I think we are having some miscommunication here. Let's clear things up.
Originally Posted by MississippiMan
It's just not all that common an instance that anyone can...or will settle for using any White board material for a screen these days.
Because of fragility or image quality? Must be fragility, because you said that gatorboard can deliver a good image. I'd still really like to see posts relating to this though . I did a search for ultraboard and avsforums in google and found only one thread (this one). I then searched gatorboard, and found the thread where you installed a gatorboard painted screen. I'm kinda confused. In your thread, the words "dent," "fragile," "damage," or "fragility" don't come up at all in searches (possibility of damaging a 1/4" gatorboard was mentioned by someone, but the same person said "my 1/2" GF board has no flex whatsoever, zero!"), in fact you mentioned how easy it was to carry to your theater room, up a set of stairs, around a 90 degree corner, without damaging it. From a quick scan of the thread, you seemed to have been pretty happy with your results. In fact you were very excited by all of these possible materials earlier in the thread. Why they change in heart?
Fragility is a relative thing. I'm pretty darn sure you do not go out of your way to test your screen's ability to dent. That would be pretty self defeating. And in fact, your situation is far outside the norm.
I have samples of gatorboard and ultraboard in my office. I've tested both for durability a few times. I don't get your statement. As someone in this thread said, they dented an ultraboard board in two spots, but were unable to see it from 10 feet away. Also, ultraboard is the least durable of the material mentioned. Ultra plus should be even more durable than gatorboard. We just need to have someone test it as am unpainted screen surface.
I can count on the fingers of one hand, with at least 2 fingers missing...how many members have ever used a screen under 60". Both those fellows were using LED PJs. All the rest, by virtue of size alone, always have to deal with potential damage.
Sorry for the confusion. i have a 52" TV in my family room, not a projector screen. Still, my point stands. There is always a solid undisturbed layer of dust on it, with NO fingerprints, despite my kids playing within feet of it almost every day. Maybe it's a miracle, but I'd expect even less contact to a wall installed board screen, especially in a dedicated home theater.. Again, in your own thread you mentioned that you were able to move a large gatorboard up a 90 degree turn in stairs without damaging it.
With a DIY screen made from durable substrate, and painted, the worse that can have to be dealt with is a touch up using a Prevail bottle sprayer. You would not know this, being rooted in using the Board "as is".
I wouldn't want to even get involved in that whole painting mess to begin with. Sounds like a huge pain in the ass. Putting a board on the wall is approximately 90% easier in my mind.
You ask for links to examples that really, no one has had need of compiling. There has been a myriad of varied examples posted...most from quite a few years back, that have eliminated many less-than durable materials from "Normal" consideration.
Gatorboard has a pretty good record at delivering a decent...if not outstanding image...but the less costly nature of such has been it's strong suit...certainly not durability or Image quality potential.
Makes no sense. "decent...if not outstanding image" vs "Image quality potential" "has been it's strong suit"
Your earlier posts as Thread Started verified that.
Ultraboard is a basic unknown...no many have ever described it as being their Substrate of choice....so anyone trying hard to advocate it's use needs only to present their own experiences. If people want to try it based on that...they will.
The very fact that not many people have tested it is THE reason I wish more people would. As you saw in this thread, one tester said of the unpainted ultraboard; "the board performs very well. I don't have a WA DW laminate to compare with, but the picture really pop. As with any white surface, black is weak."
Western State dwellers swear by what is called "Do-able
" as being the best "Hang-n-Shoot" material...bar none.
WilsonArt Designer White Laminate developed quite a following, but all the complaints it's garnered over the years regarding fragility, hot spotting with some PJ / placement locations, and a total lack of ambient light resistance has delegated it to a lower status. Yest still, some persist in advocating it's use...and indeed, if a single sheet of 12' x 5' material is needed at a reasonable cost, be it used "as is" or painted, it's got a place in the scheme of things.
In any case, DIY depends upon people searching out and trying new things. Some such as yourself who seem to have an aversion toward painting revel in the Hang-n-shoot idealism, and can live with such because quire frankly, they haven't as of yet experience what something else might deliver. And that all good. What they don't experience, they cannot lament the lack thereof, nor covet thy neighbor's Screen
If the unpainted surface does not hotspot, and is close to perfect white, then why not use it? Isn't that the holy grail. Aren't far more professional screen pure white than grey? I never considered BUYING a grey screen, so why would I PAINT a perfectly good white surface? What we need is more testing of each of these materials for optical performance.
But I'll tell you this...if you did ever make yourself a larger, outstanding DIY Screen that was a true over-acheiver, I'm bettin' you would understand completely both why others have done so, and why surface durability and repair-ability are both such essential items to take under consideration.
Much of all this is a rehash of what has been expressed before....and this Thread lay dormant for over 2 years so that speaks volumes about how many people have and have not considered using it. My own comments posted 3 years ago are still valid and relevant....but sometimes it's good to review, if only to clear up as to what might or not be best to use.
Wasn't the parkland material SO popular because of its cost and ease of installation? I'm looking for a better alternative. No one will covet your OCD painting techniques if they can simply hang a perfectly good board on the wall. The amount of difficulty involved does not necessarily merit increased viewing enjoyment. I want truth, not finesse. The fact that this thread lay dormant may very well be that the idea of using ultraboard/plus, etc, never really caught on. Maybe it wasn't easy to obtain. Maybe we haven't had that one champion who has done a large comparison test with pics. How can we put it to rest without a good shoot out? All we have so far are a couple of opinions. Let me ask you this - if fragility weren't an issue (and it's not to me), wouldn't you be at least a little curious to see all of these materials in a thorough shoot out. Don't make me be the one to do it....cause I WILL...haha