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post #8281 of 8492
Simple math. If you pay $2000 for a projector and use it for 200 hours, your cost per hour was $10. If you use it for 2000 hours, you're down to $1 per hour. I look at it like one person paid 10 times more than the other to use their projector. Let's figure in a new bulb at $300 for another 2000 hours. So now you're at your initial $2k plus $300 = $2300, but use it for the entire 4,000 hours and you're down to .57 cents an hour for usage! Is my math flawed?

I was trying to state that using your projector is cheaper than not using it. Yes, it cost more money, but what is the reason for owning a projector? Having expensive electronics aging in the closet? or watching programming? It's too expensive NOT to use it!

Explain your reasoning for buying an additional $650 projector? You could have bought two more bulbs with that money and had 4,000 additional hours on your AE4000. All those hours watched at higher quality. Respectfully, I must be missing something.redface.gif
post #8282 of 8492
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Originally Posted by tony123 View Post

Simple math. If you pay $2000 for a projector and use it for 200 hours, your cost per hour was $10. If you use it for 2000 hours, you're down to $1 per hour. I look at it like one person paid 10 times more than the other to use their projector!.. Is my math flawed?

Sorry, yes, your math is flawed because after those first 200 hours of use the projector doesn't stop working, you continue to use it. If one foolishly decides that after 200 hours of use pjs should be discarded or no longer used, for some odd reason i can't think of, then what you wrote makes sense.
Edited by m. zillch - 12/18/12 at 12:31am
post #8283 of 8492
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Originally Posted by tony123 View Post

Explain your reasoning for buying an additional $650 projector? You could have bought two more bulbs with that money and had 4,000 additional hours on your AE4000. All those hours watched at higher quality. Respectfully, I must be missing something.redface.gif

He is using the cheap one , which he puts his major mileage on, as a "beater".
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=beater

Pjs eventually breakdown from hours of use, even ignoring the inevitable bulb replacements one has to incur. Buying a new $650 one every 5 years is better than buying a $2000 one every 5 years, plus for special occassions he has a nice, cherry, low mileage $2000 one to show off.
post #8284 of 8492
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Originally Posted by m. zillch View Post

Sorry, yes, your math is flawed because after those first 200 hours of use the projector doesn't stop working. If one foolishly decides that after 200 hours of use pjs should be discarded, for some odd reason, then what you wrote makes sense.

eek.gif....I pray that this comment is trolling and not a serious thought process.
post #8285 of 8492
wow, I just don't get it, getting nice room, nice projector, but not watching rolleyes.gif
I use it my P4000 non stop to watch the best quality I can, and still only have 680., in 1.5years., but to each is own I guess.
post #8286 of 8492
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Originally Posted by CochiseGuy View Post

I don't quite get how the cost per hour is less if you use the projector a lot, the cost per hour should always be the same, it's the cost per day/week/month that would vary.
You are correct, and your use of a less expensive design for less critical applications, as a "beater", makes perfect sense too, from an economical perspective.
post #8287 of 8492
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Originally Posted by yourtoys7 View Post

wow, I just don't get it, getting nice room, nice projector, but not watching rolleyes.gif
I use it my P4000 non stop to watch the best quality I can, and still only have 680., in 1.5years., but to each is own I guess.

So that's about 453 hours per year. A typical American watches almost 4 times as much, on average more than 1768 hours of live TV per year plus hundreds of additional hours for recorded programs. (156 to 312, on average)

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv-movies/americans-spend-34-hours-week-watching-tv-nielsen-numbers-article-1.1162285

Perhaps if bulbs cost you 4 times as much, per year, compared to your current consumption, it would seem to make more sense.smile.gif
Edited by m. zillch - 12/18/12 at 12:34am
post #8288 of 8492
I guess I didn't explain myself like I thought I had. The 200 hours was hypothetical. Simply illustrating a person that doesn't use it much. Pick whatever number you want. In addition, how many times have you heard of a projector "wearing out"? I've used the snot out of every one I've had and never a problem. My Dad has 6000 hours on his AE900 now.

Hey, to each his own, no further arguement from me. I figure that by using mine I get a better value. smile.gif
Edited by tony123 - 12/18/12 at 3:57am
post #8289 of 8492
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Originally Posted by m. zillch View Post

So that's about 453 hours per year. A typical American watches almost 4 times as much, on average more than 1768 hours of live TV per year plus hundreds of additional hours for recorded programs. (156 to 312, on average)
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv-movies/americans-spend-34-hours-week-watching-tv-nielsen-numbers-article-1.1162285
Perhaps if bulbs cost you 4 times as much, per year, compared to your current consumption, it would seem to make more sense.smile.gif

I'll try this again, I invested in a ht room/ projector to enjoy the BIG screen and I use it all the time. Not sure where you these numbers, but in any case not everyone can have a HT room, but if you can/ do might as well enjoy it to the fullest. I'm not saying I'm right, but just stating my opinion. Do what ever makes you happy...
post #8290 of 8492
How many hours does everyone have on there Pt-AE4000u now? Im at 1989hrs on total eco-mode the whole time. What is the best place to buy a OEM bulb and best deals?
post #8291 of 8492
From what I understand you should have about another 1,000 hours left, give or take, based on the fact that you use eco-mode. Granted I'm only at about 500 hours on eco-mode after 2 years so I don't know for sure how long you have left. And sorry, I don't know where the best place to get a new bulb would be. But again, you shouldn't need to worry about that just yet unless you've noticed dimming...
post #8292 of 8492
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Originally Posted by briandaniella View Post

