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post #391 of 8336
10/21/09 at 10:19pm
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Originally Posted by Mark II View Post

Can this projector can be rear shelf mounted? I know it can be ceiling mounted which would hang upside down. However, I do not find a specific answer in the manual in regard to this.

Mark II

My AE 3000 is shelf mounted 11 ft away from a 100" screen in a room that is 95% light controled during the day but I watch sports with the lights on. It's bright enough.
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post #392 of 8336
10/21/09 at 10:34pm
Bujee1

Thanks for the reply and after reading the manual further it does seem this projector can be mounted almost anywhere as SimonJB stated above.

I am remodeling my theater room and will be replacing my old trusty ($5000) Sony VW10HT which I had ceiling mounted. Although I have been very happy with it I look forward to a refresh.
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post #393 of 8336
10/22/09 at 2:54am
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Originally Posted by Smarty-pants View Post

Dave_1, try this one...
http://www.projectorcentral.com/Pana...ulator-pro.htm

If you are talking about a 104" diagonal 16:9 screen, with 12.6 feet between the lens and screen, then you should be good... right in the sweet spot actually.
As long as the "height" of the pj is within the limits of the the lens shift specifications, you should be perfectly fine.

Thanks for the reply. That calculator makes it look alot better. Now I just have to wait for the shootout & canadian price between the Mit 6800, Epson 8500 and the Panny 4000.(In that order) These are the ones that I have been waiting to see pro reviews and user feedback. Hoping the price on the Panny is not out to lunch as quoted for us north of the border.

Tks Dave
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post #394 of 8336
10/22/09 at 6:58am
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Originally Posted by TheSensFan View Post

Do LCD projectors suffer from the same issue LCD TVs do with fast moving sporting events? Where they do not refresh fast enough.

I have an old 4805 (DLP of course) and cannot say I ever had that issue.

Not sure, but I am also interested in this.
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post #395 of 8336
10/22/09 at 7:48am
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Originally Posted by MusicFirst View Post

Not sure, but I am also interested in this.

According to the Panasonic literature/brochure it does not or will be much improved.

http://www.visualapex.com/ProductSupport/PT-AE4000U.pdf
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post #396 of 8336
10/22/09 at 12:00pm
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Originally Posted by TheSensFan View Post

Do LCD projectors suffer from the same issue LCD TVs do with fast moving sporting events? Where they do not refresh fast enough.

I have an old 4805 (DLP of course) and cannot say I ever had that issue.

The short answer is yes. The long answer is ... It depends on which LCD TVs you are referring to. Older LCDs and current cheapo LCDs have bad motion smearing and blurring. The newest LCDs are much better, and the 120hz and 240hz modes help with sports ... but some people still notice and are annoyed by the motion smearing effect. Plasmas and DLPs are the best at handling motion, so its not surprising that you've never had that issue with your 4805. Of course, others have major issues with DLP rainbows, so there are tradeoffs both ways.
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post #397 of 8336
10/22/09 at 12:12pm
I am interested in this model, but have reservations due to past experience with a Panasonic AE700.

I bought an AE700 as a wedding gift for my sister in early 2006. Just past its warranty expiration it started the blue haze of death spiral -> weird blue haze -> blue spots -> blue blobs -> blue colored picture -> completely unwatchable... it is now a boat anchor.

From everything I have read this was caused by heat from the lamp damaging the blue lcd panel and/or the blue polarizer with Panasonic's sad excuses to an obviously poor design being that customers left the lamp on too high or used the projector too much.

In contrast, my lowly 5-6 year old Sony HS10 still works like a champ.

Has Panasonic (throughout the AEx000 series) overcome the flaws/mistakes that left purchasers of previous projector models watching the Smurfs no matter what content they attempted to view?
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post #398 of 8336
10/22/09 at 12:32pm
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Has Panasonic (throughout the AEx000 series) overcome the flaws/mistakes that left purchasers of previous projector models watching the Smurfs no matter what content they attempted to view?

From what I understand, it's believed by most that the use of inorganic LCD panels (which supposedly don't degrade due to heat and use like organic panels do) solves this problem. Obviously not many have had inorganic paneled projectors to use for 3-4 years, so their longevity has not been conclusively proven yet. I'm pretty optimistic though
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post #399 of 8336
10/22/09 at 4:11pm
I just pre-ordered my first projector, the ae 4000, for my spare bedroom. I have 100% light control in the room, but my walls and ceiling are an off white cream color. Will wall and ceiling color be critical to black levels? Can I get away with leaving the walls and ceiling the way they are? Is it critical the walls be absolutely black or can I get a way with putting up some large posters?
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post #400 of 8336
10/22/09 at 4:22pm
Yes you can get away with it. Repainting a darker color would definitely improve the image though. I wouldn't go black. A nice brown or maroon would do wonders.

