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post #8281 of 8336
12/14/12 at 5:39am
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Originally Posted by m. zillch View Post

OK, you owe me one.smile.gif

My room is 79 degrees F (measured just under the pj). First I checked the mode I was in, which is not what most people use: High Altitude ON [prolongs bulb life] Lamp power ECO-Mode [improves blacks]. Some of the values flicker between two values, but I'm only reporting one of them:

Freshly turned on, about 30 seconds from hitting "Power On:

INTK: 164
EXST: 151
FLTR: 163

20 minutes later, I assume at a state of thermal equalibrium:

INTK: 163
EXST: 102
FLTR: 165

I then took a break at let the pj cool down (off) for half an hour or so.

I then tested the more common use setup, High Altitude OFF and Lamp Power Normal. Again, some values flickered. From freshly powered on:

INTK: 166
EXST: 158
FLTR: 168

20 minutes later, I assume at a state of thermal equalibrium:

INTK: 163
EXST: 109
FLTR: 169

NOTE: These values aren't Farenheight or Celcius, I don't know what they are, but it seems they have a numerical value of "0-255" (2 to the power of 8) and lower numbers are HOTTER values. I would assume "163-166" is close to my 79 degrees F room temperature.

Interestingly there seems to be little variation based on the changed modes, in fact "High Altitude/ECO-mode" seems hotter at the exhaust port after 20 min.

Let us know if you find a way to translate these figures to what we commonly use (temperature scales, that is).

Hmm I finally checked my numbers and they don't match with yours at all......

Just powered on temperatures:

INTK: 24
EXST: 30
FLTR: 130

After running 2hrs

INTK: 25
EXHST: 52
FLTR: 137

Does anyone else have numbers on heat sensors?

Here's how to check if you don't know:

  1. Hit power toggle
  2. Press Right on Directional pad to highlight "cancel"
  3. Press Up, Down, Up, Down, Enter
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post #8282 of 8336
12/14/12 at 8:19am
The 4000 must generate some degree of heat even when off. [Some circuitry must remain energized so the IR incoming signal will activate it, for example].

Yours does seem hot. Have you tried inserting a normal thermometer inside your hush box to see what sort of real world temperatures occur, both while the 4000 is idle as well as on?
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post #8283 of 8336
12/14/12 at 9:07am
The ventilation fan is thermostatically controlled and the box internal temp never gets above ambient!!!!???
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post #8284 of 8336
12/16/12 at 1:57pm
Hey everyone

Last Feb 2012 I had my Panny AE 4000 up for sale here for $1500 at the time. It only has a few hundred hrs on it but it never sold.

I never got to use it as much as I would like because it was in Living room and didn't want to watch everyday TV on it and use up Lamp Life.

I watched 85% TV and maybe %15 Projector and only had a 40" TV for everyday viewing and wanted a Mits 73" so that's why I was selling it. It never
sold but I did buy my Mits 73' with my tax return. smile.gif

I was going to move this past Summer but that never happened so I'm thinking about pulling out the
AE4000 and hooking it up again being I will be stuck here for another year or more frown.gif

I figure I better get some use out of it before it becomes a relic and 4K is dirt cheap.


Anyway the panny has been packed up in it's original box for almost a year now. It's been in a pretty decent size closet
in my place and has never been moved for almost an entire year.

I will clean the filter of course like I always did at 100 hrs but I'm wondering if maybe I should clean the panels
or pull out the lamp and clean around in there.

Should I take any special steps before powering this baby up ?


Edit: Ooops..It's just been brought to my attention that it was Feb of 2011 not 2012 so it's been packed away for almost 2 years..yikes !
Edited by Blue Rain - 12/16/12 at 2:03pm
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post #8285 of 8336
12/16/12 at 3:26pm
USE IT! NOW! Don't shy from lamp life either. The cost per hour gets very expensive if you only use a few hundred hours a year. Use the snot out of it and buy a replacement bulb and use the snot out of that too! Your cost per hour will go way down and you'll be doing what you got it for, right? smile.gif
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post #8286 of 8336
12/17/12 at 7:38am
I don't quite get how the cost per hour is less if you use the projector a lot, the cost per hour should always be the same, it's the cost per day/week/month that would vary. My 4k is 3 years old and only has 1700 hours on it. I run a projector almost daily, just not the 4k. I had a Panny 2k when I bought the 4k, and I decided that rather than sell it for 1/4th of what I paid for it I'd keep it and use it for TV sports & DVD and save the 4k for blu-ray only. That worked out well but when I upgraded to a 110" screen from a 96" screen the difference in 720p & 1080p was too noticeable, so last year I bought an Epson 8100 1080p pj on closeout for $650 and sold the Panny2k. It's perfect for TV & DVD and even some BDs and the 4k gets only casual use. I probably won't have to replace the lamp until well in to year 4.

