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post #1 of 13
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I'm planning to run whole house audio and I'll have all of the speakers run to a single location. I plan to connect it to a multi-room receiver so I can output 5-7.1 in the media room and then another line output to the other speakers.

In order to do this I'll need a second amplifier to take the line out from the main receiver and send it to the rest of the house. However, in looking at amps, it seems the cheapest I can find for 4-6 channels is about $500.

But I'm curious, why can't I just get a second receiver, say a cheap 5.1 system that runs about $100, and use this as a dedicated amp? Most modern receivers can take stereo and amplify it over all 5 channels, right? If so, then what am I missing? Is it just the quality of the amplification?
post #2 of 13
I used a cheap Sony 7.1 receiver at my office and put 8 speakers across 3 zones using some in-wall impedance matching volume controls. Works like a charm for me. Sounds great too. The limitation is you have to listen to the same source in all zones.

HTD.com also sells some whole house kits starting around $350. Might be worth a look unless you already have some equipment.
post #3 of 13
If you are running the same sound source to all speakers than you just need one amp and impedance matching volume controls for each pair of room speakers.
post #4 of 13
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brettdvi: Thanks for the info. I've looked at HTD and their cheapest kits are single source and only four channels. I've convinced myself I only need single source, but I'd like at least 5 channels. It seems moving up to five adds about $300 to dedicated amps .... that's why I thought about just using a receiver instead (and then I basically have two zones).

Quick question for you ... is there a problem sending the stereo signal to all 5-7 channels? Do all receivers do this or is it a specific feature I should look for?

Thanks for the response, I'm glad it is working for you.
post #5 of 13
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crutschow: Thanks for the response. I don't think I was completely clear in my description. I understand I only need a single amp, but question was, basically, can I use a receiver as an amp instead of a dedicated amp, since dedicated amps tend to be so much more expensive?

It seems the answer to that question is yes, but I'm curious why dedicated amps are so much more expensive?
post #6 of 13
I got the sony str-dg710 from crutchfield scratch and dent for reference. It has a multi-channel stereo output mode. That is what it is called on that receiver. I'm not sure if it's a universal thing. I would imagine that some receivers don't have that option.
post #7 of 13
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Originally Posted by rjcarr316 View Post

crutschow: Thanks for the response. I don't think I was completely clear in my description. I understand I only need a single amp, but question was, basically, can I use a receiver as an amp instead of a dedicated amp, since dedicated amps tend to be so much more expensive?

My resonse was to your question about expensive multi-channel amps. You don't need a multi-channel amp if all the speakers are playing the same source, just a single dedicated stereo amp, which is not that expensive (see http://www.amazon.com/Pyle-2x75W-Stereo-Power-Amplifier/dp/B001P2R1RW/ref=pd_cp_e_2 for example).
post #8 of 13
I had a similar situation and ended up buying a "cheap" Sherwood receiver to drive the speakers in other rooms rather than driving them from the surround sound receiver in our living room. The Sherwood is available at Radio Shack and other places. I bought several Y audio splitter cables and put them on the outputs of my CD player and set top box and ran them into the inputs of the Sherwood, along with a cable to plug an ipod into. That way one family member could be watching and listening to television while the CD player was playing music to the rest of the house. You may not even need the Y cables if your other components have an unused analog audio output.

If you truly want single source then the Pyle amplifier is a good deal -- its a basic amplifier, I have one and its only fault is that the blue LEDs are a bit too bright!

From the prior posts it wasn't clear if you were going to have impedence matching volume controls at each location or any sort of speaker selector/distribution mechanism such as the HTD SS81. These do give you more flexibility in wiring and controlling sound levels.
post #9 of 13
Thread Starter 
Hi gjgoldstein1, thanks for the input, and yes, I do plan on using volume controls at each location. With the advice I've gotten here I'm just going to start with a multi-channel receiver (cheap) and if that doesn't suit me for whatever reason I'll move to a dedicated amp. Thanks again!
post #10 of 13
Crutchfield has some good info on using an old receiver to power the second zone of a primary receiver, with some details on impedance matching.

Wait - no, they don't anymore. They want you to buy a dedicated multichannel amp. Go figure.

You can use an old AVR to power zone 2 out of the primary receiver, using impedance matching volume controls or an impedance matching speaker selector box.

You run the line-level output of zone 2 into the second receiver, then connect the speaker output to a connecting block, and then onto the impedance matched volume controls.

You can use any old receiver - check Craigslist, ~$50.
post #11 of 13
What about connecting line level out to 2nd receiver and then use front LR to one room (say kitchen) and rear LR to another room (say bedroom)

Would that work? I assume the 2nd receiver should be outputting in stereo mode and not 5.1.
post #12 of 13
That should work as long as you can tell the receiver to have the same sound coming out of the 'front' and 'rear' outputs. Look in the AVR manual.

Someone with more knowledge may chime in, but you could probably drive 2 pairs of speakers from a single speaker output. Depends on the speakers (4 vs. 8 ohm) and the AVR.
post #13 of 13
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Originally Posted by Neurorad View Post

That should work as long as you can tell the receiver to have the same sound coming out of the 'front' and 'rear' outputs. Look in the AVR manual.

Someone with more knowledge may chime in, but you could probably drive 2 pairs of speakers from a single speaker output. Depends on the speakers (4 vs. 8 ohm) and the AVR.

I have a similar situation. I want to use the second receiver to power three rooms; I already have impedance matching volume controls, the rooms are small (about 300 square fee each) and this is going to be only music. So here are my questions:
1. Can I use a two channel reciever and simply run three speakers sharing the two channels? I recognize I'll lose power by running the three.
2. Some of the two channel amps have an A/B speaker selection option. Can I hook one set of speakers to the "A" speakers and the other two sets of speakers to the "B"? If so, how is the power distributed (for example, if it's a 100 watts per channel amp, is that power distributed evenly to the "A" and "B" Speakers, and then divided in half again when I hook up two pairs to B???
3. Is a speaker connecting block absolutely necessary? Could you simply connect two pairs of speakers directly into the receiver?

thanks,
Ed
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