-- jaydillyo
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post #401 of 8336
10/22/09 at 4:23pm
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Originally Posted by TheLonlyEngineer View Post

I just pre-ordered my first projector, the ae 4000, for my spare bedroom. I have 100% light control in the room, but my walls and ceiling are an off white cream color. Will wall and ceiling color be critical to black levels? Can I get away with leaving the walls and ceiling the way they are? Is it critical the walls be absolutely black or can I get a way with putting up some large posters?


With good light control you should be fine. I would at least give it a try before doing anything too dramatic. I also wouldn't resort to absolute black either....any darker color would be fine.
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post #402 of 8336
10/22/09 at 6:31pm
new review, and it isnt making the wait any easier

http://www.avforums.com/reviews/Pana...or-Review.html
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post #403 of 8336
10/22/09 at 9:25pm
Agreed, that review is not making the wait any easier. Thanks for the post though, I did enjoy how the video in the review showed the intelligent zoom working first hand.
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post #404 of 8336
10/23/09 at 6:49am
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Originally Posted by Bujee1 View Post

My AE 3000 is shelf mounted 11 ft away from a 100" screen in a room that is 95% light controled during the day but I watch sports with the lights on. It's bright enough.

Is there such a think as a projector being too bright, or can you always adjust the brightness down without compromising image quality/color/shadow details?

I ask because I plan to use the 4000 at 11 feet from an 84" wide 16:9 screen in a 100% light-controlled room. I plan to use it for movies, tv, and videogames. Will it burn my retinas or will it be ""?
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post #405 of 8336
10/23/09 at 6:52am
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Originally Posted by edpowers View Post

The short answer is yes. The long answer is ... It depends on which LCD TVs you are referring to. Older LCDs and current cheapo LCDs have bad motion smearing and blurring. The newest LCDs are much better, and the 120hz and 240hz modes help with sports ... but some people still notice and are annoyed by the motion smearing effect. Plasmas and DLPs are the best at handling motion, so its not surprising that you've never had that issue with your 4805. Of course, others have major issues with DLP rainbows, so there are tradeoffs both ways.

Oh and one other thing...I never thought about an lcd projector being different from an lcd tv. I see rainbows, so the cheaper DLPs are out of the question for me, but how will gaming be in the 4000? How much lag (in frames or milliseconds) should I expect and how much motion blur. I understand there is a game mode, but does that result in increased motion blur since the motion-assist features are turned off? Thanks
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post #406 of 8336
10/23/09 at 7:06am
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Originally Posted by Viche View Post

Is there such a think as a projector being too bright, or can you always adjust the brightness down without compromising image quality/color/shadow details?

I ask because I plan to use the 4000 at 11 feet from an 84" wide 16:9 screen in a 100% light-controlled room. I plan to use it for movies, tv, and videogames. Will it burn my retinas or will it be ""?

You can always use a high quality neutral density filter on the lens if it's too bright. That reduces light output without significantly affecting image quality. The cool thing is that it allows you to remove the filter in the later stages of lamp life for increased brightness. At that size, though, you may always need some level of filtering. I'm going to be doing exactly the same thing. Don't use the projector's contrast and brightness controls to make it dimmer. That would affect contrast.
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post #407 of 8336
10/23/09 at 7:12am
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Originally Posted by Joseph Clark View Post

You can always use a high quality neutral density filter on the lens if it's too bright. That reduces light output without significantly affecting image quality. The cool thing is that it allows you to remove the filter in the later stages of lamp life for increased brightness. At that size, though, you may always need some level of filtering. I'm going to be doing exactly the same thing. Don't use the projector's contrast and brightness controls to make it dimmer. That would affect contrast.

So even with all the brightness killing/black increasing, color correcting cinema, color 1, and eco-modes turned on the image will be too bright?

How exactly does the filter affect image quality. Would I be better getting another dimmer projector instead of using this one with a filter?

If you can point me in the direction of high-quality neutral density filter for this projector I'd also appreciate it.
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post #408 of 8336
10/23/09 at 7:52am
any updates on shippping status from PP?

I was told they were shipping yesterday from overseas but I assume they are goign to PP first and not drop shipping.
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post #409 of 8336
10/23/09 at 7:58am
I have pretty much decied that I am going to get one of these for the new home theater. But does any one know what pricing does on these things after a couple of months? I already see some prices going up over what the PP are selling them at. I don't mind buying now if that is going to be the best price, but if I am not going to beable to use this for 6 months what does that do for any return policy for a bad unit?
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post #410 of 8336
10/23/09 at 8:12am
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Originally Posted by Viche View Post

So even with all the brightness killing/black increasing, color correcting cinema, color 1, and eco-modes turned on the image will be too bright?

How exactly does the filter affect image quality. Would I be better getting another dimmer projector instead of using this one with a filter?

If you can point me in the direction of high-quality neutral density filter for this projector I'd also appreciate it.

