JTR Captivator - Page 112

Originally Posted by kgb540

I would go for the Captivator S model. There are plenty of people who can say that the Submersive might be better or a standard Captivator might be better, but there are only about a dozen people in the world who have heard all three at the same place in the same timeframe and the Captivator S scored highest the subjective comparison (and there was even an Orbit Shifter in the mix too ).

Originally Posted by mojomike;21655280[QUOTE

To anyone choosing between an excellent ported sub and an excellent sealed sub, I'd suggest choosing the one that best compliments your room. Bigotis is talking about a 4000 cu.ft room with an open side. As powerful as the Cap S is, it going against the grain in a room like that. It will not have much room gain on it's side. The ported Cap will be working much easier in a room like that. If the room were a sealed room, especially if it were a smaller sealed room, I'd suggest a Cap S (or a Submersive) all the way.[

Originally Posted by Crabalocker



My room is fairly large, basically 25x23 but I have one wall that stretches 35 feet and the middle of the room is 27 feet across with an open staircase. My single PC13 Ultra and the SubM fill it easily.

I understand every room is different but the SubM has crazy amounts of output and the amount of deep deep smooth sounding bass is unreal. IMHO since the Cap S and Cap S2 have huge power, I honestly think they can fill his room as well. Not taking anything away from the Captivator which I'm sure is a beast and might very well be his best option for his room, but I honestly think any of those subs would be killer! IMO

I know first hand how awesome a Seaton product is and the JTR products are equally touted. Either of these two companies would be on my shortlist for recommendations as well as any of my future purchases.

Originally Posted by mojomike

Try to recognize what your room is going to do with the natural response of the sub. Pick a sub that will naturally compliment the room acoustics. You will wind up with better results even before applying any eq.

Originally Posted by Crabalocker

This makes total sense but how would I go about to accomplish this?

Originally Posted by pennynike1

I have been looking at JTR and Seaton products and was thinking:

How would things work if you utilized 2 different subs in a 7.2 set up?

Would a JTR Captivator (either Pro or Sealed) and a Seaton Submersive compliment each other or would they clash?

Originally Posted by lukeamdman


I constantly see on these boards someone saying "adding a second sub is only 2-3db more, or doubling the power of the amp is only 2-3db more, but 2-3db is huge. It must be something you have to hear to understand or appreciate.

Originally Posted by mastermaybe

Sorry, but it really isn't (huge) from a perception standpoint. The fact that it takes 2, 4, or 10x the power is really irrelevant in that regard.

Dozens of studies indicate that 3dbs is the earliest threshold where the vast majority perceive a "noticeable" increase in volume.

Anyone can easily bear witness to it by simply increasing their MV 3dbs. After such I would defy you to show me anyone who would consider the level increase "huge".

James

Originally Posted by lukeamdman

Play 20hz at 115db, and then move it up to 118db and tell me there's no difference.

Originally Posted by Archaea

I love these subs! I just spent the last hour or two listening to dubstep music on pandora! I just love these cap pros!

Originally Posted by Archaea

James - is it more about non linear progression? If every six dB is a doubling - that makes it more logrithmic than linear.

Perhaps it may be more about our human thresholds as well where 3dB from 45dB to 48dB is pretty darn insignificant, but 125dB to 128dB might be more significant?

50% more of something you don't hear well is meaningless. 50% more of something that is the loudest thing you've ever heard --- now we are talking.

Originally Posted by lukeamdman


Play 20hz at 115db, and then move it up to 118db and tell me there's no difference.

Originally Posted by WereWolf84

Wow Carp, how much you bought the eD Cinema 12 in pair? are you using eD Cinema 6 center? how do you power them?

Originally Posted by carp

My Caps have new friends.

The grills for the speakers are supposed to be shipped next week, I think that will look better. Loving the Cap/eD combo.

Originally Posted by carp


Alex gives you 15% off if you buy 3 or more at a time, so I got the mains for 875 and the center for 344, shipped. He also took 15 off that since I'm not very far away and the shipping would be cheaper. He also custom made the center stand for 53 shipped.

These are the 4th pair of speakers I've owned in this room.

1st was Cerwin Vega's with 15 inch woofers that I bought back in the mid 90's in college. They put out crazy bass for their time, probably down to around 30 hz. Needed a ton of eq to sound good for music and often sounded harsh.

2nd - Axioms (m60s for mains). I had these for about 5 years and never liked the sound for music. They were good for movies though. Music always sounded harsh no matter how I tweaked them, it was starting to drive me crazy and I thought maybe it was just me until I heard Magnepans for the first time.

3rd - Magnepan MMG's, MMG center, MMGW (I think thats right...) for surrounds. LOVE the Maggies for music, described earlier their shortcomings.

4th - eD's. Still using the Maggie surrounds, so that will have to change to.

I was worried that anything but Maggies would sound harsh on music, with the Cerwins and Axioms my ears told me to turn down the volume with music it's the opposite with Maggies and eD.

I'm not good at describing imaging, detail, blah blah, and really don't know if I even care about all that. I just like a certain tone from the speaker. If it sounds good and I'm itching to turn it up, then I like the speaker.

One downside. I was hoping to be able to use a 80hz crossover for music now, but I still prefer 150 for music. For movies I use 80 and it works great, but 150 sounds punchier for music.

However, when I have the Captivators flanking me on the sidewalls nearfield they sound their best for music and then I use 80hz and it sounds amazing. However, with this setup movies have absolutely no LFE and sound weak and anemic, go figure.

So, Luke (and maybe Archaea?) is going to come over today to play with my sms-1 and his omnimic and see if I can't get the best of both worlds somehow. If not, I guess I'll be saving for 2 more subs to flank me on the sidwalls!!

Originally Posted by btinindy

Wow, I knew the dimensions of the cinema 12's, but they look really big on top of the Captivators. Your HT looks really nice. Are the c12's matte finished?

I like the "Naked" speakers!

Originally Posted by WereWolf84

Wow Carp, how much you bought the eD Cinema 12 in pair? are you using eD Cinema 6 center? how do you power them?

Originally Posted by mastermaybe

Hey brother I tried to delete my post from my phone cuz I didn't want to stir things up but the damn thing wouldn't let me.

As I said above, I won't tell you there isn't a difference, just that it is slight to me.

And again, my two big points:

I (like many I suspect) can already EXCEED reference level bass in my room. I also already run my Cap 5 dbs hot. Seeing I next to never listen beyond -5 on the dial (simply more than loud enough) it doesn't make much sense adding more subs/power because I'm already at reference, running hot, getting good overall room response, and in my personal opinion (and room) upping the bass anymore sounds goofy (kindest word I can think of) and reminiscent of sitting in the back of my brother's 81 monte carlo with some of the "coolest" (read: 16 yr old "cool": obnoxious, booming bass) from a decade and a half back. +10 in the bass region can be fun no doubt (demo-time), but it wears thin for me on the other 97% of material.

Importantly though: I fully expect 2 crucial things to change in my new, gigantic space: output, and room response- so I will almost certainly be adding another Cap.

YMMV.

Respectfully,

James