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post #31 of 353
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Originally Posted by nboemio View Post

I notice that on the back of the NR1501 there is only a pre-out for the sub woofer. Does this mean I can't use a wireless transmitter for rear speakers? I thought this needed to plug into pre-outs? Is this right? I'm a newbie on this stuff so I apologize if it's a dumb question.

If the wireless transmitter uses "line-level" wiring with RCA connectors, then no, the 1501 cannot be used with that. However, some wireless transmitters can connect to speaker outputs. I've never used one, so I can't recommend a model.
post #32 of 353
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Originally Posted by funkyman View Post

i have the SONY head set connected to optical out on the Comcast and not TV .
Now shall i connect the comcast HDMI out directly to the Samsung or shall i go through one of the Marantz HDMI inputs and out from Marantz into the Samsung. Pls advise.

The receiver does have menus which need a TV to display them, so the simplest cabling would be to connect everything to the 1501 and connect its HDMI output to the TV. (This does not prevent direct connections to the TV if there are additional connections available.)

The 1501 does not have either optical or RF digital audio outputs. If you can connect the headphones to its front-panel stereo headphone jack, then you can listen to whatever is connected to the receiver, including TV audio.
post #33 of 353
Thank you Selden for your reply and suggestions.

When you say it might have problems with the loudest sounds are you suggesting distortion that might harm the speakers. I am hoping the Marantz will have a "cleaner" and more "mellow" sound. I find the Sony has an "edgy" sound. The unit will be mainly used for movies and concerts on blu-ray.

When it comes down to it, the size of the receiver is my main reason for considering this Marantz. Otherwise I may have to change the cabinet.

I will see if my store will give me a loaner as you suggested.
post #34 of 353
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Originally Posted by fstevens View Post

Thank you Selden for your reply and suggestions.

You're quite welcome.

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When you say it might have problems with the loudest sounds are you suggesting distortion that might harm the speakers.

Maybe. It depends. Sorry for being wishy-washy, but this is a relatively low power receiver. Clipping due to high signal levels (and thus risk to tweeters) does need to be considered. I think it'd be best used with high efficiency speakers in a small room. I'd completely forgotten that the speakers I have in the bedroom are 4ohms. If I'd remembered, I might have chosen something different.

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I am hoping the Marantz will have a "cleaner" and more "mellow" sound. I find the Sony has an "edgy" sound. The unit will be mainly used for movies and concerts on blu-ray.

I have never owned a Sony receiver or amp, so I can't judge that. Other things being the same (speakers & room) I prefer how Marantz equipment sounds when compared to Pioneer; or at least how it sounds compared to the Pioneer VSX-D906S receiver I've had forever.
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When it comes down to it, the size of the receiver is my main reason for considering this Marantz. Otherwise I may have to change the cabinet.

Preamp/processors usually tend to be smaller than receivers. Would the use of separate amplifiers placed elsewhere be a viable option? That would probably be a lot more expensive, though.

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I will see if my store will give me a loaner as you suggested.

Best of luck!
post #35 of 353
I'm looking for one of these in silver for a small livingroom system for my mom. Will the silver version be available in North America, or would I have to purchase one f rom overseas?
post #36 of 353
I was wondering the same thing because i quite like the silver one.
post #37 of 353
How well do you guys think this little monster would work out with the Energy Take 5 set? Newegg just had a killer deal on them, so I bought a set for my bedroom.

I'm really digging the small form factor. I have an Onkyo 506 that I was planning on using. The setup in the bedroom will mainly be used for gaming/TV duties, with the occasional movie here and there. It's a small room, 12'x14'.

I haven't picked up a sub yet. I'm looking for something small that I can hide fairly easily.
post #38 of 353
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Originally Posted by The Furious One View Post

How well do you guys think this little monster would work out with the Energy Take 5 set? Newegg just had a killer deal on them, so I bought a set for my bedroom.

I'm really digging the small form factor. I have an Onkyo 506 that I was planning on using. The setup in the bedroom will mainly be used for gaming/TV duties, with the occasional movie here and there. It's a small room, 12'x14'.

I haven't picked up a sub yet. I'm looking for something small that I can hide fairly easily.

My guess is that it'd be OK. The speakers are claimed to be 8 ohms with an 89db efficiency.

