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post #8161 of 8336
6/5/12 at 12:54am
Very cool, however MSRP is $2,499.00
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post #8162 of 8336
6/6/12 at 11:13am
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Thanks for the info Jason


Would you say the difference in non-3D image quality is marginal between the 7000 and 4000? In other words, if I dont want 3D, would I just be wasting my money on a 7000?

Ask and you shall receive, someone just listed an AE4000 in the classifieds (grab it quick). wink.gif

Jason
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post #8163 of 8336
6/6/12 at 11:56am
Yes, it will go fast!
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post #8164 of 8336
6/6/12 at 10:12pm
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Yes, it will go fast!

I think it's gone frown.gif
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post #8165 of 8336
6/8/12 at 2:18am
I'm not going to put this in the classifieds, because its not really a working projector. But I'll list it here in case anyone wants a project.

As you remember, my 4000 was hit by lighting. Heartland sent back an estimate to replace the pc board in it. I'm not going to make the repair. If anyone has an interest in it, PM me. smile.gif
Edited by tony123 - 6/8/12 at 3:02am
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post #8166 of 8336
6/10/12 at 1:22pm

I recently got a Harmony One from Best Buy for cheap because they screwed up and priced it wrong for weekend sale(cool.gif).  I would not have chosed this model if I had not happened on this killer deal. 

 

Anyways I wanted to know if anyone used this remote and if so if youve figured out a one button solution to set the lens memory.  I went into the "add sequence" to add keystrokes to set the lens memory but there is not enough events in the sequence to set the lens.

 

There is not a discrete code on the logitech software to set the lens either.

 

Anyone solved this?

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post #8167 of 8336
6/10/12 at 7:17pm
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I recently got a Harmony One from Best Buy for cheap because they screwed up and priced it wrong for weekend sale(cool.gif ).  I would not have chosed this model if I had not happened on this killer deal. 

Anyways I wanted to know if anyone used this remote and if so if youve figured out a one button solution to set the lens memory.  I went into the "add sequence" to add keystrokes to set the lens memory but there is not enough events in the sequence to set the lens.

There is not a discrete code on the logitech software to set the lens either.

Anyone solved this?

I have the 900 (RF Version w/o the sequences) and I just ended up putting some soft buttons on a page. (Lens, Enter, Return, Up, Down). I go to that screen and zoom the lens, watch the movie then zoom back out.
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post #8168 of 8336
6/11/12 at 4:29am
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Originally Posted by NicksHitachi View Post

I recently got a Harmony One from Best Buy for cheap because they screwed up and priced it wrong for weekend sale(cool.gif ).  I would not have chosed this model if I had not happened on this killer deal. 

Anyways I wanted to know if anyone used this remote and if so if youve figured out a one button solution to set the lens memory.  I went into the "add sequence" to add keystrokes to set the lens memory but there is not enough events in the sequence to set the lens.

There is not a discrete code on the logitech software to set the lens either.

Anyone solved this?

I have the 900 (RF Version w/o the sequences) and I just ended up putting some soft buttons on a page. (Lens, Enter, Return, Up, Down). I go to that screen and zoom the lens, watch the movie then zoom back out.

Yeah, thats what I was doing too.  I did find that if you hit the lens button twice, it brings you directly to the lens memory load screen, you you then just select and exit.  I was able to program a toggle command which will switch it from whatever memory your on to the other with one button.  I only use two memory settings.

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post #8169 of 8336
6/11/12 at 7:41am
You need to do this http://www.avsforum.com/t/1206105/panny-pt-ae4000u-over-rs232

Then you don't need to go into the menus at all, one button to call up memory
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post #8170 of 8336
6/11/12 at 8:29am
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You need to do this http://www.avsforum.com/t/1206105/panny-pt-ae4000u-over-rs232

Then you don't need to go into the menus at all, one button to call up memory

Thanks, I agree a RS232 bridge is the ultimate way to go.  I especially like the Global Cache stuff......  I was able to make it work on the harmony one with one button, by setting up a macro that toggles the aspect.  However like the auto-function it only works for two aspect ratios.  I only use two since anything that spills on the velvet is not noticeable to me......

