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post #4021 of 4725
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Originally Posted by mastermaybe View Post

Hey guys:
What would we say is a fair...ok, great price on an impeccably clean passive 20/15hz black oak Captivator?
I'm a bit shocked that I haven't been able to get a bite on mine and I'm wondering just how low I need to go.
Mods: I believe this is ok: I'm not linking to anything and I'm not mentioning price...please advise otherwise and I'll remove immediately.
James
I was wondering if you had ever sold that or not. This is just 2 cents.
Anyone can read back through this thread and figure out what you paid originally.
Since the price has went up (your gain) and no shipping was required (again your gain)
Mabey a little less on the overall price may help get it sold. But forcing that amp with the
Package deal may be a hard pill to swallow for some combined with local pick-up only makes your
situation a little more difficult. As much as you like that amp for some it has to be a complete deal breaker.
You have a beautifull subwoofer and with time it will get sold. It only takes one.
Once again 2 cents and a guess but mabey what you paid and include free shipping and paypal fees might
get it sold faster.
I look forward to your next subwoofer purchase and your reviews.
Good Luck
Chris
post #4022 of 4725
Quote:
Originally Posted by mastermaybe View Post

Hey guys:
What would we say is a fair...ok, great price on an impeccably clean passive 20/15hz black oak Captivator?
I'm a bit shocked that I haven't been able to get a bite on mine and I'm wondering just how low I need to go.
Mods: I believe this is ok: I'm not linking to anything and I'm not mentioning price...please advise otherwise and I'll remove immediately.
James

James, I am guessing it is a combination of price, size and geography. These are big subs and if somebody isn't close to you geographically it probably is a tough sell. I am in the market for a captivator, for example, but am looking to buy a different model than you have (eyeing the S2 or Orbit).
post #4023 of 4725
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Originally Posted by countryWV View Post

I was wondering if you had ever sold that or not. This is just 2 cents.
Anyone can read back through this thread and figure out what you paid originally.
Since the price has went up (your gain) and no shipping was required (again your gain)
Mabey a little less on the overall price may help get it sold. But forcing that amp with the
Package deal may be a hard pill to swallow for some combined with local pick-up only makes your
situation a little more difficult. As much as you like that amp for some it has to be a complete deal breaker.
You have a beautifull subwoofer and with time it will get sold. It only takes one.
Once again 2 cents and a guess but mabey what you paid and include free shipping and paypal fees might
get it sold faster.
I look forward to your next subwoofer purchase and your reviews.
Good Luck
Chris

"Anyone can read back through this thread and figure out what you paid originally.
Since the price has went up (your gain) and no shipping was required (again your gain)"

Well, I guess if they didn't/hadn't they can/will now, lol. I have nothing to hide, so I got in just before the modest price increase...happens all the time.

and regarding the "package sale" ...I never really "forced" all the of gear, I initially listed it with all of it, but always left the sale of just the Cap on the table and even preferred that it end up that way (just the Cap selling) as I like and intend to use the processor and amplifier with my new project if the new owner did not need them. I undertook the aforementioned approach, understanding that most on the boards here really prefer the plug and play option, I figured at $1800 it beat the pants off the $4,300 powered option from JTR direct at a cost of a few dbs.

More imperatively though: for weeks now I've had JUST the Captivator listed well below what I paid for it, to no avail. Seeing there's about 15 million people living within an hour of me, you'd think I'd find a single buyer, but, sigh, I guess not.

I appreciate your perspective, thanks, but I'm not going to give it away. I figure a product like this in impeccable condition would move at 5-$600 less than what it currently costs, new.

But apparently, I'm wrong, lol. It's an amazing subwoofer and I have no regrets of its purchase and holding onto it if need be.

James
Edited by mastermaybe - 11/15/12 at 12:20pm
post #4024 of 4725
James
I just saw your newer price.
That is an Excellent Deal.
It should not take long now.
Chris
post #4025 of 4725
James - X2 you have a great price. What might (and will) help the sale would be some close up pictures of that gorgeous finish. I sell stuff all the time online and pictures always seal the deal. cool.gif
post #4026 of 4725
I'm really surprised it hasn't sold. Like you I would hold out indefinitely if I didn't get a fair price and just keep it if need be, it's an amazing sub.
post #4027 of 4725

Cap is on the back right of the couch.

Still trying to figure out a good set up because the L/R speakers are too far apart and the center is too close to the listening position. I just might have to get rid of the middle cabinet and just get a small rack for the equipment. Put the sub in the middle and center on top of the sub.