(I know nothing about the availability of the silver model in the U.S.)
post #39 of 353
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I may have jumped to conclusions.
It may be due to the player (Pioneer BDP-120)
See later post below.
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There is a significant audio decoder problem in the NR1501:

There is a 1/10 - 1/4 second dropout when the receiver starts to decode a digital audio data stream. The dropout when starting to decode a CD's PCM audio through an RF S/PDIF connection in Stereo Direct mode seems to be significantly shorter than when starting to decode Dolby Digital audio over HDMI in auto surround mode.

This became painfully obvious while watching the various special features on the Jurassic Park III DVD. The video for one of the presentations would appear onscreen, silently for a short interval, then the sound would start. Too often it lost a syllable or more of the voiceover.

CD audio dropouts happen whenever skipping from one track to the next: the first few notes are lost.

p.s. I've submitted a problem report using the Marantz Customer Support Web site. Now to see if they respond....
post #40 of 353
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

There is a significant audio decoder problem in the NR1501:

This became painfully obvious while watching the various special features on the Jurassic Park III DVD. The video for one of the presentations would appear onscreen, silently for a short interval, then the sound would start. Too often it lost a syllable or more of the voiceover.

p.s. I've submitted a problem report using the Marantz Customer Support Web site. Now to see if they respond....

hi,
does this mean the audio ends up out of sync or just that you miss the first ~1sec of audio?

by the way, thanks for tracking this. please keep the thread informed on what marantz says.

cheers.b
post #41 of 353
Blake,

It's just dropout. What is heard is synced with the video.

However, further investigation seems to indicate that most of it may be related to my el-cheapo Pioneer BDP-120. Playing the same JP3 DVD on my Pioneer DVF-727 changer using RF S/PDIF audio and component video connections, I don't have the dropout problem: audio starts at the same time as the video whether using auto surround or source-direct processing.

I guess I'll have to try a more expensive BD player.
post #42 of 353
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

Blake,

It's just dropout. What is heard is synced with the video.

However, further investigation seems to indicate that most of it may be related to my el-cheapo Pioneer BDP-120. Playing the same JP3 DVD on my Pioneer DVF-727 changer using RF S/PDIF audio and component video connections, I don't have the dropout problem: audio starts at the same time as the video whether using auto surround or source-direct processing.

I guess I'll have to try a more expensive BD player.

in all due respect, the 120 is rebadged crap from sharp. the one i tested had tons of gremlins too.
post #43 of 353
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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

in all due respect, the 120 is rebadged crap from sharp. the one i tested had tons of gremlins too.

I obviously should have spent time researching it, but it was on sale at BB and I had no BD player at all. At least it doesn't do nasty things to the image -- granted, that's hard to do when it's all digital with no dropouts . I'll be investigating other options.

FWIW, I've reported the problem on the Pioneer web site.
post #44 of 353





Features:
  • 7 ch Discrete Analog Amplifier (50 watts x 7) in Slim Design Chassis
  • HDMI 1.3 x4 Inputs / x1 Output
  • Decoding of Dolby TrueHD, dts-HD Master Audio
  • Video Converter for All Analog Sources to HDMI
  • Independent Audio Board for Improved Sound
  • Simple Set-up with MRAC Auto Calibration
  • Component Video x3 Inputs / x1 Output
  • Analog Audio Inputs x5, Digital Audio Inputs x3
  • Marantz Remote D-Bus In/Out Jacks
  • Detachable Power Cord
  • On Screen Display for Setup through HDMI out
  • Glow Key, Precode Remote Control

I just bought this two days ago and I am still learning the intricacy of the setup and calibration - I'll be able to give a better review once I've had time to real dig into it's nuances.

However, at first glance: I do like the look and full of the receiver - I was surprised by how short this receiver truly was. The Harman Kardon AVR154 that I previously owned was easily double the height.

The OSD is easy to configure - I did have to allow for alittle acclimation as it was slightly different than the H/K OSD - with that said, the Marantz OSD seemed dumbed down and remedial...perhaps it simply doesn't need as much configuring head-room...I'm not sure yet. I'll continue to tinker.

The audio codecs shine here - full suite of Dolby and DTS, including the TrueHD and Master Audio lossless codecs. I have set up my two other surrounds for full 7.1 and perhaps that is why Dolby Digital ES sounded much more dramatic than when I switch to TrueHD (Bourne Ultimatum) ... again, some tinkering is in store.

Let's talk about what I don't like: no pre-amp outs mean no headroom for expansion in the amplification area (which I may not need since the room I currently have setup doesn't need that much power pumped through the soundstage....unless I'm trying to peel paint off the walls!)
Secondly, no 5.1 analog inputs...however, since I am going full HDMI, this isn't really a huge issue.
Third: no zone two or zone three. Again, since I'm planning on doing 7.1, this isn't a show stopper - however, I was kinda looking forward to setting up a second area, perhaps the back patio, with some speakers.

