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post #4291 of 4725
Thanks, yea its setup properly, it almost the same as the empire, although the empire has more upper bass.
post #4292 of 4725
Just return it and get either a Captivator S2 or Orbit Shifter and be done with it. No further reason to upgrade!...lol
post #4293 of 4725
Umm yea thats way to much for me, i was thinking the S1 or the 1000
post #4294 of 4725
So why did you go with a single XS30 from two epik empires?

You went from four 15" drivers with 1200 watts RMS in the pair of empires.
to
two 15" drivers with 750 watts RMS in a single XS30.


Even two XS30 to two Empire would be more of a slight lateral move than a huge upgrade?
I'm not sure why you'd expect an improvement there?


A JTR Captivator sounds like a good match for you - but seeing that you weren't happy with the output from four 15" drivers in a small room, I don't think a Cap 1000 is the right choice.

Epike Empires aren't a bad sub and two of them in a small room should have satisfied most.

Go big or go home. Orbit Shifter, or Captivator ported - skip the S2 because the others put out more output and you seem like an output first guy over extension.
post #4295 of 4725
There's a pair of used passive Captivator in the classifieds listed for $1250 but he's excepting offers. You could get those and pick up an amp to power them.
And you can upgrade them to the new drivers for $600 each.
post #4296 of 4725
Quote:
Originally Posted by Archaea View Post

So why did you go with a single XS30 from two epik empires?

You went from four 15" drivers with 1200 watts RMS in the pair of empires.
to
two 15" drivers with 750 watts RMS in a single XS30.


Even two XS30 to two Empire would be more of a slight lateral move than a huge upgrade?
I'm not sure why you'd expect an improvement there?


A JTR Captivator sounds like a good match for you - but seeing that you weren't happy with the output from four 15" drivers in a small room, I don't think a Cap 1000 is the right choice.

Epike Empires aren't a bad sub and two of them in a small room should have satisfied most.

Go big or go home. Orbit Shifter, or Captivator ported - skip the S2 because the others put out more output and you seem like an output first guy over extension.
I was gonna get 2 XS-30's but after i got it today, i think i need to try something else, the output ismgood, but i,keep getting the drivers to flutter, i want to be able to watch a movie and not worrie about a sub making a noise.
post #4297 of 4725
Yeah sorry Josh but why would you go from dual Empires to a single XS30 and hope it would be an improvement?
post #4298 of 4725
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Originally Posted by jbrown15 View Post

Yeah sorry Josh but why would you go from dual Empires to a single XS30 and hope it would be an improvement?
i was gonna get 2 XS-30's, first because of customer servic, If my amps crap out, Chad most likely wont be there, second because i wasnt thnking straight at the time of my purchase.
post #4299 of 4725
What about the Captivator 1000 vs the SVS PB-13Ultra.
post #4300 of 4725
The SVS PB13 Ultra has 7db on the Empire at 20HZ..
post #4301 of 4725
WOW just saw on databass that the Rythmik FV15HP, has almost the same spl numbers as the SVS PB-13ultra but for way less.
post #4302 of 4725
You should probably start another thread if you wanted to talk about subs other then a Captivator or JTR subs in this thread.
post #4303 of 4725
Your right, im sorry, ifmanybody has thought on the subs i listed compared to the Cap 1000, let me know.
post #4304 of 4725
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Originally Posted by Joshjp View Post

Your right, im sorry, ifmanybody has thought on the subs i listed compared to the Cap 1000, let me know.

I didn't mean that in a negative way, I just meant if you were going to talk about multiple subs you should probably start your own thread. And list stuff like room layout, current setup and the all important budget. You'll probably get the answers you're looking for faster that way.
post #4305 of 4725
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Originally Posted by jbrown15 View Post

I didn't mean that in a negative way, I just meant if you were going to talk about multiple subs you should probably start your own thread. And list stuff like room layout, current setup and the all important budget. You'll probably get the answers you're looking for faster that way.
i didnt take offence to you comment, im just going crazy today about subs, thanks for setting me straight:D.
post #4306 of 4725
Thread Starter 
Dual Captivator S2's made an appearence at the North East Speaker Shootout. Some interesting comments here and here ...

Lot's of great sounding speakers and a pair of S2's ... doesn't get any better than that!smile.gif
post #4307 of 4725
Now if I could only figure out a way to afford the $6000 price tag for dual S2's I'll be all set!.....lol biggrin.gif
post #4308 of 4725
As an owner of dual s2 i can honestly not be happier. I have never even given one second of thought to trying a different sub. They do everything so well. Glad the folks at the shoot out got to enjoy what they can do
post #4309 of 4725
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Originally Posted by Frohlich View Post

As an owner of dual s2 i can honestly not be happier. I have never even given one second of thought to trying a different sub. They do everything so well. Glad the folks at the shoot out got to enjoy what they can do

After having dual S2's honestly other then some crazy DIY setup what could really be better then dual S2's. Frohlich you have one sick setup!
post #4310 of 4725
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Originally Posted by Frohlich View Post