So this is how it would look.
--TV--

-center-
L -Cap-- --Rack-- R


Or, sell the Cap, and L/C/R and get floor standers and call it a day. Or sell the cap and get two smaller subs? My problem is I don't think I am getting the full use of the cap because of the new apartment and I don't need anything this big anymore. If I get towers and run them at "large" all day long then I will be ok It's just not sounding the way I like it.
post #4028 of 4725
Don't sell the cap. Try it up front like you are thinking. You will not be as happy with floor standers. You could even use the cap as your center channel stand.
Edited by Jedirun - 12/13/12 at 2:10pm
post #4029 of 4725
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Originally Posted by Jedirun View Post

Don't sell the cap. Try it up front like you are thinking. You will now be as happy with floor standers. You could even use the cap as your center channel stand.
Actually, I am going to use the wall on the left side for the TV. So the living room will rotate left by 90 degrees. It's a bigger wall and I would be able to fit everything by there. I don't know why I never thought of this before. I figured that the TV should go where it use to be in the old apartment but that's not going to happen.
post #4030 of 4725
Done. The room look and feel amazing now. I was able to get all the speakers together up front the way it suppose to be. Now the Cap is on the front left of the listening position. First impressions, the sub sound even better there. I have to run some adjustments tonight but it worked out.
post #4031 of 4725
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Originally Posted by Hksvr4 View Post

Done. The room look and feel amazing now. I was able to get all the speakers together up front the way it suppose to be. Now the Cap is on the front left of the listening position. First impressions, the sub sound even better there. I have to run some adjustments tonight but it worked out.

Nice work. Make sure you post some new pics. It is always a good idea to re-design your room around the Cap!
post #4032 of 4725
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Originally Posted by btinindy View Post

Nice work. Make sure you post some new pics. It is always a good idea to re-design your room around the Cap!

Yep, that's what I did. I'll post some pics tonight. The is so much bigger now. Like your avatar btw. If Alonso didn't have all those accidents, it would have been him on the top. It's just Redbull is so consistent and fast.
post #4033 of 4725
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Originally Posted by Hksvr4 View Post

Yep, that's what I did. I'll post some pics tonight. The is so much bigger now. Like your avatar btw. If Alonso didn't have all those accidents, it would have been him on the top. It's just Redbull is so consistent and fast.

Red Bull's Engineers are ahead of their time and their drivers have proven to be very good. What Vettel pulled off on Sunday, with all that went wrong was nothing short of awesome and he deservedly won.

I was actually pulling for Alonso to win. He is first class and a heck of a driver to have as many podium finishes with a clearly inferior car design (Downforce). It was a fun year of racing and I think next year should be very good as well. It was great to see F1 back in the States and also great that it came down to the last race again!

Sorry for OT!
post #4034 of 4725
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Originally Posted by btinindy View Post

Red Bull's Engineers are ahead of their time and their drivers have proven to be very good. What Vettel pulled off on Sunday, with all that went wrong was nothing short of awesome and he deservedly won.
I was actually pulling for Alonso to win. He is first class and a heck of a driver to have as many podium finishes with a clearly inferior car design (Downforce). It was a fun year of racing and I think next year should be very good as well. It was great to see F1 back in the States and also great that it came down to the last race again!
Sorry for OT!
++1. Stick to the subject! Go Ferrari!
post #4035 of 4725
You know when the sub is set up correctly is when the bass sounds like it's coming from the speakers. What's what I was missing all along.
post #4036 of 4725
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

++1. Stick to the subject! Go Ferrari!

Haha. No mods coming down on me!
post #4037 of 4725

I still have alot of cleaning to do but this is how the set up looks. That's a 60" LCD for reference. Sorry about the photo it was taken at night with my phone.
post #4038 of 4725
Looking good. You should throw some camouflage paint on the Cap and it would disappear with the plant cover. Extra bonus that you said it sounds better.
post #4039 of 4725
Well, Jeff dropped off 300 lbs of subs today along with two slant 8's. As I said in the speaker thread, very cool of him to drive down to Chicago to drop them off. Thanks, Jeff!
post #4040 of 4725
Guys - I've listed my pair of passive Captivators in the classifieds section. I believe they're priced very aggressively - let me know if you think otherwise. tongue.gif
post #4041 of 4725
Hello all!

I hope everyone had a good Christmas! I have to tell you guys about a terrific test for the captivator that I just discovered. On Amazon's mp3 site there is an old school album from 1992 if I remember right by Bass Mechanik: Quad Maximus for those of you who weren't into that kind of music at the time. This album has a sine sweep from 20khz-20hz and various other frequencies that you can pay to download. They go from 10hz up to 100hz in 4-5hz increments (10hz-15hz as an example) if I remember right!!! My personal favorite is the bass test!! Holy crap my 2400 watt powered Cap hasn't seen that kind of output until today! Computer love a.m. by Techmaster p.e.b. is another oldie goldie that's worth checking out along with a song called 'Thru the night' off of the bass cube 3 album!

