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post #9481 of 10012
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The drivers are 4 ohm but the impedance that's summed from the combo of parallel wiring and the enclosure actually comes out to a nominal 4 ohms. There are some dips lower than that but nothing my ep2500 couldn't handle. I have mine parallel and bridged to the ep which yields nearly 2000 watts as shown by the amp measurements thread.
post #9482 of 10012
This is a bit off topic but I thought I'd note that I was recently in Atlanta and I had time to take in a Braves game at Turner field. It was a very small crowd becuase it poured for an hour before the first pitch. But the point is that Danley Sound Labs revampted the system there not too long ago (http://www.danleysoundlabs.com/portfolio/arenas-gyms-stadiums/atlanta-braves-turner-field/).

I had a chance to walk around the stadium and check out the products hanging from the rafters. While it certainly wasn't an all-out showcase of the system's and speakers' capabilities, I was really impressed by the clarity and detail of the sound. Dialog intelligibility was impressive, but the best part was the fact that the system just sounded relaxed and comfortable whether it was spoken word, Guns N' Roses, or Justin Timberlake/Rihanna? (or some other hip-hop artist whose name I don't know). I'm no expert, but I was plenty impressed! Well done Tom and team!

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post #9483 of 10012
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Originally Posted by AirBenji View Post

This is a bit off topic but I thought I'd note that I was recently in Atlanta and I had time to take in a Braves game at Turner field. It was a very small crowd becuase it poured for an hour before the first pitch. But the point is that Danley Sound Labs revampted the system there not too long ago (http://www.danleysoundlabs.com/portfolio/arenas-gyms-stadiums/atlanta-braves-turner-field/).
I had a chance to walk around the stadium and check out the products hanging from the rafters. While it certainly wasn't an all-out showcase of the system's and speakers' capabilities, I was really impressed by the clarity and detail of the sound. Dialog intelligibility was impressive, but the best part was the fact that the system just sounded relaxed and comfortable whether it was spoken word, Guns N' Roses, or Justin Timberlake/Rihanna? (or some other hip-hop artist whose name I don't know). I'm no expert, but I was plenty impressed! Well done Tom and team!
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Thanks.

The job was a little bit "handycapped by the fact that all the loudspeakers had to fit exisitng brackets and wiring. THere was NO way they were going to change that.

There are some very custom boxes (we dubbed them the "birdhouses") because they look like birdhouses-they wouldn't let me put a pirch on the front frown.gif. They were custom designed for the specific layout of the areas where they are located. They are the same loudness directly below them (about 20') as they are well over 100' away.

One of the main things they wanted was as little sound as possible on the playing field.

By using large horns-this is accomplished.

One of the most pleasing things I notied about the system during alignment was when you would play music and then stop it, you did not hear the usual echo as in most stadiums. This is because the sound if focused ont he seats below the loudspeakers and tno spraying sound to the opposite side.

There are no subs in the stadium-the customer insisted that no subs be used-since the previous system was lacking clarity-and they were blaming it on the bass. It was not the bass-but rather the midbass "mud" that had builtup due to lack of pattern control that was causing the problem.

I think there are 433 loudspeakers covering the main seating area. SH25's-SH46's, custom SH96's and the birdhouses.
post #9484 of 10012
How fortunate we are on these forums to have guys like Ivan hanging around and providing insight. smile.gif Even if sometimes I don't understand how to follow it. smile.gif Thanks for keeping up with us here Ivan! Wish we had met when I visited. Tony
post #9485 of 10012
Due to overwhelming demand-the DTS10 KIT is on sale again.

I don't know for how long-but you can contact The Danley office at 770-535-0204 for more information-regarding price and duration of sale.
post #9486 of 10012
Thread Starter 
Let's see if we can push this thread over 10k!
post #9487 of 10012
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Let's hope those sitting on the sidelines waiting for this actually see it.
post #9488 of 10012
I think I'm ready for #2. smile.gif
post #9489 of 10012
2 is well umm I don't know. . . something more ultimate.
post #9490 of 10012
You have to be freaking kidding me !!! Grrrrr my new house won't be built for another 11 months, and you come out with the kits again now !! grrrr smile.gif
post #9491 of 10012
You might be able to work out a deal of purchase now and ship later timeline either with DSL or the OEM QMS.
post #9492 of 10012
Hot Darn! Just in time for my birthday. I'll need to measure again and make sure it will fit behind my screen wall then pull the trigger!
post #9493 of 10012
So updates!