As an owner of dual s2 i can honestly not be happier. I have never even given one second of thought to trying a different sub. They do everything so well. Glad the folks at the shoot out got to enjoy what they can do
Not having experienced dual S2's, but being the owner of 1, I have to say that even a single S2 is pretty amazing. It hits reference in my room without breaking a sweat. The bass is extremely clean and detailed. Once I get to 5-10 db above reference, my room starts to add noise from the house shaking, but the S2 itself stays crystal clear. What else could I ask for.
post #4311 of 4725
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Originally Posted by Archaea View Post

There are a lot of REW threads, especially over at Home Theater Shack . com where they can probably get you up and running faster than we. When omnimic is referred to around here - we are generally speaking about this product - http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=390-792 I sort of grimaced when I saw Behringer sells that Omni directional mic and I hope you understood what you were buying. REW is a very powerful free tool and it's a good tool, but it's more complicated than Dayton audio's omnimic - which is plug in play - no spl meter needed, no sound card needed, no calibrated mic required - it includes all that. I'm glad you are working on smoothing out your response through EQ. It can only get better from here!

Archaea, so I've now got the Dayton V2 Omnimic (three days from USA to Melbourne impressive!). I just wanted to make sure that I dont waste any time on this. Am I correct in saying that I now dont need to use REW? I just use the software provided with the V2? Will be using for the first time tomorrow is it just a matter of following instructions and smoothing bass response will be simple from there using parametric EQ on MIC2200?

Thanks

AJ
post #4312 of 4725
Yes you do not need REW now.

Just setup the omnimic using the code download based on your Mic id. Set your Mic settings according to the popup Note when you plug it in, and measure. Set to about 1/12 smoothing for starters. Focus your frequency range between 15 and 120hz in the software and then use the two parametric eqs on the Mic 2200 to try to flatten the frequency response in your main seat.
post #4313 of 4725
Thanks for that. Had a chance to play around today with the V2 Omnimic. What a great piece of gear. Even for a novice like me was really easy to get going with it. I performed just some basic tests (frequency between 10-180Hz) setting up as I would normally listen with Omnimic on boom stand. I think it was pretty crude measurement I performed and my goal was to just get a flatter response. I achieved this with a couple of bumps around the 40 and 60Hz mark but not too far off a flat line up to 100Hz. I did a bit of A/B testing and preferred the original setting pre Omnimic easily even though frequency response showed a few mountain like peaks way off the grey line. This sounded much better though e.g slam impact. Maybe the flatter response was a tiny bit tighter but overall impact, slam wasn't there anywhere near as much but didn't sound too bad either. I am still needing a fix almost daily of this thing (The CAP) with its tremendous house shaking body slamming capabilities. I think I've watched more movies in less than 6 months than I have in the last ten years! I'm sure I've only scratched the surface with regards to Omnimic and interpreting the data, settings etc. I can at least keep coming back to the measuring as I learn more about it. I didn't really give it a caning today and was able to reach 110db peak using the SPL setting. I'm sure that's not even close to what you guys have generated but one quiet day Ill really let it rip to see what it can do.
post #4314 of 4725
You are using track 2 on the omnimic cd to plot the frequency response right?

Can you post non eq and eq graphs from the software for us?
post #4315 of 4725
Archaea

Yes, I am using track 2 on omnimic CD, I used 1/6th smoothing (will try 1/12) and did all other things you suggested with the exception of the frequency range which I'll narrow down a bit. Going to give it another go tomorrow and will try and save/post graphs as requested. One thing I couldnt work out was how to get the Standard average (grey line) to be around the 75dB mark without a lot of compensation in the Parametric EQ screen? This bit I dont understand among other things like PEQ settings and how they interact with signal as changing them didnt seem to have any effect on signal. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Please tell me if this needs to be outside this thread but I guess it does relate to Passive CAP EQ. Cheers.
post #4316 of 4725
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Originally Posted by Archaea View Post

You are using track 2 on the omnimic cd to plot the frequency response right?

Can you post non eq and eq graphs from the software for us?

Ive hopefully done this right. I used track 2 on CD and 1/12th smoothing.

-First graph is labelled as NON EQ

-Second graph is what I currently listen

-Third graph is with adjustment done to as flat as I can get the line between 20Hz and 100Hz

No EQ HPF Activated 1.jpg 59k .jpg file

EQ current listening setting.jpg 58k .jpg file

Behringer MIC2200 settings (graph 2)

HPF: ON 18Hz FRQ Hz: 70Hz OCTAVE BANDWIDTH: 0.32 LEVEL: -10dB OUTPUT: 0dB

EQ Adjusted for flattest response 1.jpg 58k .jpg file

Behringer MIC2200 settings (graph 3)

HPF: ON 18Hz FRQ Hz: 40Hz OCTAVE BANDWIDTH: 1.50 LEVEL: -10dB OUTPUT: 0dB

Hope this makes some sense any feedback appreciated

AJ
Edited by AJ72 - 4/19/13 at 6:07am
post #4317 of 4725
I managed to take one more measurement (see below) and I think this one has made quite a difference and its the flattest. Much more feel, bass is fuller and impact is increased. Doing some A/B testing my previous setting (graph 2 previous post) sounds a lot skinnier. Ive put the settings of the Parametric EQ below the attachment (sorry havent worked out how to send graphs properly yet).

flattest.jpg 59k .jpg file


Behringer MIC 2200 settings]:

HPF ON: 18Hz FRQ Hz: 68Hz OCTAVE BAND: 0.2 LEVEL: +4dB OUTPUT: 0dB
Edited by AJ72 - 4/19/13 at 6:08am
post #4318 of 4725
Call me. I'll pm you my number. I don't want to type out everything I'm thinking on my tablet.