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6/11/12 at 4:19pm
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Originally Posted by Mopar_Mudder View Post

You need to do this http://www.avsforum.com/t/1206105/panny-pt-ae4000u-over-rs232
Then you don't need to go into the menus at all, one button to call up memory

Well that is interesting, may have to tackle that one. Thanks for the link and of course the AVS'er (VirTERM) that was kind enough to go through the process and share the info. wink.gif

Jason

Edited by DaGamePimp - 6/12/12 at 2:38pm
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post #8172 of 8336
6/12/12 at 10:16am
A few days ago i saw my friends RS40 in action. I must say the black levels/contrast did not blow me away. In fact I could not tell the difference between the RS40, Epson 8700, and the AE4000. I really though the RS40 would make me regret buying the AE4000 but to my surprise the AE4000 stands up quite nicely.
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post #8173 of 8336
6/12/12 at 2:29pm
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A few days ago i saw my friends RS40 in action. I must say the black levels/contrast did not blow me away. In fact I could not tell the difference between the RS40, Epson 8700, and the AE4000. I really though the RS40 would make me regret buying the AE4000 but to my surprise the AE4000 stands up quite nicely.

Actually there is no comparison, unless the JVC was on a HiPower and the AE4000 was on a negative gain gray screen or the JVC was not in a proper room. The RS40/45 bests the AE4000 on absolute black level (all other environment aspects being equal, room/screen/light control/etc.). Even with the lens AP wide open the JVC is still better at black level versus the AE4000 with dynamic iris clamped down and the real world contrast is also in JVC's favor by a decent margin. The 8700ub also bests the AE4000 on absolute black level (full field black). Where the AE4000 excels is producing a very flim like image (for an LCD), it has an excellent dynamic iris and FI mode (mode 1). I am not saying the AE4000 has horrible black level, it's just that the others mentioned are better, I have an AE4000 here so no bias, just being honest. wink.gif

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6/12/12 at 2:53pm
I think that the problem is that we are at a point where you can measure a difference with a meter but not see that diffence with the eye. I know alot of the reviews I read showing comarison photos I can see no diffrence in them but other say they can. As the tech gets better evey year it is a smaller percecnt of people that can actually see the "better" performance by the projects that do better on the meter.Diminishing returns
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6/12/12 at 3:27pm
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I think that the problem is that we are at a point where you can measure a difference with a meter but not see that diffence with the eye. I know alot of the reviews I read showing comarison photos I can see no diffrence in them but other say they can. As the tech gets better evey year it is a smaller percecnt of people that can actually see the "better" performance by the projects that do better on the meter.Diminishing returns

Well on certain aspects that would be true but in the case of black level the difference is pretty obvious regarding the newer JVC's versus most everything else (especially in the sub $3k range). wink.gif

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post #8176 of 8336
6/12/12 at 5:02pm
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I think that the problem is that we are at a point where you can measure a difference with a meter but not see that diffence with the eye. I know alot of the reviews I read showing comarison photos I can see no diffrence in them but other say they can. As the tech gets better evey year it is a smaller percecnt of people that can actually see the "better" performance by the projects that do better on the meter.Diminishing returns

I agree with you and would also add that there are differences that are discernable, but only in a fast A/B comparison. What we are constantly asked to accept when reading reviews, including in A/V magazines and "professional" sites, is the notion that the reviewer has some sort of "photographic memory" for the products he or she is comparing one to another. That's complete B.S.; don't fall for it! What they are comparing is their subjective memory of the previous product,, not their actual sensory experience directly, and such memories are bound to be distorted and shaped by expectation biases and other important factors.

