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post #4921 of 10012
The photos I posted were of the showroom.

Mine is up and running! Finished the build a few hours ago. Long story....just don't feel like typing right now.
post #4922 of 10012
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Originally Posted by tony123 View Post

The photos I posted were of the showroom.

Mine is up and running! Finished the build a few hours ago. Long story....just don't feel like typing right now.

not too impressed?
post #4923 of 10012
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Originally Posted by Gertjan View Post

Man, i've been gone for a while and missed out on all this!

Does Danley have a showroom of sorts? I'm local to Atlanta, so i'd be interested in hearing some of their stuff in person sometime.


You're the fella with the Mackie's right? If so, not being local to Atlanta, I'd be interested in your impressions if you go to Danley's showroom.
post #4924 of 10012
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Originally Posted by kutlow View Post

not too impressed?

bet he's tired from all the heavy lifting.
post #4925 of 10012
Thread Starter 
I have a question for all the pro sound guys out there. We are having a sweet 16 party at my place tomorrow for my step daughter. She wants it to sound like a dance club in my game room. After doing some sound tests (fun) I am wondering how much boost in level the subwoofer usually gets in a dance club. Right now I have it kicked up to about +10 db from what my normal level is for movies. It seems like that's about right but wondering if there's a more normal level that most clubs use. Oh and btw, kicked up sound like this is fun, just isn't my type of music. I like that clothes flapping feeling. Hope my neighbors won't care too much.
post #4926 of 10012
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Originally Posted by tony123 View Post

The photos I posted were of the showroom.

I did not read all 165 pages of this thread, sorry Could you tell me around which date you posted the pics so i can find the post?

ETA: Found it! Dang, i wish i had found this thread sooner, i might have been able to join you guys for the visit Thanks for the write-up!

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Mine is up and running! Finished the build a few hours ago. Long story....just don't feel like typing right now.

Congrats

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Originally Posted by mobius View Post

You're the fella with the Mackie's right? If so, not being local to Atlanta, I'd be interested in your impressions if you go to Danley's showroom.

Not sure about "the" fella But yes, i do have Mackies for my front stage. As for my impressions - i'd be happy to try to convey them, just don't read too much into them, since i do not consider myself much of an expert
post #4927 of 10012
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Originally Posted by kutlow View Post

not too impressed?

Oh, he's impressed alright---I can attest to that! It's just that he has several irons in the fire at the moment. He'll be reporting as soon as he gets time.

For my part, I was very impressed with the DTS-10! It produced deep and powerful bass that interfaced extremely well with Tony's front three speakers (Klipsch). I thought the audio dynamics of his system, already very good, were brought to an amazing new level---on music as well as film soundtracks.

We didn't get to play with it as long as we had hoped today (other matters intervened). However, I can say already that this subwoofer, being sold as a kit for under one grand, has to be a major bargain for the performance it can deliver in a home theater. My overall impression was that the DTS-10 can make even a good audio system sound far more robust and dynamic than ever before.

I am strongly considering the purchase of a DTS-10 or another Danley sub for my HT room. From my perspective, there were a few stressful moments in assembling the kit, but perseverence won the day and we worked through the difficulties encountered. (Tony is much more experienced at building, so I'll defer to his description of the relatively few problems we had, if he deems it worth mentioning.) Suffice to say that after finishing the assembly and listening to the DTS-10 perform, the whole process left us both with smiles on our mugs.
post #4928 of 10012
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Originally Posted by brandonnash View Post

I have a question for all the pro sound guys out there. We are having a sweet 16 party at my place tomorrow for my step daughter. She wants it to sound like a dance club in my game room. After doing some sound tests (fun) I am wondering how much boost in level the subwoofer usually gets in a dance club. Right now I have it kicked up to about +10 db from what my normal level is for movies. It seems like that's about right but wondering if there's a more normal level that most clubs use. Oh and btw, kicked up sound like this is fun, just isn't my type of music. I like that clothes flapping feeling. Hope my neighbors won't care too much.