Several concerns.

1) why is your bottom end rolling off at 25Hz. Have you turned off your hpf filter and measured? Have you adjusted the hpf filter knob in real time while measuring with omnimic? Either your hpf is set too high or your subwoofer has a placement problem and needs to be moved. That 18Hz to 25Hz range is a lot of fun with movies and you are missing it now.

2) have you turned off all eq in the avr before taking measurements and adjusting with the omnimic and Mic2200? That is the proper order. Set up sub eq manually with no eq from any other source in the chain, then rerun room correction software like ympo, Macc, or audyssey.

3) level set the sub spl after every eq change. Make sure the spl is the same using the omnimic and your avr test tones. Some of the variances you describe May simply be that the sub is not playing as loud or is playing louder than the previous setting after the eq change.

4) daisey chain the two channels of the Mic2200, so you can get two parametric eq functions. Avr sub out goes to channel one Mic2200 input. Channel 1 Mic2200 output feeds to channel 2 Mic2200 in. Channel 2 Mic2200 out feeds to your subwoofer amplifier. You can use a cable like this to daisy chain the two Mic2200 channels. Product 4749 from monoprice.
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=115&cp_id=11509&cs_id=1150902&p_id=4749&seq=1&format=2
Then you can give a little boost around 30Hz to help too.



PS. What is the yellow line on all your graphs? I may just be having difficulties with my android device seeing things but I can't tell what the blue and yellow line differences are supposed to represent on my small tablet screen.
post #4319 of 4725
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frohlich View Post

As an owner of dual s2 i can honestly not be happier. I have never even given one second of thought to trying a different sub. They do everything so well. Glad the folks at the shoot out got to enjoy what they can do
Good to hear! Awaiting my pair at the moment. Can't probably accurately report whether the paying, or the waiting was/is the harder part (actually I guess the waiting at this stage, inasmuch as no money has left me to pay the credit card company). Didn't really read an extraordinary whole lot before making the purchase, so nice to hear those that made the leap feel good about it.....
post #4320 of 4725
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Originally Posted by Archaea View Post

Call me. I'll pm you my number. I don't want to type out everything I'm thinking on my tablet.

Several concerns.

1) why is your bottom end rolling off at 25Hz. Have you turned off your hpf filter and measured? Have you adjusted the hpf filter knob in real time while measuring with omnimic? Either your hpf is set too high or your subwoofer has a placement problem and needs to be moved. That 18Hz to 25Hz range is a lot of fun with movies and you are missing it now.

2) have you turned off all eq in the avr before taking measurements and adjusting with the omnimic and Mic2200? That is the proper order. Set up sub eq manually with no eq from any other source in the chain, then rerun room correction software like ympo, Macc, or audyssey.

3) level set the sub spl after every eq change. Make sure the spl is the same using the omnimic and your avr test tones. Some of the variances you describe May simply be that the sub is not playing as loud or is playing louder than the previous setting after the eq change.

4) daisey chain the two channels of the Mic2200, so you can get two parametric eq functions. Avr sub out goes to channel one Mic2200 input. Channel 1 Mic2200 output feeds to channel 2 Mic2200 in. Channel 2 Mic2200 out feeds to your subwoofer amplifier. You can use a cable like this to daisy chain the two Mic2200 channels. Product 4749 from monoprice.
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=115&cp_id=11509&cs_id=1150902&p_id=4749&seq=1&format=2
Then you can give a little boost around 30Hz to help too.



PS. What is the yellow line on all your graphs? I may just be having difficulties with my android device seeing things but I can't tell what the blue and yellow line differences are supposed to represent on my small tablet screen.

The yellow line represents an overall average I think (including when the track stops and line drops down before restarting again), the blue line is the actual measurement. Appreciate all the help here as I now now a bit more about what I dont know thanks to your post. To answer the above I did notice the line doesn't pick up until around 25Hz which I thought didnt look right but couldn't find a way to rectify this. I did lower the HPF to 12Hz (lowest setting) in real time which had little effect the only thing I didnt try was disengaging it altogether. Will try this. I have got subwoofer filters on Preamp set about 80 Hz..... With the MIC2200 engaged maybe I shouldnt have anything on at all? Will definitely turn off for next Omnimic session. A few other things you have suggested I definitely havent done (like level setting spl after each EQ change. I did notice my Omnimic reading was a bit higher than the sub test tone setting too. Have sent PM.

AJ
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