And Blue Rain, you don't have to do anything special, the power up sequence is the same for the projector whether it was last used yesterday or 2 years ago. Enjoy it!
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post #8287 of 8336
12/17/12 at 8:14am
Simple math. If you pay $2000 for a projector and use it for 200 hours, your cost per hour was $10. If you use it for 2000 hours, you're down to $1 per hour. I look at it like one person paid 10 times more than the other to use their projector. Let's figure in a new bulb at $300 for another 2000 hours. So now you're at your initial $2k plus $300 = $2300, but use it for the entire 4,000 hours and you're down to .57 cents an hour for usage! Is my math flawed?

I was trying to state that using your projector is cheaper than not using it. Yes, it cost more money, but what is the reason for owning a projector? Having expensive electronics aging in the closet? or watching programming? It's too expensive NOT to use it!

Explain your reasoning for buying an additional $650 projector? You could have bought two more bulbs with that money and had 4,000 additional hours on your AE4000. All those hours watched at higher quality. Respectfully, I must be missing something.redface.gif
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post #8288 of 8336
12/17/12 at 7:30pm
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Originally Posted by tony123 View Post

Simple math. If you pay $2000 for a projector and use it for 200 hours, your cost per hour was $10. If you use it for 2000 hours, you're down to $1 per hour. I look at it like one person paid 10 times more than the other to use their projector!.. Is my math flawed?

Sorry, yes, your math is flawed because after those first 200 hours of use the projector doesn't stop working, you continue to use it. If one foolishly decides that after 200 hours of use pjs should be discarded or no longer used, for some odd reason i can't think of, then what you wrote makes sense.
Edited by m. zillch - 12/18/12 at 12:31am
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post #8289 of 8336
12/17/12 at 7:38pm
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Explain your reasoning for buying an additional $650 projector? You could have bought two more bulbs with that money and had 4,000 additional hours on your AE4000. All those hours watched at higher quality. Respectfully, I must be missing something.redface.gif

He is using the cheap one , which he puts his major mileage on, as a "beater".
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=beater

Pjs eventually breakdown from hours of use, even ignoring the inevitable bulb replacements one has to incur. Buying a new $650 one every 5 years is better than buying a $2000 one every 5 years, plus for special occassions he has a nice, cherry, low mileage $2000 one to show off.
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post #8290 of 8336
12/17/12 at 9:23pm
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Originally Posted by m. zillch View Post

Sorry, yes, your math is flawed because after those first 200 hours of use the projector doesn't stop working. If one foolishly decides that after 200 hours of use pjs should be discarded, for some odd reason, then what you wrote makes sense.

eek.gif....I pray that this comment is trolling and not a serious thought process.
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post #8291 of 8336
12/17/12 at 10:21pm
wow, I just don't get it, getting nice room, nice projector, but not watching rolleyes.gif
I use it my P4000 non stop to watch the best quality I can, and still only have 680., in 1.5years., but to each is own I guess.
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post #8292 of 8336
12/17/12 at 11:23pm
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Originally Posted by CochiseGuy View Post

I don't quite get how the cost per hour is less if you use the projector a lot, the cost per hour should always be the same, it's the cost per day/week/month that would vary.
You are correct, and your use of a less expensive design for less critical applications, as a "beater", makes perfect sense too, from an economical perspective.
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post #8293 of 8336
12/17/12 at 11:41pm
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Originally Posted by yourtoys7 View Post

wow, I just don't get it, getting nice room, nice projector, but not watching rolleyes.gif
I use it my P4000 non stop to watch the best quality I can, and still only have 680., in 1.5years., but to each is own I guess.

So that's about 453 hours per year. A typical American watches almost 4 times as much, on average more than 1768 hours of live TV per year plus hundreds of additional hours for recorded programs. (156 to 312, on average)

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv-movies/americans-spend-34-hours-week-watching-tv-nielsen-numbers-article-1.1162285

Perhaps if bulbs cost you 4 times as much, per year, compared to your current consumption, it would seem to make more sense.smile.gif
Edited by m. zillch - 12/18/12 at 12:34am
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post #8294 of 8336
12/18/12 at 3:40am
I guess I didn't explain myself like I thought I had. The 200 hours was hypothetical. Simply illustrating a person that doesn't use it much. Pick whatever number you want. In addition, how many times have you heard of a projector "wearing out"? I've used the snot out of every one I've had and never a problem. My Dad has 6000 hours on his AE900 now.

Hey, to each his own, no further arguement from me. I figure that by using mine I get a better value. smile.gif
Edited by tony123 - 12/18/12 at 3:57am
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post #8295 of 8336
12/18/12 at 9:58am
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Originally Posted by m. zillch View Post

So that's about 453 hours per year. A typical American watches almost 4 times as much, on average more than 1768 hours of live TV per year plus hundreds of additional hours for recorded programs. (156 to 312, on average)
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv-movies/americans-spend-34-hours-week-watching-tv-nielsen-numbers-article-1.1162285
Perhaps if bulbs cost you 4 times as much, per year, compared to your current consumption, it would seem to make more sense.smile.gif