Brandon, I know an innocent young pole dancer at a club about 60 miles from town. We could visit her at work and take measurements. I mean with an SPL meter and not the dancer's anatomy.
post #4929 of 10012
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Originally Posted by HTMAN21 View Post

Brandon, I know an innocent young pole dancer at a club about 60 miles from town. We could visit her at work and take measurements. I mean with an SPL meter and not the dancer's anatomy.

You drive and I'll pick up the beer. I think it'll fly since this is an audio experiment.
post #4930 of 10012
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Originally Posted by HTMAN21 View Post

Brandon, I know an innocent young pole dancer at a club about 60 miles from town. We could visit her at work and take measurements. I mean with an SPL meter and not the dancer's anatomy.

The other measurements would be more fun, until the wife found out. What did you replace the Klipsch with?
post #4931 of 10012
It's done !

post #4932 of 10012
Words really don't do justice to the experience. Thank You Tom Danley.

post #4933 of 10012
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Originally Posted by Gertjan View Post

Man, i've been gone for a while and missed out on all this!

Does Danley have a showroom of sorts? I'm local to Atlanta, so i'd be interested in hearing some of their stuff in person sometime.

Just be sure and call and make an appointment before you come.

You are welcome to bring any loudspeaker you want to compare it side by side. That is usually quite eye opening.
post #4934 of 10012
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Originally Posted by Wardsweb View Post

Words really don't do justice to the experience. Thank You Tom Danley.


That is awesome.
post #4935 of 10012
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Originally Posted by HTMAN21 View Post

Brandon, I know an innocent young pole dancer at a club about 60 miles from town. We could visit her at work and take measurements. I mean with an SPL meter and not the dancer's anatomy.

Dance clubs are usually quite a bit louder than strip clubs. I think it is the later that she is interested in.

Just be careful not to permanently damage your daughters or others hearing.

Yes it is a real problem! It may be "fun", but they will pay the price later.

If you are using a home system for that type of thing-pay close attention to how hot your amps run. If they are not pro type units-they are not made for that sort of thing and you could damage them if you are not careful.
post #4936 of 10012
Thread Starter 
Got a pro amp for the sub so I am covered there. I just got some klipsch la scalas and may try using them as the mains to keep less work on my receiver. My guess is I may be pushing 3 or 4 watts max to get to the levels they will want. Not going to push it too hard though. My years of car audio were much louder than this what I will have going on. Going to be up late playing around with it.
post #4937 of 10012
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Originally Posted by brandonnash View Post

Got a pro amp for the sub so I am covered there. I just got some klipsch la scalas and may try using them as the mains to keep less work on my receiver. My guess is I may be pushing 3 or 4 watts max to get to the levels they will want. Not going to push it too hard though. My years of car audio were much louder than this what I will have going on. Going to be up late playing around with it.

When did you get the La Scalas and what did you do with the Paradigm Monitor 9's?
post #4938 of 10012
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by mjg100 View Post

When did you get the La Scalas and what did you do with the Paradigm Monitor 9's?

Got them last week. They are huge so I am having problems working them into my room the way it is. Thinking about rotating my room 90 degrees to make more room for them. Still have the 9's. Going to try both to see which integrates better. La scala's may end up in a dedicated 2 channel system.
post #4939 of 10012
Okay, finally got a minute around here....geez, doesn't the rest of the world know to leave a guy alone to his toys!

The build was fairly easy up until the point that we had to put the final side on. I anticipated from the beginning that it might cause some trouble and it did. There's a half dozen or more dados that all have to line up properly, and it just wasn't happening. So with PL Premium all over the place, Tom and I wrestled with this one piece for nearly an hour. Finally, out of frustration I stood up on the box and it snapped down into place. This cabinet is about the strongest wooden structure I've seen. Built like a tank. Construction was, overall, a rewarding experience.

Finished the cabinet around noon today and then took out the Behringer EP4000. Figured out how to configure it to bridged mono and turned everything on. I could immediately tell that the "tone" of the test tones was different than it had been with my old Velodyne (which by the way, that trusty sub gave me 15 years of reliable thumping ). This tone continued to be evident in all the following demos.

