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post #3631 of 4725
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Originally Posted by mojomike View Post

You don't really enjoy your system. You enjoy changing your system.

rmk! edit ...

When your goal is change, what else can you do?
post #3632 of 4725
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

rmk! edit ...

When your goal is change, what else can you do?

To be honest I am trying every alignment subwoofers have to offer, not every sub. Right now I am trying a sealed system built for the low end more than midbass to see what the difference is. I have had midbass galore, low end pretty good, but not focusing on the low end. I usually run my system 10 dBs hot but once I LT'd the low end up running 5 dBs hot seemed excessive. You know I will start a thread in the DIY section once again with pics and graphs!
post #3633 of 4725
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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post

To be honest I am trying every alignment subwoofers have to offer, not every sub. Right now I am trying a sealed system built for the low end more than midbass to see what the difference is. I have had midbass galore, low end pretty good, but not focusing on the low end. I usually run my system 10 dBs hot but once I LT'd the low end up running 5 dBs hot seemed excessive. You know I will start a thread in the DIY section once again with pics and graphs!

Your threads are always an entertaining read MK. Keep keepin on ...
post #3634 of 4725
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Originally Posted by bhazard View Post

A passive cap is nice, but unless you have your own 1,000-2,400 watt amp, along with your own dsp, the powered version would be best for a plug and play installation along with XT32. Unless you're willing to take the chance on an LG clone amp to run two caps, getting an amp around the same wattage and a mini dsp would cost around the same anyway. You could always get an EP4000 and a mini dsp for a few less dbs though, and save a few hundred. If you are willing to get a monster sub like the Cap in the first place, why skimp at all. MOAR DBs!

Passive is a nice option for the tweakers, but I'm not at that level of patience yet. One thing I can say, is that the 2400w amp is awesome.

Well considering the new plate amps are 2400 watts and my Crown gives me a verified 2000 at 3-$400, I'd still have comparable output (nearly identical) with a pair of passives and save 12-$1400 over picking up a pair of powered units.

But I understand an appreciate your plug and play point...huge on that one myself.

James
post #3635 of 4725
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Originally Posted by mastermaybe View Post

Well considering the new plate amps are 2400 watts and my Crown gives me a verified 2000 at 3-$400, I'd still have comparable output (nearly identical) with a pair of passives and save 12-$1400 over picking up a pair of powered units.

But I understand an appreciate your plug and play point...huge on that one myself.

James

Ah i forgot the passives are $1,500. Which Crown does 2000w at $300-400? I see the XLS 2500 can do 2400w bridged at $550.

At $1,500 + 550 + 129 (mini dsp), it comes out to $2179, which is almost exactly what I paid for my Submersive at the time. For me, going that route was a no brainer.

If I went with duals, I probably would have gone with passive caps myself.
post #3636 of 4725
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Ah i forgot the passives are $1,500. Which Crown does 2000w at $300-400? I see the XLS 2500 can do 2400w bridged at $550.

At $1,500 + 550 + 129 (mini dsp), it comes out to $2179, which is almost exactly what I paid for my Submersive at the time. For me, going that route was a no brainer.

If I went with duals, I probably would have gone with passive caps myself.

I have a couple Crown XS 900's I got new for $300 each. They're discontinued now so I suppose someone would have to find new/old stock or buy used...with the 3 yr transferrable warranty and rock solid build I wouldn't worry. I see others on eBay new and used all the time. Even spending another $200 still puts you $500 under a powered unit.

Re the mini-dsp: my understanding is that the Cap at 2,000 watts or less doesn't need an HPF so I would think an AVR with RC should put you in good shape.


James
post #3637 of 4725
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Originally Posted by mastermaybe View Post

my understanding is that the Cap at 2,000 watts or less doesn't need an HPF

As long as you don't boost past tuning. However, in some instances audyssey has been known to boost down to 10hz. If this happens, without a hpf and with enough boost, you may damage the sub with strong ulf content playing (Hulk, WOTW, etc. ) at loud volumes.
post #3638 of 4725
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As long as you don't boost past tuning. However, in some instances audyssey has been known to boost down to 10hz. If this happens, without a hpf and with enough boost, you may damage the sub with strong ulf content playing (Hulk, WOTW, etc. ) at loud volumes.

Yeah good point...I've heard of that with Audyssey, although I've also read an Audyssey "rep" and others vehemently deny it does a thing below the -3 db point of the sub (in my case, 18-19hz).

