JTR Captivator - Page 114

Still waiting for the replacement driver.

It's been a month already and he said a couple weeks. I knew this would happen.

Waiting on a week for the cone then another week he will have the driver.

As of today I am the proud owner of a pair of 2011 Captivators.

I haven't yet had the opportunity to open the boxes, need some help there,
but I am sure they will impress.

Amps are Crown XTi 4002 ,bridge mode , and the Caps are wired @ 8 Ohm.
They will be used both in stereo and HT as is my current PC13 Ultra.

DSP in stereo by Roomperfect in my Lyngdorf TDAi amp.
For now a Behringer FBQ2496 will do HT-EQ.
REW helps out setting it up.
(may opt for a DSPeaker dualcore after some user experiences).

Sweet

I'm not familiar with anyone with that amplifier w/decent subs,...interested as to your impressions. Do you intend to employ the HiQnet usb connected DSP? Also, I've been curious wrt the subharmonic synthesis, and additional energy folded back into the signal path,...any intention to play around w/that? I fully realize the targeted demographic of the Sub-Harmonic syntheses stuff isn't necessarily HT, however it could prove to be an interesting effect. Those amps are very tolerant to voltage drop, but I'd certainly pursue dedicated circuits.

Good luck

Thanks.

The Lyngdorf is a very versatile amp and in conjuction with Lyngdorfs own boundary woofers able to cross as high as,if I remember correctly, 800 Hz.
I used to run a pair of JLaudio f112's with excellent result on this amp.
The JL' s just died for no apparent reason.
This gave me an excuse to get me a pair of ultimate subs

Yes, I will also try the onboard Crown DSP.
Subsynth is something to look into then as well.

They will share a 240V 16 A dedicated circuit.

I had a couple friends over tonight and demoed the theater room. My wife and two young girls were upstairs so I still had to be reasonable.
I cranked up the XLS-5000 to about -5 and -7.5 on the AVR with the JTR Cap sub pair with each sub about 6dB hot. This is the loudest I've played with the XLS-5000 yet. I can't say what I heard was louder than the limits of the EP4000, but I would have been tapping clip lights a LOT on the EP4000, and I didn't see a clip light on the XLS-5000 at all tonight - so that's pretty cool. I still haven't got to set the amp free and test the limits but sooner or later hopefully!

Worth noting the XLS-5000 fan speed never ramped up with the fan modifications I've done to my chasis at these volumes with the dual mono two ohm load.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...8#post21647498

Hi, does anyone know the performance difference between the 2012 Captivator and last year's model?

The 2 main differences that jump out is the fixed 17.5Hz tuning and 2400W amp in the 2012 model. Jeff says it is also lighter, due to changes in the cabinet (wall thickness or bracing) perhaps?

What does this translate to? Lower max output, etc...?

I am interested in purchasing a JTR Captivator and returning my SVS PB12-NSD. I have a problem choosing though. The website for the JTR speakers isn't very clear to me.


What is the difference between a Captivator and a Captivator Pro? Why is the "regular" Captivator so much more expensive than the Pro? They look similar but the regular Cap seems to be heavier..... I am confused.

Also, there is a Captivator 1000. I am assuming it's the same Speaker but with a weaker Amplifier? Do they both differentiate a lot in performance? It's is a 700 dollar difference after-all....
Thanks,

Ray

Cap pro is passive, no amp. Powered Cap has the 2400 watt amp.

The Cap 1000 has a different driver and yes, less output. Not sure how much less...

Going from 1000 watts to 2400 watts should mean about 4db difference.

Correction, Jeff still has the cap 1000. The 2400 watt one has a 30mm xmax driver which is like having a powered passive cap.

I have the a 2011 cap 1000 and if I can remember it has 18mm xmax tuned to 20hz. The 2012 has 20mm xmax tuned to 17.5hz. It's also alot more money than the 2011 version.

Here's the break down.
-Passive cap - 30mm xmax. No amp included, just binding post in the back.
-Powered cap 2400watt - 30mm xmax
-powered cap 1000watt - 20mm xmax
-Cap pro = passive cap 2011 version. No amp, just binding post in the back.

No where did I see Jeff using a port plug like in 2011.

I modified a few things on HKSVR4's post to help clarify - I hope --- otherwise HKSVR4's got a good summary.

-Passive cap - 30mm xmax each way. No amp included, just binding post or speakon connectors at your choice in the back for the amp you choose to use. You can likely order passive in the residential model or the pro model though he doesn't list that the residential model can be bought without an amp.

-Powered cap 2011 - 4000watt amp - 20hz tune - same driver as passive cap - 30mm xmax each way

-Powered cap 2012 - 2400watt - 17.5hz tune - same driver as passive cap - 30mm xmax each way

-Powered cap 1000 - 2011 - 1000 watt - 20hz tune - 18mm xmax each way

-Powered cap 1000 - 2012 - 1000 watt - 17.5hz tune - 20mm xmax each way

-Cap pro = passive cap - 2011 version - no amp, lighter cabinet than the residential model (slightly thinner birch wood used), with handles for easier portability in mobile dj use. Same exact sound quality and tune as the residential setup - just different (more industrial) look.

Jeff of JTR speakers will have the cabinets made out of any type of wood or finish you choose if you pay a slight upcharge. The industrial look can be overcome if it isn't your thing.

It's in the fine print below the specs.

Just ordered my Passive Cap after reading this thread. But the person that has truly pushed me to buying this beast is Archaea. Thanks again buddy. I will buy my amp soon too. I just can't wait for it to come....

I sure hope, though, that it's capable of rocking my socks in my 4500 qft. concrete slab, tile covered basement.