The first two demos were "This is It" and "Star Trek" (the latest one). It took all of 10 seconds to realize that the mid base was much improved. Even in the opening dialog scenes, voices were fuller. I had never taken measurements in my room, but I'm guessing there was a frequency gap between the Velo and the KL650's. Instantly, it was more seamless. My visit to Danley got me more excited about the SH50's, and having the DTS-10 in my room was initially showing itself most in my mains...not the sub at all. Maybe this is the ultimate compliment in that the sub was playing a supporting role better than the old sub? I think so.

In the mid base range, It was really thumping! In your chest thumping. While playing "Star Trek" (which we also demo'd in Mike's personal theater) Tom and I just looked at each other grinning! It really gave the impression of an improved system all across the board....from dynamics, to frequency balance and range. I was very proud of the direction I'm heading acoustically!

Later that evening I got a chance to play a bit more. I used "Lord of the Rings" and did the "Moria" chapter. Does anyone know what frequencies that lowest thump is after the armor is knocked down the well? It was lower than anything I'd heard in the room before. Sort of "grab hold of all the air in the room" low.

Few comments on improvements that I need to work on:

My mid base is much harder hitting than the lowest stuff. Maybe an eq is in order?
The room has a bit more of a "tub" tone. You can see on my construction thread that it's an unfinished room. Maybe the higher SPL's are making it more obvious that I need the carpet and more linacoustic (base traps) to tame things?

Another observation (and I commented on it at the Danley showroom as well) is that the system as a whole is more impactful even at the lower SPL's. It's changed my mental calibration of what "loud" is. Averages of around 90db sound much louder now than the same measurements did prior to the Danley. I suppose it's the capability of more dynamic peaks that causes this?

In contradiction to the above comment, I can listen with the processor volume up higher than before. Volume settings at +5db sound effortless.

Giving you my "raw" thoughts....any comments are welcomed.
post #4940 of 10012
Maybe some of you bass enthusiasts can help me with a placement question.

If you want to place the DTS-10 in or near a corner, does it matter that one choice for corner placement is a meeting of two outside walls, while the other corner is formed by an exterior wall meeting an interior wall of the theater that also acts as the border between the HT and an adjacent room?

In other words, is there any reason to expect better sub response by placing it near one of the corners described as opposed to the other?

I'm not even sure there is an issue here at all, but before moving this 290 pounder, it would be nice to find out if others have had such issues---the fewer moves the better. So,any experience or thoughts you can bring to bear on the question would be appreciated.
post #4941 of 10012
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Originally Posted by Wardsweb View Post

Words really don't do justice to the experience. Thank You Tom Danley.


Great looking sub and room.

Just thought I'd let you know that ML recommends keeping the area around the panel on the center channel clear since it's dipole. By placing the TV on the wall you'll likely improve the sound from the center.
post #4942 of 10012
What mains are those?

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Originally Posted by Wardsweb View Post

Words really don't do justice to the experience. Thank You Tom Danley.

post #4943 of 10012
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Originally Posted by mjg100 View Post

The other measurements would be more fun, until the wife found out. What did you replace the Klipsch with?

Mike, I already had LSA's for about a year. I set up the Klipsch the night before the buyer drove up from Atlanta so he could get a demo when he arrived. I almost called and cancelled the sale. Even my wife who seldom comments hated to see them go.
I am really wanting to hear your JTR's.
post #4944 of 10012
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Originally Posted by brandonnash View Post

Got them last week. They are huge so I am having problems working them into my room the way it is. Thinking about rotating my room 90 degrees to make more room for them. Still have the 9's. Going to try both to see which integrates better. La scala's may end up in a dedicated 2 channel system.

It might be easier to rotate the furnishings than the room.
post #4945 of 10012
"The build was fairly easy up until the point that we had to put the final side on."

Same here.

In anticipation of that, I had used a 1/8" roundover bit on all of the edges of the internal 15" wide panels that would be in the dados, but hadn't thought of the outer narrow panels as belonging to the same "family".