I'll try this again, I invested in a ht room/ projector to enjoy the BIG screen and I use it all the time. Not sure where you these numbers, but in any case not everyone can have a HT room, but if you can/ do might as well enjoy it to the fullest. I'm not saying I'm right, but just stating my opinion. Do what ever makes you happy...
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post #8296 of 8336
2/6/13 at 11:12am
How many hours does everyone have on there Pt-AE4000u now? Im at 1989hrs on total eco-mode the whole time. What is the best place to buy a OEM bulb and best deals?
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post #8297 of 8336
2/6/13 at 12:19pm
From what I understand you should have about another 1,000 hours left, give or take, based on the fact that you use eco-mode. Granted I'm only at about 500 hours on eco-mode after 2 years so I don't know for sure how long you have left. And sorry, I don't know where the best place to get a new bulb would be. But again, you shouldn't need to worry about that just yet unless you've noticed dimming...
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post #8298 of 8336
2/6/13 at 12:20pm
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Originally Posted by briandaniella View Post

How many hours does everyone have on there Pt-AE4000u now? Im at 1989hrs on total eco-mode the whole time. What is the best place to buy a OEM bulb and best deals?

i just put mine back up last week after a 16 month hiatus thanks moving into a new house. noticed as i was setting everything up that i'm only at ~350 hours. purchased feb. 2010. apparently i was really under-utilizing it in my old house. gonna have to make sure that doesn't happen again biggrin.gif
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post #8299 of 8336
2/6/13 at 12:33pm
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What is the best place to buy a OEM bulb and best deals?

ProVantage.

Jason
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post #8300 of 8336
2/6/13 at 12:42pm
Wow I wish mine had 350 hr. I bought mine the exact time you did. Total under used. I actually cannot see the light out put dimming yet and I only run mine on eco-mode. Ususally cant see what I am missing until I put a new bulb in.. I replaced the bulb on my Sony Rear Projection LCD 4 year ago and I could not believe the difference. I told myself I was watching it this way all this time. I wish had the extra cash to buy the new PT-AE8000U or the Epson 5020 they are such a set up.. But I have to say I have been so happy with mine all these years, still such a great Projector. They sell used now for about $800 range.
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post #8301 of 8336
2/6/13 at 12:58pm
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ProVantage.

Jason
I didnt see the PT-AE4000u model on that website do they stil carry it?
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post #8302 of 8336
2/6/13 at 1:01pm
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Originally Posted by briandaniella View Post

I didnt see the PT-AE4000u model on that website do they stil carry it?

https://www.provantage.com/panasonic-et-lae4000~7PANP0H0.htm

Looks like it is currently backordered however, sorry. wink.gif

Jason
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post #8303 of 8336
2/6/13 at 1:38pm
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Originally Posted by briandaniella View Post

I didnt see the PT-AE4000u model on that website do they stil carry it?


What do you think about Apex Lamps? https://www.apexlamps.com/index.php?route=product/product&&product_id=1546
Cost $260.00
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post #8304 of 8336
2/6/13 at 1:53pm
No experience with them but as long as you are sure you are getting the actual OEM Panasonic lamp you should be fine, the OEM comes with a new filter in the box.

Jason
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post #8305 of 8336
2/7/13 at 12:01am
"Actual, genuine, factory OEM bulb, in generic housing" would scare me off. You aren't buying a PANASONIC product.

Sure, if you take their word for it, how should the plastic housing around the , *Ahem*, "exact same" bulb matter? The thing is, I don't take their word for it.

Plus if you buy a real PANASONIC bulb you also get a brand new filter assembly, which is a good idea to change at the same time. Not just the foam pad mind you, but the whole thing including the HEPA filter stage.

P.S. If you were to look in my medicine cabinet, you would see I'm generally a strong believer in buying "generic", wherever possible. This is not one of those categories, however.

The plastic housing costs next to nothing compared to the bulb itself, so the notion that "we can charge so much less, even though we use the same bulbs, because we make the plastic around it " doesn't hold water with me.
Edited by m. zillch - 2/7/13 at 12:18am
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post #8306 of 8336
2/7/13 at 6:35am
Hello all. How many years do you think we should expect replacement lamps to be available for a discontinued projector? I intend to hold on my 4000 for some time and would hate to be unable to purchase replacement lamps into the future.

I must have about 1700 hours on my original lamp, normal power mode.
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post #8307 of 8336
2/7/13 at 6:55am
When the 2000 series lamp isnt around anymore it can be a good time to buy an extra lamp.
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post #8308 of 8336
2/7/13 at 8:06am
My understanding is generally big name companies, like Panasonic, feel obligated to provide replacement parts for a product for seven years after production stops. I don't think this is a law, however, but rather an industry trend.

Here is an example of Sony's position. I can't currently find an equivalent document for Panasonic, however if I do I'll post a link. Please, anyone else, post as well.
Edited by m. zillch - 2/7/13 at 8:22am
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post #8309 of 8336
2/7/13 at 8:21am
Here is a similar statement, however it is regarding their Toughbook computers:

"In addition to industry-leading technical support, Panasonic offers parts availability for all repairs up to seven years after a model is discontinued"

Hmmm, "up to"?rolleyes.gif
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post #8310 of 8336
2/7/13 at 12:17pm
Good news then! Thanks!
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