Buying the Marantz over the H/K AVR1600 or even the more feature-rich AVR254 was truly a leap of faith. I've heard of the brand name, I like what I've heard about them, yet there were some sacrifices when I picked it out. If worse comes to worse, I still have a highly desirable brand name that will serve me well in the 2nd-hand sell-off area. Let's hope it shines, so I don't have re-wire!

I'll submit another review once I've had time to truly settle it in - till then, I remain luke warm.

Update: 4-days of use:::
Continuing to tinker with it - just ran the EQ Setup to solve a problem with TrueHD not sounding quite right and lo-and-behold it not only fixed the problem, but it sounded pretty good across the board!
post #45 of 353
I just bought a NR1501 Saturday and I'm love. I know some folks complain about some extra features it doesn't have, but for me this was my first attraction to the unit. After using my father-in-law's hand-me-down Yamaha RX-V3000 for a while I decided I wanted something that sounded a bit more 'organic', was simple to operate, had enough HDMI inputs, the newest audio codecs, and didn't have a bunch of sound fields and features that I was never going to use anyway. This is exactly what I was looking for and kudos to Marantz for making it. As Ron Popeil would say.... "Set it and forget it".

I haven't even run the EQ yet as I'm running a bit of hodge-podge speaker set right now but it works. Currently I have an Apple TV, Samsung BD-P1600 (networked with an Airport Express) and a Motorola QIP-7216 (Verizon FIOS HD DVR) feeding it via HDMI. The video is passed via HDMI to a Panny 46' 1080P plasma TV and all controlled with a Harmony One.

So far everything is fantastic and I'll soon be rounding it out with Def Tech ProMonitor 1000's for the front mains, 800's for the sides (just 5.1 for now). I already have a ProCenter 1000 resting on top of the TV's stand and I'm using a hand-me-down CLR 2300 purely as a sub (connetected to sub out on the AVR). I know the last bit may seem a bit odd but the layout works with my TV resting on the fireplace hearth (like a ledge) in my living room with all the equipment underneath it. The 2300 is placed too low for center channel usage but does make for a compact, powered sub below the ledge and centered with the TV (and was free).

I've spent part of the day listening to my music via Apple TV, watched a bit of the Seahawks/Cardinals game, and closed it out with Transformers 2 BD that I borrowed to test the whole thing out. No artificial sound fields or tone controls were used. Even with my current mixed bag of speakers I was grinning ear to ear all day though I did get a few "turn it down the kids are sleeping" from my wife during the late night movie.

p.s. This is my first post here though definitely not my first visit.
post #46 of 353
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Originally Posted by gas_pig70 View Post

Currently I have a ... Samsung BD-P1600 (networked with an Airport Express) ... The video is passed via HDMI to a Panny 46' 1080P plasma TV and all controlled with a Harmony One.

sounds sweet. i also have a samsung bd-p1600 that i'm planning on sending through the nr1501 via hdmi. have you noticed any odd behavior with this combo??

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Originally Posted by gas_pig70 View Post

So far everything is fantastic and I'll soon be rounding it out with Def Tech ProMonitor 1000's for the front mains, 800's for the sides (just 5.1 for now). I already have a ProCenter 1000 resting on top of the TV's stand and I'm using a hand-me-down CLR 2300 purely as a sub (connetected to sub out on the AVR).

with all of this speaker experimentation, have you tried running without a center channel? i know that nr1501 doesnt' have a specific "phantom mode" but a tech told me once the system was configured without a center speaker, it would automatically send the center channel info the the left and right. any experience?

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Originally Posted by gas_pig70 View Post

I've ... watched a bit of the Seahawks/Cardinals game

wooho! go cactus wrens!
post #47 of 353
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Originally Posted by blakelock View Post

sounds sweet. i also have a samsung bd-p1600 that i'm planning on sending through the nr1501 via hdmi. have you noticed any odd behavior with this combo??



with all of this speaker experimentation, have you tried running without a center channel? i know that nr1501 doesnt' have a specific "phantom mode" but a tech told me once the system was configured without a center speaker, it would automatically send the center channel info the the left and right. any experience?



wooho! go cactus wrens!

