's. Bummer.

this brings up a question for me. i am considering going w/ a projector but know very little about them so i'm on a steep learning curve. given Big Picture's situation, could he zoom down to 100" while watching sd dvd's? i'm sure that's not a great solution but just want to know if it's doable w/ this projector.
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Originally Posted by deromax View Post

Here is a great primer and calculator for screen size :

http://myhometheater.homestead.com/v...alculator.html

good info!
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Originally Posted by Terminator840 View Post

I was hoping that someone would post some pics/screenshots of SD DVDs on a 2.35 scope screen. I would like to get a feel for what they look like.

You will be disappointed if you go with too big a screen when viewing SD DVD's. I noticed a considerable loss of detail at 134" wide Scope, 105" wide 16:9 looks good to me though. Zooming in SD DVD material is a good option. Zooming out to 2.35 loses 20% of available projector pixels and loses considerable brightness too.
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Originally Posted by Hughmc View Post

Yes, Sunday evening the price on their site was 1999.00. Then all day yesterday it was listed at 2099.00.

Hey what do yo know I got lucky, finally. Actually, I called B&H Sunday morning and they told me they didnt have any in stock at the store and that I either had to order it on the phone with him or go in the store and order it there so I can pick it up. I went to the store and I was amazed how many projectors they had there and they had the 4000 on display with an image being projected on the screen, which was sadly to say bad. So I told him I came to order it for pick up and he said I have 2 in stock, one is on hold for another customer but you can have the other one that made me . I thought he was joking. He said he had a feeling that someone was going to come in and ask for it, since they been selling a lot of them. So that is how I got mine, yes lucky. I also put him on to AVS Forum since, surprisingly, he had no knowledge of this site. So I am sure he is beating his head on this site now for hours upon hours.
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Originally Posted by grubadub View Post

could he zoom down to 100" while watching sd dvd's? i'm sure that's not a great solution but just want to know if it's doable w/ this projector.

Yes.
post #2998 of 8336
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Originally Posted by JHouse View Post

Careful. Don't start tweaking on a perfect picture just because somebody is willing to post suggestions. You can screw it up and then get used to it, and ruin your brain and your judgment.

I was just asking what standard the Waveform monitor auto adjust will calibrate itself to? using the auto adjust, the picture is different watching sports than if you were watching a movie or playing xbox.

Is this as good as it can get (looks killer already) or is there more that can be done?
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Originally Posted by Probe View Post

Kongfan, I assume you didn’t pursue the issue with Panasonic? I thought it was convergence as well until I came across this old post in the “Attention LCD Owners: Fix Your Color Uniformity Problems by Cleaning!” thread.

by Gazzagazza

“Just for any of you who have a colour tinge top and bottom... blue along bottom edge and yelowish on top edge... I had this and had Panasonic here have a look at it. They had to "re-seat the PBS array". This completely fixed the problem. The PBS array is the "polarising beam splitter" and I understand it is the large lens thing that sits closest to the lamp. The light passes through this first. The tech said he had seen a few with this problem and the PBS seems to move out of alignment for some reason - maybe heat -. Any way it was fixed without needing parts.”

Thanks Probe. I think that's a different problem. I'm told that when the blue polarizer goes bad, it creates a progressively growing yellow tint, and it might make sense that a merely mis-aligned polarizer could do what Gazzagazza describes. The problem I'm referring to, a blue/green tint opposite a magenta tint, in any direction, is a really common problem for LCDs, and particularly (according to what I've experienced/read over the last couple of years) a problem among Panasonic projectors. Cine4home calls it "shading" (albeit via Babelfish), and among the many posts on the subject I've followed, NOT A SINGLE ONE has reported it being successfully repaired. Cine4home and Art Feierman even took the uncommon step of assessing this particular aspect of performance in the AX200, and both happened to get pretty "clean" units. Sure enough, my AX200 was a stinker, with just about exactly the same degree of shift (though in a different direction) as my AE700. Though practically imperceptable in color images, it was glaring in black and white, particularly 16x9 images that incorporated the full panels and revealed the full panorama of the shift. Again, I'm unhappy to hear that it's still a potential bugaboo for the 4000 (3 mentions of it so far, that I've seen). I'm a skunk for suggesting it, but I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of 4000 owners put up a black & white (or all white) image to specifically assess the white continuity across their screens, only to find at least some degree of shift. I found it on all three Panasonics I've had in my possession and put through their paces. On the other hand, it would be nice (and faith-renewing) to hear observations to the contrary.
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