I never noticed it (boosting with audyssey) with my ultra or trinity, and I've always had an HPF with my Cap so I can't say for sure.

Doesn't mean it doesn't happen of course and a good HPF is a nice, relatively inexpensive peace of mind.

Damn, wouldn't it be nice if you could at least make some small changes to Audyssey? Like dropping response like a rock at given hz?

James
post #3639 of 4725
Pics for those awaiting their new Captivator S2 subwoofer(s). My buddy got his the other day, and for a reference that is a Velodyne DD-18+ to the right. They are big woofers but take up LESS floorspace than the Velodyne!!
LL
post #3640 of 4725
Another one with the a single S2, Fathom F212, DD18+ and a cute little Sunfire True Sub Signature 12EQ.
LL
post #3641 of 4725
Nice pics.
post #3642 of 4725
Kgb540. You guys going to do a review or comparison?

Heck you've got the makings right there for a cool little local subwoofer meet! I'd you need demo matrial ley me know! Definitely consider hosting a meet. Those are all nice subs!
post #3643 of 4725
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Another one with the a single S2, Fathom F212, DD18+ and a cute little Sunfire True Sub Signature 12EQ.

That is an eclectic little group. Is your friend a collector, or does he have multiple systems?
post #3644 of 4725
The S2 looks so awesome.
post #3645 of 4725
At home beating up the Cap today. Alittle battlefield 3 and hiphop. T-pain - Regular Girl is a song with just bass. The first note rumbles like something from a movie.
post #3646 of 4725
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

That is an eclectic little group. Is your friend a collector, or does he have multiple systems?

Multiple systems. That being said, he does have a habit of collecting from time to time!
post #3647 of 4725
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Kgb540. You guys going to do a review or comparison?

Heck you've got the makings right there for a cool little local subwoofer meet! I'd you need demo matrial ley me know! Definitely consider hosting a meet. Those are all nice subs!

My buddy (owner of the subs) was at your GTG earlier this year Archaea. He has mentioned doing an informal listening session, but extra time gets to be in short supply this part of year.
post #3648 of 4725
Has anybody heard from Jeff lately? I ordered an S2 in januari (actually, first an S, but decided on the S2 when it came out) but changed to dual passive ported caps. He was going to get back to me on my order two weeks ago, I've sent him two mails since then but haven't gotten a reply yet. I don't mind waiting a couple of months for a great product, but I feel a bit in the dark at the moment..
post #3649 of 4725
Did you try his phone?
post #3650 of 4725
I live in europe, apart from being very expensive, the lines are very bad when going across the pond
post #3651 of 4725
The other thing to try is a private message here on this forum. That's how I've mostly communicated with Jeff in the past.
post #3652 of 4725
I'll try that.. it's just a little frustrating at this time, it's been over 3 months now and I still don't know when the subs will even ship (this isn't a special finish order or something like that).. I have no doubt Jeff is doing his very best in making sure everyone gets his product ASAP, but an update now and then for those who are waiting would be nice.
post #3653 of 4725
Jeff does read these forums. Try the jtr forum as well. He did write to me a few days ago regarding a return.
post #3654 of 4725
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The other thing to try is a private message here on this forum. That's how I've mostly communicated with Jeff in the past.

Doesn't always work. I emailed Jeff with an inquiry a few months back - he didn't reply. So I then sent him a PM here, also no reply.

I seriously hope Jeff can improve on this aspect of his business.
post #3655 of 4725
I did waited almost 2 months for a return label.
post #3656 of 4725
Jeff has just gotten back to me on all my questions. He's been very helpful and really went the extra mile for me with the shipping to europe. He really does mean well and provides excellent service, but he's just a really busy guy.
post #3657 of 4725
Glade to hear that. Ultimately, Jeff always eventually comes through and winds up delivering and excellent product.
post #3658 of 4725
Just a little update on my S2. About 3-4 months ago I had ordered a second Captivator w/ built in 4000W amp to mirror the one I already had but after changing my mind from the OS to a Captivator, I finally settled on the S2. I couldn't help it after my friend received his and gave it a glowing review. Just a little history of how I got here:

History:

Keep in mind, my room is relatively small (12x17) and I really didn't need another subwoofer. One powered Cap was more than enough. I never clipped or strained it. I run it about 4-5 db hot. I have also had dual SVS Ultra's, dual Submersive HP's and even the Danley DTS 10. I want to preface that the following is my opinion only and do this hobby for fun, so take my opinion or not. I first started off with the Danley about two years ago but had to get rid of it. The new house I moved into was not big enough. My old house had a dedicated theater room. Once I got rid of the Danley, I bought a pair of SVS Ultras. They were good, except I felt they were a little too boomy for music play back, but excelled for HT use. I then decided I would try the Seaton HP's and placed my order for a pair of Black Oak HP's. A month later I got them in and hooked them up. I loved them with music but missed the slam of the SVS Ultras. Seaton's HP's were beautiful crafted cabinets and sounded great, but I determined I loved the slam of the ported Ultras. After a month I sold them a called in my Ultras again. Bored and wanting something more I decided to give the Captivator a shot. I had ordered from Jeff in the past and felt that he offered a great product at a competitive price. I know it takes a while to get your product but the wait both times between 2-4 months was worth it for me. Once I got my powered Captivator I realized I had finally found bass nervona. I felt more impact with the single Cap than I did with the pair of Ultras or the pair of HP's. I also never came close to realizing the full potential of this beast. It had more slam than all the others and was close to the HP's for music quality. Once I heard Jeff was changing the Captivator I put my order in so that I would be able to have a matched pair. I then read the famous Subwoofer shootout thread from beginning to end and realized the Sealed Captivator might be even better. Then came the new S2 design. I am so thankful that Jeff didn't process my order because I wouldn't have had time to change my mind at least (5) different times. :-)

Well, two weeks ago I finally go my S2 delivered. First off, Holy Cow this thing is big. Believe me, the pictures do not do it any justice. I was a little bummed that the power cord was missing from the pallet. The delivery driver must have lost it. Lucky for me, I already had the power cord from my other Cap. One note, I called Jeff the next day and he had another cord shipped out via Fedex that same day. Jeff, you rock! Once I got it calibrated I was ready to go. The funny thing is that I had to lower the gain all the way down to one click from the lowest setting, with my processor down to -7.5. That first day I ran it all the way up to +10db hot and for the life of me, can't see how anyone can do this. My main speakers, Aerial 7B's sounded like little Bose cubes. They were getting sand kicked in their face. I felt so shaken up, very similar to the 7B's, that I had to turn the S2 down. To sum it up, it shared all the characteristics of the HP's with music, except more, along with the impact of the ported Captivator, except more. It digs deeper than the Cap, but I still think the Cap moves more air. Seriously, this thing has unbelievable headroom. I don't even know if I could tell the difference between the Sealed Cap and the S2 at normal listening levels, they are both that good.

A couple of days later I called Jeff and expressed how happy I was with the S2 and asked him how sales were going. To my disbelief, I think I am one of only 5-6 people who have ordered and received one. I would like to tell anyone on the fence, ORDER THE S2!! It may take some time, but JTR's are worth the wait. Jeff, thanks for another awesome experience.

Lastly, I will be selling my Powered Captivator if anyone lives in Las Vegas is interested. I hope my review was helpful.
post #3659 of 4725
Awesome review, thanks for posting it!

I bet your room is crazy impressive, I can't imagine some of those subs in a room that size.

I felt like the S1 was very similar to a Submersive in the blind test, so having the S2 would be exactly like co-locating two S1's which would be a lot like co-locating 2 Submersives right? Did you ever try that back when you had Submersives (or any of your subs for that matter)?

I need to try it myself, I haven't yet with my dual HP's. I only did it once with the Captivators (the night I demo'd to the guy I sold to) and it was VERY impressive. Of course the only problem is the frequency response isn't near as smooth.

Still... here was the difference with the Caps co-located. My favorite demo is the Die Hard 4 machine gun apartment scene. When my Caps were in separate corners the impact of the guns was just as powerful as the C4 explosion at the end, which of course doesn't seem very realistic. When I had the Caps in the same corner there was an obvious increase in pressure/slam during the explosion. When I demo that scene I run the subs crazy hot and clearly I'm out of headroom with the subs separated. I guess the only answer would be dual HP's in each corner or 1 S2 in each corner but that's going to be awhile.
post #3660 of 4725
Interesting, this is the first I've heard of someone who went from PB13's to the SubM's and seemed disatisfied with less slam?

Surprised the subs are making that much of a difference given your room size! I have about the exact same size and a single PB13 was pretty much hitting close to reference levels, my dual AV15 setup isn't "that" different from the single PB13, even though on paper it should be.

Is there a link to the S2 btw? Couldn't find it on the main page!
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