I've only watched the one disc so far with the NR1501 but I didn't see/hear any obvious issues. I haven't run it w/o a center channel though. I went with the PC1000 center because it can fit on the front portion of the TV's stand with out blocking the screen (or its poorly located IR receiver)
post #48 of 353
this is a question for all the lucky nr1501 owners out there.

i'm planning on running this system with no center channel speaker. i know that when the system is configured like this, the center channel sounds are just sent to the left and right speakers. this is fine. but here's my question. can i adjust the level of the center channel sounds? normally, when you have a dedicated center channel speaker, you can independently modify the center channel level (usually i have to increase it slightly so dialog is loud enough). can i do something similar even though the "center" sounds are being sent to the "left" and "right"?

cheers,
blake
post #49 of 353
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Originally Posted by blakelock View Post

this is a question for all the lucky nr1501 owners out there.

i'm planning on running this system with no center channel speaker. i know that when the system is configured like this, the center channel sounds are just sent to the left and right speakers. this is fine. but here's my question. can i adjust the level of the center channel sounds? normally, when you have a dedicated center channel speaker, you can independently modify the center channel level (usually i have to increase it slightly so dialog is loud enough). can i do something similar even though the "center" sounds are being sent to the "left" and "right"?

cheers,
blake

I'll try and take a look tonight but I doubt it. If you set the center speaker to "none" then the ability to set it's level goes away.
post #50 of 353
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

There is a 1/10 - 1/4 second dropout when the receiver starts to decode a digital audio data stream. The dropout when starting to decode a CD's PCM audio through an RF S/PDIF connection in Stereo Direct mode seems to be significantly shorter than when starting to decode Dolby Digital audio over HDMI in auto surround mode. .../...

Hello,

Same here (french forum) for owners of the 1501 : http://www.homecinema-fr.com/forum/v...053#p173148053
And owners of the SR5003 and SR7002 have reported the same phenomen too: there's a latency (1/2 second) with audio over HDMI.
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post #51 of 353
I ended up going with DefTech PM800s for front and sides. Sounds great on the limited listening time I've had though I'm looking forward to them breaking in and mellowing a bit.

On a side note: After wiring in the new speakers I attempted to go into the menu and adjust the cross-over settings for the new speakers (something I had done prior with the old speakers). For the life of me I could not get into the "Menu" using the unit's remote or my Harmony One. I could only do so using the Menu button on the front panel. Once in I could only navigate using the up/down & left/right arrows on the front panel and not on the remotes. Although I had read the manual the night before I had failed to remember the purpose of the "Amp" button on the remote. Once I pressed that all was OK.
post #52 of 353
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Originally Posted by gas_pig70 View Post

I'll soon be rounding it out with Def Tech ProMonitor 1000's for the front mains, 800's for the sides (just 5.1 for now).

Keep us posted on your setup. I've been using a Bose V30 system for a while now and am preparing to upgrade to the NR1501 and DefTech ProCinema 800 system.

Question: Is the Marantz capable of handling multi-channel PCM?

Thanks, everyone!

Nathan
post #53 of 353
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Originally Posted by nathanjbrown View Post

Keep us posted on your setup. I've been using a Bose V30 system for a while now and am preparing to upgrade to the NR1501 and DefTech ProCinema 800 system.

Question: Is the Marantz capable of handling multi-channel PCM?

Thanks, everyone!

Nathan

Unfortunately I'm not as versed as I should be but according to page 38 of the owners manual... yes to multi-channel PCM. You'll find a nice table detailing the various Surround Modes there.
post #54 of 353
Yesterday afternoon, after auditioning several sets of speakers, I bought a pair of Def.Tech 1000 speakers for surrounds (to go with my existing Klipsh bookshelf fronts and Energy center; I'll probably replace the latter). The DFs timbre match the Klipsh speakers surprisingly well in my environment.

I ran the 1501's auto speaker setup twice, first with Room EQ off and then with it on. With EQ off, it set the center crossover to 80Hz and surrounds to 100Hz. With EQ on, it set the center crossover to 40Hz and surrounds to 60Hz. I'm not at all sure what that difference implies. For the present I'm running with EQ on.

Before going to sleep I listened to the HDCD I'd used for auditioning (Windham Hill's _Sounds of Wood and Steel 3_) in Prologic II Music mode -- or at least I thought that was what it was set to.

When I turned the receiver on this morning, it came up in DUAL MONO mode. I don't remember setting that, can't find any mention of it in the manual, and toggling through all the surround settings, can't find it again.