Finally after around 9 months of just having the sub in storage have my basement space prepared. I ended up grabbing a clean box pro(I haven't modded it yet, does the pro need the same cap swap?)....and I'm powering the DTS-10 with a single Crown XTI 1000, crossed over at around 80hz to my mains.....At first I was horrified by the sound and kinda unimpressed by the output, then I figured out why, with the port firing into my shoddy dry wall, it was flexing it like a wet noodle and vibrating hard against the duct work.

Well with a little muscle work I rotated the entire room so now the Danley is firing into a cinderblock basement wall near the corner. eek.gif the bass output is so strong I'm seriously worried about stuff in the first floor of my house falling over. The only issue is during LOUD playback I think the 1400watts that xti-1000 has might not be enough head room as the amp is getting close to clipping and the fan is running pretty much the entire time. I'm thinking about grabbing my spare xti-1000 from storage and running both amps with it, I figure 2800 watts would offer more then enough spare power to keep them running cool even when I get crazy with the volume knob.

I'm currently running the EQ settings from this thread and a 24db Linkwitz X-over at 80hz in the crowns DSP and I have to say while there is tweaking to be done I like the sound and the power. I also need to look into modding the cleanbox if that's sill an issue on the Pro. Finally any tips on Audyssey XT set up for this thing, I have a Onkyo PR-SC886 with just the basic XT setup, I'm not sure there is much I can really do with it. Also glad to see the kits are for sale again if I had the room/$/need for another I would be all over it...these things are monsters.
post #9494 of 10012
cleanbox pro is going to rolloff right near 20hz, maybe a little lower. Look for a Henry matchbox HD, samson s-convert, ati mm1100, etc. Or do the cap replacement biggrin.gif
post #9495 of 10012
Is the cap replacement the same on the Clean box pro? I 've been searching but all the phoot I find are of the pcb for the first clean box..
post #9496 of 10012
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Originally Posted by Mrtie View Post

So updates! I'm powering the DTS-10 with a single Crown XTI 1000, .

Part of your issue is just the amp period:

It hardly puts out any power below 30hz:

See here:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/855865/measuring-amplifiers/690#post_13869426

Probably in your best interest to switch amps. The XTi1000 is a nice amp for driving concert speakers. Doesn't do very well for home theater bass :-(
post #9497 of 10012
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Originally Posted by dsl1 View Post

Part of your issue is just the amp period:
It hardly puts out any power below 30hz:
See here:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/855865/measuring-amplifiers/690#post_13869426
Probably in your best interest to switch amps. The XTi1000 is a nice amp for driving concert speakers. Doesn't do very well for home theater bass :-(


I have the Crest 9200. How does that amp do below 30hz?
post #9498 of 10012
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Originally Posted by kutlow View Post

I have the Crest 9200. How does that amp do below 30hz?

The person who did the testing of amps posted this thread here:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/855865/measuring-amplifiers

I don't see the Crest 9200 on his list but I'm assuming it does just fine under 20hz.
post #9499 of 10012
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Originally Posted by dsl1 View Post


Probably in your best interest to switch amps. The XTi1000 is a nice amp for driving concert speakers. Doesn't do very well for home theater bass :-(
The intended XTI market is not "concert" speakers (or their users). More like the local VFW or small pub type users. Not for pro usage-for a lot of reasons.
post #9500 of 10012
I personally dont like the XTi amps. They tend to have a whine to them that I noticed on my SLA's. That being said they sounded fine on my bass guitar cabinets. I sold them and have a Crest Pro 7200. They have performed just fine for all bass duties. Bass guitar or subwoofer. They roll of at 10hz like most amps but thats fine by me.
post #9501 of 10012
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Originally Posted by Ivan Beaver View Post

Due to overwhelming demand-the DTS10 KIT is on sale again.
I don't know for how long-but you can contact The Danley office at 770-535-0204 for more information-regarding price and duration of sale.