The effect on image quality would be trivial and most likely imperceptible. Tiffen makes quality filters, as do several other manufacturers. You have to know the thread size of the projector's lens. (I don't know what it is on the 4000.)

Too bright is an easy problem to fix. Too dim isn't. Don't even think about getting a dimmer projector because you think the 4000 might be too bright for the room. Someone might want a different projector for any number of other reasons, but that shouldn't be one of them. As I said, the good thing about having to filter a projector is that you get a "free" lamp later, when the brightness drops due to the lamp's normal aging. Take off the filter and you give your projector's brightness a goose. You may have to recalibrate because of age related color shifting, but you'll have the extra brightness to play with simply by removing the filter.

The image may not be too bright for that screen. No one actually owns this projector yet. Still, a short throw and a small screen may mean you will need to filter the lens. You might not want to, though. You'll just have to get it in the room and see how you like it.
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post #411 of 8336
10/23/09 at 8:31am
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Originally Posted by Joseph Clark View Post


Too bright is an easy problem to fix. Too dim isn't.

Yeah! Agreed 100%. I wiish every projector was "too bright"! Really looking forward to some reviews on this one from some people. Having had the 1000 and 2000 (and liking them) I can't wait to see this one.
Best,
Chris
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post #412 of 8336
10/23/09 at 8:32am
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Originally Posted by Mopar_Mudder View Post

I have pretty much decied that I am going to get one of these for the new home theater. But does any one know what pricing does on these things after a couple of months? I already see some prices going up over what the PP are selling them at. I don't mind buying now if that is going to be the best price, but if I am not going to beable to use this for 6 months what does that do for any return policy for a bad unit?

I would advise against buying it 6 months before you start using it. Prices are likely to stabilize or go down as production ramps up and more units are available. Your warranty starts from the date of purchase, so why "give away" six months of it? I doubt any vendors will be willing to accept a return after six months, even if you haven't used it yet.
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post #413 of 8336
10/23/09 at 8:34am
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Originally Posted by Joseph Clark View Post

The effect on image quality would be trivial and most likely imperceptible. Tiffen makes quality filters, as do several other manufacturers. You have to know the thread size of the projector's lens. (I don't know what it is on the 4000.)

Too bright is an easy problem to fix. Too dim isn't. Don't even think about getting a dimmer projector because you think the 4000 might be too bright for the room. Someone might want a different projector for any number of other reasons, but that shouldn't be one of them. As I said, the good thing about having to filter a projector is that you get a "free" lamp later, when the brightness drops due to the lamp's normal aging. Take off the filter and you give your projector's brightness a goose. You may have to recalibrate because of age related color shifting, but you'll have the extra brightness to play with simply by removing the filter.

The image may not be too bright for that screen. No one actually owns this projector yet. Still, a short throw and a small screen may mean you will need to filter the lens. You might not want to, though. You'll just have to get it in the room and see how you like it.


Excellent explanation. Thanks!
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post #414 of 8336
10/23/09 at 8:46am
In case anyone was interested, I found an answer to my question regarding how this projector handled 24p material with the frame creation turned off.

From the AVforums review:

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With Frame Creation turned off simple duplication of frames are used instead of interpolated ones, so in the case of 24p material each frame is repeated three times after the original.

That's the comfort I was looking for The only other thing I need to research more is the contrast performance compared to other projectors out there. My theater room is a true batcave and I am looking for a very high-contrast image in a full light-controlled room.

Russell
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post #415 of 8336
10/23/09 at 8:50am
I'm curious (AE3000 owners out there) what you think about shadow detail. I'd also like to know if most people are using the dynamic iris. I've only seen a couple of DI systems. I saw one on a Sanyo that I didn't care for at all. It was very obvious when it changed. I don't care what it did for black levels, it just wasn't worth it. How's the DI on the 3000?
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post #416 of 8336
10/23/09 at 9:07am
I have the DI turned on all the time on my 3000 and have never noticed it "in action".
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post #417 of 8336
10/23/09 at 9:21am
oops, wrong thread
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post #418 of 8336
10/23/09 at 11:26am
Does anybody know if the lens memory function is affected by horizontal lens shift?

I don't HAVE to use the horizontal shift but it would allow me to put the projector in the absolute best location if it were about 12" left of center.(13'6" throw)

Just curious if anyone has any experience with this?

Thanks in advance.
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post #419 of 8336
10/23/09 at 11:42am
Not sure if you all are aware, but here is the panasonic site for this projector, which has an excellent calcuator re: screen size, lens shift, etc.



http://www.panasonic.net/avc/projector/products/ae4000/
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post #420 of 8336
10/23/09 at 11:47am
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Originally Posted by Maestro J View Post

I have the DI turned on all the time on my 3000 and have never noticed it "in action".

+1. I only notice it when, working with my PC, I open / close windows. Also, I hear no noise from the iris.
Shadow detail: very good to excellent.
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