To people who say "Oh no, you are wrong, I can perfectly recall exactly what my friend's power amplifier sounds like and mine's better." I say "Whatever, dude."
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6/13/12 at 8:02am
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Actually there is no comparison, unless the JVC was on a HiPower and the AE4000 was on a negative gain gray screen or the JVC was not in a proper room. The RS40/45 bests the AE4000 on absolute black level (all other environment aspects being equal, room/screen/light control/etc.). Even with the lens AP wide open the JVC is still better at black level versus the AE4000 with dynamic iris clamped down and the real world contrast is also in JVC's favor by a decent margin. The 8700ub also bests the AE4000 on absolute black level (full field black). Where the AE4000 excels is producing a very flim like image (for an LCD), it has an excellent dynamic iris and FI mode (mode 1). I am not saying the AE4000 has horrible black level, it's just that the others mentioned are better, I have an AE4000 here so no bias, just being honest. wink.gif
Jason

i think for a normal human the difference is almost insignificant. I'm sure the JVC does better blacks but it really didn't BLOW my mind like how people say it would. This was especially true with regards to the 'black' bars on the top/bottom of the screen. I was BLOWN away that the JVC still produced grey not black bars. By the way the movie in question was Dark Knight.
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post #8178 of 8336
6/13/12 at 11:54am
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i think for a normal human the difference is almost insignificant. I'm sure the JVC does better blacks but it really didn't BLOW my mind like how people say it would. This was especially true with regards to the 'black' bars on the top/bottom of the screen. I was BLOWN away that the JVC still produced grey not black bars. By the way the movie in question was Dark Knight.

'Grey' bars would mean improper calibration, improper room / light control, high gain screen or any combination. It's not as if the JVC's do CRT absolute black, obviously they cannot, but when comparing other projectors JVC exceeds most others in this area by a decent margin.

The AE4000 throws a great image but it cannot directly compete with the newer JVC's in many areas (black level, on/off contrast, best calibrated lumens).

I just set up a JVC X30 this past Saturday for a local friend and full field black in his dedicated HT was fantastic, it was so good in fact that the edges of the (full field black) image could barely be seen when we were not filling the entire screen.

Now obviously personal preferences will come in to play and if one prefers the 'look' of the AE4000 then that is perfectly understandable. I honestly prefer the look of DLP to any other digital projection tech so I am not tossing about biased (pro JVC) comments here, I am simply being honest. smile.gif

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6/13/12 at 12:23pm
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'Grey' bars would mean improper calibration, improper room / light control, high gain screen or any combination. It's not as if the JVC's do CRT absolute black, obviously they cannot, but when comparing other projectors JVC exceeds most others in this area by a decent margin.
The AE4000 throws a great image but it cannot directly compete with the newer JVC's in many areas (black level, on/off contrast, best calibrated lumens).
I just set up a JVC X30 this past Saturday for a local friend and full field black in his dedicated HT was fantastic, it was so good in fact that the edges of the (full field black) image could barely be seen when we were not filling the entire screen.
Now obviously personal preferences will come in to play and if one prefers the 'look' of the AE4000 then that is perfectly understandable. I honestly prefer the look of DLP to any other digital projection tech so I am not tossing about biased (pro JVC) comments here, I am simply being honest. smile.gif
Jason

I guess to me the 'decent margin' was nothing to write home about. I guess with a full blown professional calibration and painting all walls black then my friends JVC may have blown me away. But for most normal humans that just isnt going to happen.
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post #8180 of 8336
6/13/12 at 6:10pm
Just a heads up, I just listed a Panny 4000 for sale in the classified section. Only 2 hours on the lamp. Check it out if you're interested. Thanks.
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6/14/12 at 8:07am
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Just a heads up, I just listed a Panny 4000 for sale in the classified section. Only 2 hours on the lamp. Check it out if you're interested. Thanks.

that quite expensive. But i guess supply is so low or non-existant that market price is more than it was last year
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post #8182 of 8336
6/14/12 at 8:14am
You got a PM^
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post #8183 of 8336
6/14/12 at 10:46am
Looks like pj's are now going 3d? I guess...not a fan of 3d but just a way to justify prices....I still own and still currently using my bought new AE900 from 2005! I have around 1600 hours on the lamp. Not sure how much longer the lamp will last but it still is doing its job!