I'd recommend the roundovers as SOP.

Besides making it easier, even if you can get it together by forcing it, there's a chance that doing so will break off splinters that will get jammed in the gap.
post #4946 of 10012
i recently put together 2 kits and one final panel came together with no issue at all and on the other sub I assembled a few days later that last panel was a b*tch to say the least. Lots of stomping and hitting with a rubber mallet before it finally went in place. I was starting to freak a little that the PL glue was gonna start hardening it took me so long
post #4947 of 10012
[quote=tony123;18259943]
Few comments on improvements that I need to work on:

My mid base is much harder hitting than the lowest stuff. Maybe an eq is in order?
The room has a bit more of a "tub" tone. You can see on my construction thread that it's an unfinished room. Maybe the higher SPL's are making it more obvious that I need the carpet and more linacoustic (base traps) to tame things?


Take a look at the Antimode 8033. I just got it and it works great with my DTS. It's so easy a caveman can do it. Check it out.....http://www.google.com/url?q=http://w...bUBHE2JYU2lVnA
post #4948 of 10012
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Originally Posted by bonedoc2be View Post

i recently put together 2 kits and one final panel came together with no issue at all and on the other sub I assembled a few days later that last panel was a b*tch to say the least. Lots of stomping and hitting with a rubber mallet before it finally went in place. I was starting to freak a little that the PL glue was gonna start hardening it took me so long

had the exact same issue hah, just glad thats all over with now.
post #4949 of 10012
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Originally Posted by Tom Hilton View Post

Maybe some of you bass enthusiasts can help me with a placement question.

If you want to place the DTS-10 in or near a corner, does it matter that one choice for corner placement is a meeting of two outside walls, while the other corner is formed by an exterior wall meeting an interior wall of the theater that also acts as the border between the HT and an adjacent room?

In other words, is there any reason to expect better sub response by placing it near one of the corners described as opposed to the other?

I'm not even sure there is an issue here at all, but before moving this 290 pounder, it would be nice to find out if others have had such issues---the fewer moves the better. So,any experience or thoughts you can bring to bear on the question would be appreciated.

Hi Tom:

From my experience helping n84china build and setup his DTS-10, there will be some differences between those two corners with regard to locating the DTS-10.

If there are no conflicting factors (WAF etc) then I would opt for the corner where the two outside walls converge. Those two walls together are more massive, rigid and less prone to diaphragmatic absorption of the sound energy when it is at its most intense nearfield level than the other corner. Not that SPL will ever be a problem for the DTS-10 in most HT-sized rooms, but preserving as much as possible of the initial SPL allows the most headroom for EQ later.

We ended up selecting the other option (for other reasons), the corner where one outside and one inside wall converge and though the SPL may be less due to the diaphragmatic absorption of the inside wall, the real downside was the extra rattling induced as that interior wall resonated in greater sympathy with the nearfield SPL of the sub. Of course, the sonic barrage of the DTS-10 IS going to rattle the house in any case, but for whatever reason, having the interior wall couple to the nearfield SPL of the sub made the house rattle more.

Also, I think that it is worth a try, again assuming that there are no decor constraints, to experiment with mouth facing wall placement, both with mouth down at floor and mouth at cabinet top. This orientation, in n84china's room, made the initial frequency response smoother (less peaky/nully) and blend better with his mains, even before EQ.

Happy experimenting! (and be sure to bend those knees! )

Threads on the install for easy reference:
Wall facing configuration - Higher resolution measurements

DTS-10 Install and Measurements
post #4950 of 10012
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Originally Posted by bonedoc2be View Post

i recently put together 2 kits and one final panel came together with no issue at all and on the other sub I assembled a few days later that last panel was a b*tch to say the least. Lots of stomping and hitting with a rubber mallet before it finally went in place. I was starting to freak a little that the PL glue was gonna start hardening it took me so long

Same here almost, my first kit required a dremmel to get G to meet up with K. The second kit had no issues at all until the last panel that took some work.
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