Take Care and "Play It Loud!"
post #4042 of 4725
I think it might interest some to hear this little tale.

I heard a pair of sealed Dayton 18" drivers in a 6.4 cubic foot dual opposed sealed enclosure - built by avsforum member MrSmithers. It was exceptional. It was based on the Gorilla83 design, but incorporated a couple minor changes. I thought it sounded nearly identical to the Submersive HP we A/B'ed it with, except the Dayton 18" pair had a bit more headroom (as it should with two 18" drivers rather than 2 15" drivers with similar amp power and EQ). MrSmithers had done some fancy EQ working using the minidsp to make it match the submersive HP EQ for our demo session and it was powered by a single channel of a Cerwin Vega CV-5000 amp. To put it bluntly it was very impressive. Most of the guys in KC are now going to sealed subs in multiples based on this type of design. Carp, Luke Kamp, KCNitro07, MrSmithers. I don't blame them for a second. However - - - in my personal and subjective opinion, I still like the sound signature of the JTR Captivators better than the sound signature of the Submersive HP which I've spent quite a bit of time with - - - even having them in my own room on several occassions. I've A/B'ed the Submersive HP and the JTR Captivator at LEAST a half dozen times in meet settings. So based on the nearly identical sound of the dual opposed Dayton 18"ers I won't be jumping ship to DIY sealed at this time. It's almost a welcome relief to me that I don't have to 'reset'. I'm really quite happy with the Captivators even in the face of the recent dirt cheap SI 18" driver group buy. I guess I just wanted to point out that sealed subs in multiples isn't the end all for everyone as seems to be the sweeping trend lately. If you like the sonic signature of the ported Captivators better - then you'll probably still like them better in the face of multiples of the sealed sound. I did. It'll be fun to hear eight of those 18" DIY drivers in carp's room when he's done with the project, and he'll have absolutely absurd output!!! However, I don't expect it'll be a different sound with eight - - just louder. So far, and into the forseable future, the JTR Captivator is still my personal favorite sounding subwoofer. When I hear something I think is significantly better, then I'll 'upgrade' --- until then --- I'll be rocking the JTR Caps --- still the best sounding subwoofer I've ever heard!
post #4043 of 4725
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Originally Posted by Archaea View Post

I think it might interest some to hear this little tale.
I heard a pair of sealed Dayton 18" drivers in a 6.4 cubic foot dual opposed sealed enclosure - built by avsforum member MrSmithers. It was exceptional. It was based on the Gorilla83 design, but incorporated a couple minor changes. I thought it sounded nearly identical to the Submersive HP we A/B'ed it with, except the Dayton 18" pair had a bit more headroom (as it should with two 18" drivers rather than 2 15" drivers with similar amp power and EQ). MrSmithers had done some fancy EQ working using the minidsp to make it match the submersive HP EQ for our demo session and it was powered by a single channel of a Cerwin Vega CV-5000 amp. To put it bluntly it was very impressive. Most of the guys in KC are now going to sealed subs in multiples based on this type of design. Carp, Luke Kamp, KCNitro07, MrSmithers. I don't blame them for a second. However - - - in my personal and subjective opinion, I still like the sound signature of the JTR Captivators better than the sound signature of the Submersive HP which I've spent quite a bit of time with - - - even having them in my own room on several occassions. I've A/B'ed the Submersive HP and the JTR Captivator at LEAST a half dozen times in meet settings. So based on the nearly identical sound of the dual opposed Dayton 18"ers I won't be jumping ship to DIY sealed at this time. It's almost a welcome relief to me that I don't have to 'reset'. I'm really quite happy with the Captivators even in the face of the recent dirt cheap SI 18" driver group buy. I guess I just wanted to point out that sealed subs in multiples isn't the end all for everyone as seems to be the sweeping trend lately. If you like the sonic signature of the ported Captivators better - then you'll probably still like them better in the face of multiples of the sealed sound. I did. It'll be fun to hear eight of those 18" DIY drivers in carp's room when he's done with the project, and he'll have absolutely absurd output!!! However, I don't expect it'll be a different sound with eight - - just louder. So far, and into the forseable future, the JTR Captivator is still my personal favorite sounding subwoofer. When I hear something I think is significantly better, then I'll 'upgrade' --- until then --- I'll be rocking the JTR Caps --- still the best sounding subwoofer I've ever heard!

I love that you know what you like and stick to it! You own some awesome subs!