I like the panny link that shows the evolution of pj's...

http://panasonic.net/avc/projector/special/home_cinema_projector/index.html

Let me ask...being that my eyes have not seen another newer model....has the picture quality really improved to justify buying a new one?

Steve.
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6/14/12 at 11:27am
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Looks like pj's are now going 3d? I guess...not a fan of 3d but just a way to justify prices....I still own and still currently using my bought new AE900 from 2005! I have around 1600 hours on the lamp. Not sure how much longer the lamp will last but it still is doing its job!
I like the panny link that shows the evolution of pj's...
http://panasonic.net/avc/projector/special/home_cinema_projector/index.html
Let me ask...being that my eyes have not seen another newer model....has the picture quality really improved to justify buying a new one?
Steve.

Just the fact that you are going from 720 to a 1080 image is a big leap not to mension other benifits.
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6/14/12 at 2:03pm
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Looks like pj's are now going 3d? I guess...not a fan of 3d but just a way to justify prices....I still own and still currently using my bought new AE900 from 2005! I have around 1600 hours on the lamp. Not sure how much longer the lamp will last but it still is doing its job!
I like the panny link that shows the evolution of pj's...
http://panasonic.net/avc/projector/special/home_cinema_projector/index.html
Let me ask...being that my eyes have not seen another newer model....has the picture quality really improved to justify buying a new one?
Steve.

A projector on the level of the AE4000 (or better) will best the AE900 by a substantial margin and be very obvious when doing so.

Jason
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6/15/12 at 8:51am
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...I still own and still currently using my bought new AE900 from 2005! I have around 1600 hours on the lamp.
Let me ask...being that my eyes have not seen another newer model....has the picture quality really improved to justify buying a new one?
Steve.

It would depend on many factors. Depending on viewing distance, screen size, and source material quality, the improved resolution may be imperceptible to the naked eye. Even if it is discernible, whether it is worth thousands of dollars to get it is a subjective call and depends on your financial situation and frugality.

Do you own any 1080p resolution TVs, perhaps in other rooms? If when viewing them you notice details which are obscured on your AE900, and visual acuity charts indicate that based on your screen size and viewing distance the improvement by using 1080p theoretically has merit, then assuming you can afford it, then I'd say "go for it". If not, I'd say, "Save your money".

There are also improvements in black level, color accuracy, etc., but in my mind they pale in importance to the resolution issue. The 900 was/is a fine product.
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6/15/12 at 12:15pm
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...I like the panny link that shows the evolution of pj's...
http://panasonic.net/avc/projector/special/home_cinema_projector/index.html...
Steve.

Did you all read the note below the chart that enumerates the discontinued models and the AE4000 is not on it?
Guess that it's an old page smile.gif
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6/16/12 at 6:57am
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Originally Posted by DaGamePimp View Post

A projector on the level of the AE4000 (or better) will best the AE900 by a substantial margin and be very obvious when doing so.
Jason

Yeah, a used AE900 was my very first projector. I thought it was very nice, but was blown away when I got my AE4000. Even a football game 720p TV feed looked better on the AE4000, and for Blu-ray is was a night & day improvement.
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6/16/12 at 7:45am
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Originally Posted by CochiseGuy View Post

Yeah, a used AE900 was my very first projector. I thought it was very nice, but was blown away when I got my AE4000. Even a football game 720p TV feed looked better on the AE4000...

So much for material looking best without any scaling artifacts and being presented on a screen with the same native resolution as the material!
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post #8190 of 8336
6/17/12 at 2:09pm
Has anyone gotten a warranty card back from panasonic for extending the warranty from 1 year to 2 years? Its been 3 months and I haven't gotten anything back from them, although they did send me the rebate check.
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