Speaking of, what would you guys recommend me to do in order to give my basement some room treatment? I already have a carpet covering my HT corner, but it's one of thos Persian carpets and it's very thin. It's laying flat on the Tile so it's not sitting on any absorbing mat or anything.

Also, is it important to cover the ENTIRE basement with carpet or is the corner in which your Home theater sits enough to be covered in carpet?

What to do with the walls? Sound Mats?

Ray

If it doesn't rock your socks off, know that it's the best attempt for the least amount of money outside of DIY and even that could be close depending on the tools you have to buy.

I was thinking to have my Cap is a Gloss Black like some of the Velodine subs. It would match with my Black Gloss Definitive Tech speakers. Problem is that I don't know if Jeff makes them in Gloss and if he does, how much more it'll cost. Has anyone done that before? Any pics?

I already tried eMailing him and haven't gotten a response yet. He usually answers eMails in the morning but he hasn't today. I guess he's busy, but I'd really like to know if he's capable of making them Gloss.


Does anyone have his phone number? In one of his mails he told me that I could call him if I had questions but he didn't mention his number. If anyone would be so kind and PM'd me his number. Thanks


Ray


EDIT: D'oh. I just saw the phone number on his website and called im.

Gloss black isn't an option as I recall as I was looking for the same for my DT's.

James

He does do it. Apparently he did one before but it's very pricey..... and takes 2 weeks longer. That's no good at all. So I didn't opt for it.

Oh ok. Crappers, wasn't at the time I ordered, Ida sprung for it.

Oh well, the black oak looks fine.


James

How much more of an upcharge? Gloss black captivators would be sexy!

It would look like a slap of marble in my room. With my room being so small and the cap sitting by the window, it would become disco a ball.

New video for this poor guy's benefit who thinks you gain nothing by having the ability to produce FR below 25hz - 35hz in a home theater. He recommends the purchase of cheap traditional PA subs for home use.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1398418

Vid using the JTR Caps in 15hz tune.

Archaea, that is quite impressive. Although I am guessing that Tim91 would still not be impessed. I have been reading this thread but this is my first post. I think what he might say is "yea, that's great. Have the screen shake so you are watching a blurry image on the screen while you watch a movie. That's fun. NOT." Again, this is what I think he may say. Those were sustained test tones. I am just asking . Do you notice any screen shake when you watch a movie like WOTW or HTTYD or any other movie that has sustained moments of loud bass? I am sure the experience in your room is really fantastic. I only have a single SubMersive HP, but I have it in a 1000cf room so I can get really low and loud if I want to as well. And I will flat out admit that it is crazy fun when I can do that. Thanks for the video. Maybe you can do one with actual content as well(Like a movie)? Just a thought.

Self defeating? You may want to let people know that they should watch this with an audio system that is capable of producing the sounds. I think you just proved their point

Chestnut the point of the video was to show him visually what he perhaps has not felt or heard. If you do not know to what I refer skip to near the end of the video. I watched the vid on my laptop and didn't hear a single note, except my voice. ha! My 2.1 computer speakers will pretty much only weakly let me hear the first note. When I pump the video back through my htpc I get some of the original effect except the bloggige mic and video codec sadly does strip a lot of the sound out even on the original playback setup. So the viewer just mostly has to see the effect and realize that's what the person in the room is feeling!

Mikeduke you absolutely see a little bit of this on scenes like how to train your dragon and wotw and the slight bit you see adds to the experience in my opinion, but more importantly you hear and definately feel it. I posted a clip of bass I love you a few weeks back in my room on youtube. It is another example of those ulf frequencies at work.

During the 2012 blind meet the attendors will attest that the screen, walls, ceiling, and projector get excited in my room by those low frequencies! It was noticable during the meet on multiple occasions and obviously with some subs doing the effect more than others. Oddly enough at the meet I used a different projector screen that was wall mounted instead of hanging and it vibrates like so at 16hz instead of 19hz like this hanging one does. At 16hz this hanging model vibrates only about the same as the 20hz tone. Each screen seemed to have a single test tone frequency that really excites it.

That's cool. I have only seen a few projector based systems, Craig's for one. My one friend at work, but his bass is no where near what we are talking about here and at some high end audio stores. I have never seen a screen shake or vibrate like that. I have to admit, it's pretty cool to see. Those are some very impressive subs and I can easily see why you like them so much. For me, they are just way to big(at least at this point in time). And the OS is just crazy big. Like Mark's Terra Form XL. I wonder what those can do.

I have to say that I have experienced that vibration type event once. It was when I was in an audio store. They had a JM Lab Sub Utopia Be. It had a 16in driver with a 1000 watt bash amp and had a large flared port in the back. They knew me there so they let me wander in and out of rooms and would set some movies up for me to watch. The Sub Utopia Be was in a mid sized room. The guy juiced it up for me. I swear, it was flexing the walls in the room. Someone had to come in and lower it because it was shaking their entire 22,000 sq ft building. So I know what you like about that style of sub. And say what you will about them as a company, but the Wilson Audio Watch Dog was also a great sounding sub that really shook a very large room. But at the time, nothing could compare with the Sub Utopia Be. For me that is. It seems like these subs capture that same feeling. Good stuff all around. As I said above, I am very pleased with the SubMersive HP. But that doesn't mean I can't appreciate these big ported monsters .

He is asking $500,- and 2 additional weeks for the Gloss Black finish.

I would love to have that finish but I think it's way too pricey for getting a box of that size painted and 2 additional weeks seems a bit long. But he runs a business and has to make some profit so I understand....


Ray

He doesn't make the cabs himself so he probably was quoted that extra price. There is a lot of time spent in sanding and painting to make that mirror gloss.

Nice video archaea