How many hours does everyone have on there Pt-AE4000u now? Im at 1989hrs on total eco-mode the whole time. What is the best place to buy a OEM bulb and best deals?

i just put mine back up last week after a 16 month hiatus thanks moving into a new house. noticed as i was setting everything up that i'm only at ~350 hours. purchased feb. 2010. apparently i was really under-utilizing it in my old house. gonna have to make sure that doesn't happen again biggrin.gif
post #8293 of 8492
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Originally Posted by briandaniella View Post

What is the best place to buy a OEM bulb and best deals?

ProVantage.

Jason
post #8294 of 8492
Wow I wish mine had 350 hr. I bought mine the exact time you did. Total under used. I actually cannot see the light out put dimming yet and I only run mine on eco-mode. Ususally cant see what I am missing until I put a new bulb in.. I replaced the bulb on my Sony Rear Projection LCD 4 year ago and I could not believe the difference. I told myself I was watching it this way all this time. I wish had the extra cash to buy the new PT-AE8000U or the Epson 5020 they are such a set up.. But I have to say I have been so happy with mine all these years, still such a great Projector. They sell used now for about $800 range.
post #8295 of 8492
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Originally Posted by DaGamePimp View Post

ProVantage.

Jason
I didnt see the PT-AE4000u model on that website do they stil carry it?
post #8296 of 8492
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Originally Posted by briandaniella View Post

I didnt see the PT-AE4000u model on that website do they stil carry it?

https://www.provantage.com/panasonic-et-lae4000~7PANP0H0.htm

Looks like it is currently backordered however, sorry. wink.gif

Jason
post #8297 of 8492
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Originally Posted by briandaniella View Post

I didnt see the PT-AE4000u model on that website do they stil carry it?


What do you think about Apex Lamps? https://www.apexlamps.com/index.php?route=product/product&&product_id=1546
Cost $260.00
post #8298 of 8492
No experience with them but as long as you are sure you are getting the actual OEM Panasonic lamp you should be fine, the OEM comes with a new filter in the box.

Jason
post #8299 of 8492
"Actual, genuine, factory OEM bulb, in generic housing" would scare me off. You aren't buying a PANASONIC product.

Sure, if you take their word for it, how should the plastic housing around the , *Ahem*, "exact same" bulb matter? The thing is, I don't take their word for it.

Plus if you buy a real PANASONIC bulb you also get a brand new filter assembly, which is a good idea to change at the same time. Not just the foam pad mind you, but the whole thing including the HEPA filter stage.

P.S. If you were to look in my medicine cabinet, you would see I'm generally a strong believer in buying "generic", wherever possible. This is not one of those categories, however.

The plastic housing costs next to nothing compared to the bulb itself, so the notion that "we can charge so much less, even though we use the same bulbs, because we make the plastic around it " doesn't hold water with me.
Edited by m. zillch - 2/7/13 at 12:18am
post #8300 of 8492
Hello all. How many years do you think we should expect replacement lamps to be available for a discontinued projector? I intend to hold on my 4000 for some time and would hate to be unable to purchase replacement lamps into the future.

I must have about 1700 hours on my original lamp, normal power mode.
post #8301 of 8492
When the 2000 series lamp isnt around anymore it can be a good time to buy an extra lamp.
post #8302 of 8492
My understanding is generally big name companies, like Panasonic, feel obligated to provide replacement parts for a product for seven years after production stops. I don't think this is a law, however, but rather an industry trend.

Here is an example of Sony's position. I can't currently find an equivalent document for Panasonic, however if I do I'll post a link. Please, anyone else, post as well.
Edited by m. zillch - 2/7/13 at 8:22am
post #8303 of 8492
Here is a similar statement, however it is regarding their Toughbook computers:

"In addition to industry-leading technical support, Panasonic offers parts availability for all repairs up to seven years after a model is discontinued"

Hmmm, "up to"?rolleyes.gif
post #8304 of 8492
Good news then! Thanks!
post #8305 of 8492
What does anyone know about this company? Say OEM?


http://www.projectorquest.com/index.php/catalog/product/view/id/7538
post #8306 of 8492
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Originally Posted by briandaniella View Post

What does anyone know about this company? Say OEM?


http://www.projectorquest.com/index.php/catalog/product/view/id/7538

That is not the actual OEM it is an OEM equivalent.

Jason
post #8307 of 8492
Uh oh! The dreaded "Replace lamp" message has made an unsolicited appearance yesterday! smile.gif 1800 hrs on original lamp, normal power.
post #8308 of 8492
Are you sure that's not an automatic message? I know on my ViewSonic, it started advising lamp replacement at about 40% of the expected life. I ignored and it's still going strong 1,000 hours later. Unless you are noticing degradation, I'd ignore. Just my dos centavos.
post #8309 of 8492
It's an automatic message on every projector. It's a counter that runs when the projector is on, nothing more.
post #8310 of 8492
Order a replacement (try ProVantage), replace the bulb, and you'll be amazed at how much brightness you get back. It's a good way to spend $300.

Mike
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