 

Having said that, I know what your ultimate sub setup would be: 2 or more S2s! Get the sound of the captivator, but don't have the extension limitations of the ported design! Full bandwidth Captivator sound! Start saving... wink.gif

post #4044 of 4725
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Originally Posted by Archaea View Post

I think it might interest some to hear this little tale.
I heard a pair of sealed Dayton 18" drivers in a 6.4 cubic foot dual opposed sealed enclosure - built by avsforum member MrSmithers. It was exceptional. It was based on the Gorilla83 design, but incorporated a couple minor changes. I thought it sounded nearly identical to the Submersive HP we A/B'ed it with, except the Dayton 18" pair had a bit more headroom (as it should with two 18" drivers rather than 2 15" drivers with similar amp power and EQ). MrSmithers had done some fancy EQ working using the minidsp to make it match the submersive HP EQ for our demo session and it was powered by a single channel of a Cerwin Vega CV-5000 amp. To put it bluntly it was very impressive. Most of the guys in KC are now going to sealed subs in multiples based on this type of design. Carp, Luke Kamp, KCNitro07, MrSmithers. I don't blame them for a second. However - - - in my personal and subjective opinion, I still like the sound signature of the JTR Captivators better than the sound signature of the Submersive HP which I've spent quite a bit of time with - - - even having them in my own room on several occassions. I've A/B'ed the Submersive HP and the JTR Captivator at LEAST a half dozen times in meet settings. So based on the nearly identical sound of the dual opposed Dayton 18"ers I won't be jumping ship to DIY sealed at this time. It's almost a welcome relief to me that I don't have to 'reset'. I'm really quite happy with the Captivators even in the face of the recent dirt cheap SI 18" driver group buy. I guess I just wanted to point out that sealed subs in multiples isn't the end all for everyone as seems to be the sweeping trend lately. If you like the sonic signature of the ported Captivators better - then you'll probably still like them better in the face of multiples of the sealed sound. I did. It'll be fun to hear eight of those 18" DIY drivers in carp's room when he's done with the project, and he'll have absolutely absurd output!!! However, I don't expect it'll be a different sound with eight - - just louder. So far, and into the forseable future, the JTR Captivator is still my personal favorite sounding subwoofer. When I hear something I think is significantly better, then I'll 'upgrade' --- until then --- I'll be rocking the JTR Caps --- still the best sounding subwoofer I've ever heard!

Right on! Like we discussed earlier if everyone has the same setup than our future GTG's wouldn't be very interesting. I love the caps too and they have a great (unique) sound. I'm glad you were able to audition the 18" DO setup though.

Now when are you adding a second pair? biggrin.gifwink.gif
post #4045 of 4725
Has archaea ever do a blind test himself?
post #4046 of 4725
only on speakers...

I've only hosted blind sub tests.


that said I've heard both caps and submersives played at their limits in my own room while a/b directly on two occasions at the two meets i've hosted and had a few days to play with them on my own. I've also heard them lined up at carps, huskeromahas, and gorilla83s lined up in a face off. outside of the direct a/b meets I've heard the submersives dozens of times on many different occasions. I've heard five play at councils house and three play at gorilla83s house, and a pair at several houses including carps and my own.

that's a LOT of playtime all combined. I remain a strong captivator fan despite easily acknowledging the submersive is a fantastic sub!

the first time I heard them matched up I didn't have a bias because I didn't own either, and didn't know much of anything about either.

in the various meets I've been to I've almost universally preferred ported sub sound when sealed vs ported subs are compared of equivalent vendor or price point.

subjective personal preference
post #4047 of 4725
I hear ya, but the reason the Dayton's and Submersives sound very similar is because they were close in output and response. The caps have a huge output advantage at and around tune so that will always sway things. I have said it before, if I had to just buy a single or dual subs it would be dual Caps, dual OS, or dual DTS-10's because they would sound best to me. The only way I would go sealed is if I had enough output to match those subs and it takes at least 4 and more.
post #4048 of 4725
Hey Archaea,

What are your feelings between the different Caps? Sealed vs ported OS and whatnot. I too prefer the sound signature of the Caps to all of other manufactures that I have heard thus far.
post #4049 of 4725
Also one of the disadvantages of the multiple subs that Carp and I talked about on the way home was EQ. If he runs them all off one channel thats a whole lot of subs to be EQ'ed as one. Now running two channels would be better and the more the merrier. I guess it will come down to placement.
post #4050 of 4725
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Originally Posted by stitch1 View Post

Also one of the disadvantages of the multiple subs that Carp and I talked about on the way home was EQ. If he runs them all off one channel thats a whole lot of subs to be EQ'ed as one. Now running two channels would be better and the more the merrier. I guess it will come down to placement.
In a lot of the subwoofer forums it is recommended to EQ multiple subs as one. If you have stereo subs you can still EQ as one depending on what you're using to EQ. What does Jeff recommend for his Caps?
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