I'm in the middle of reading Iain Banks' book _Transition_. It's enough to make one wonder....
post #55 of 353
An update on the audio dropout problem:

I received a response from Marantz which said that a firmware fix is available, but the receiver needs to be sent to a service center to be updated. I'll try to get their local AV rep to take care of it for me.

Does anyone know how to view the current firmware version?
It isn't mentioned in the user's manual.
post #56 of 353
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

An update on the audio dropout problem:

I received a response from Marantz which said that a firmware fix is available, but the receiver needs to be sent to a service center to be updated. I'll try to get their local AV rep to take care of it for me.

Does anyone know how to view the current firmware version?
It isn't mentioned in the user's manual.

if someone can get a hold of the file, it probably can be flashed at home
post #57 of 353
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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

if someone can get a hold of the file, it probably can be flashed at home

Yes, but...
a. I'd rather not take the chance of turning the receiver into a brick.
b. I'd rather not invalidate the 3-year warranty. There are other potential problems which could not be fixed by a firmware update. (E.g. cold solder joins, which are unlikely but not impossible.)
c. The NR1501's maintenance connection is proprietary to Marantz. It doesn't have ethernet or USB firmware update capability.
post #58 of 353
hi all,
woohoo! just got mine and it is sweet so far. i ordered it from crutchfield at 10am and the free shipping got it my door that night! they must be around the corner or something. anyway, i'm sending my blu-ray player (samsung BD-P1600), xbox, and vcr (don't laugh ) through the receiver to my TV (samsung 40" 550). front speakers are pair of older paradigm 3SE and rears are pair of klipsch S-1 synergy surrounds with a Hsu sub.

a few notes:
- i was hoping that if the receiver was off, the HDMI would just pass right through the receiver to the TV. this isn't the case. the receiver must be on for the TV to see the BD player.
- my 4.1 speaker system (FL, FR, SL, SR, SW) sounds pretty good but vocals are a bit quiet. might have to pick up a center channel.
- there is no "TV" input on the receiver (audio or video). I watch HDTV from an "over the air" antenna signal (am i the last one?). i'll be sending a digital audio output from the TV to an input on the receiver. since there is no "TV" input, i'll have to relabel one of the others. not a big deal except there is no "TV" source listed on the remote. but i'll be using a harmony pretty soon.

cheers,
blakelock
post #59 of 353
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Originally Posted by blakelock View Post

- i was hoping that if the receiver was off, the HDMI would just pass right through the receiver to the TV. this isn't the case. the receiver must be on for the TV to see the BD player.

Did you enable "HDMI audio out" in the NR1501?
(I dunno if that'll help. I disabled my TV's speakers and listen only to audio decoded by the receiver. My bookshelf speakers sound much better than TV's internal speakers. Enabling "HDMI audio out" disables HDMI audio decoding in the receiver.)

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- my 4.1 speaker system (FL, FR, SL, SR, SW) sounds pretty good but vocals are a bit quiet. might have to pick up a center channel.

Did you either run the receiver's auto speaker setup or manually disable the center channel? It should redirect center channel audio to the L/R fronts in either of those situations. When I was running 3.0 it redirected the surrounds to the front. I didn't try 2.0.
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- there is no "TV" input on the receiver (audio or video). I watch HDTV from an "over the air" antenna signal (am i the last one?). i'll be sending a digital audio output from the TV to an input on the receiver. since there is no "TV" input, i'll have to relabel one of the others. not a big deal except there is no "TV" source listed on the remote. but i'll be using a harmony pretty soon.

Relabeling any of the inputs changes what's shown on the front panel, but that doesn't change the remote (of course) or their labels in the setup menu.
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post #60 of 353
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

Did you enable "HDMI audio out" in the NR1501? Enabling "HDMI audio out" disables HDMI audio decoding in the receiver.)

thanks for the ideas. i don't mind the audio being decoded by the receiver when the receiver is on. i was hoping that if someone wanted to just throw in a dvd to watch without fussing with the receiver, they could do that. but i guess it doesn't work that way.

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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

Did you either run the receiver's auto speaker setup or manually disable the center channel? It should redirect center channel audio to the L/R fronts in either of those situations.

yeah, i ran the auto setup and it sounds decent but the explosions and other sound effects are a bit too loud compared to vocals. this seems to almost always happen with surround systems. what i usually do is run the auto speaker calibration then crank up the center channel ~1dB or so. what i was hoping to do was have the center channel info sent to the front speakers while still being able to individually increase the level of the center channel info. you can't do this though. guess i'll just have to buy another peice of audio equip (a center channel)
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