I am only a noob and have only had my current sub about a month tongue.gif but I feel that I *must* purchase one of these before the opportunity is lost, although my bank account thinks otherwise!!

Would it be fair to assume that a reasonable budget for such a build would be approximately as follows?

DTS-10 Kit $1000
Shipping to UK $200+ (?)
Amp $400 (??)

(Plus assorted DIY items, naturally.)


I have no facilities to modify the sound output (EQing etc?) so would it be crazy just to buy it and run it as-is?


I think my (lack of) budget is going to hinder any progress on this pipe-dream but I can only hope... smile.gif


Thanks in advance for any help!!
post #9502 of 10012
I wasn't aware that the kit is still being offered?
post #9503 of 10012
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Originally Posted by MemX View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ivan Beaver View Post

Due to overwhelming demand-the DTS10 KIT is on sale again.
I don't know for how long-but you can contact The Danley office at 770-535-0204 for more information-regarding price and duration of sale.

I am only a noob and have only had my current sub about a month tongue.gif but I feel that I *must* purchase one of these before the opportunity is lost, although my bank account thinks otherwise!!

Would it be fair to assume that a reasonable budget for such a build would be approximately as follows?

DTS-10 Kit $1000
Shipping to UK $200+ (?)
Amp $400 (??)

(Plus assorted DIY items, naturally.)


I have no facilities to modify the sound output (EQing etc?) so would it be crazy just to buy it and run it as-is?


I think my (lack of) budget is going to hinder any progress on this pipe-dream but I can only hope... smile.gif


Thanks in advance for any help!!

I would probably add some $$$ on the shipping to UK but, depending on your amp needs, you could possibly shave the difference off there. Look for used pro amps or new amps from behringer.
post #9504 of 10012
Ah ya, I did not see it last time. It is back on the website.

I can only imagine what shipping overseas would be. I hope is it not too unreasonable.
post #9505 of 10012
You can save a lot on shipping by using a freight broker (google) and shipping terminal-to-terminal
post #9506 of 10012
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Originally Posted by noah katz View Post

You can save a lot on shipping by using a freight broker (google) and shipping terminal-to-terminal

This is what I did, FOB Danley to a freight fowarder in Washington state then they brough it to Canada in bond for me to clear with Canadian Customs...
post #9507 of 10012
Thank you all for your help smile.gif

I will look into the Freight Broker thing, it's not something I'd thought of!


My main worry is the potential for a 54Hz spike, going from what I've read on here, as I don't have any way to iron that out - long term I would like to build a monster system but I need to sort out a payrise before I can go buying microphones, software, miniDSPs and other kit... Would it be liveable with just a plug and play set up? smile.gif
post #9508 of 10012
Thread Starter 
You don't need all that. Just get a behringer feedback destroyer. Has a parametric eq. New they are $100 but used can be much cheaper. I found mine on Craigslist for $30.
post #9509 of 10012
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Originally Posted by MemX View Post

My main worry is the potential for a 54Hz spike, going from what I've read on here, as I don't have any way to iron that out

My listening room constraints dictated that I had to corner-load my DTS-10 in the "tall" orientation. When I positioned the mouth to exit at the floor and into the corner I found it yielded a near-field response with a slightly lowered spike frequency (≈48Hz) but the peak itself dropped so low in amplitude that it became negligible. (Pulling the speaker out of the corner would raise the spike frequency and its amplitude again)

Now I still had get an EQ to correct the frequency response at the listening position though, and I strongly recommend you get one too! It would be an incredible stroke of luck to have a sub sound perfect at the listening position when placed inside an untreated room without an EQ.

I couldn't find a cheap BFD at the time, but I did find a used Elemental Designs EQ.2 from eBay for $50 and it worked quite well. So there are good deals out there if you're willing to buy used.
(Mind you, I later upgraded to a miniDSP for the 12Hz high pass filter capability after accidentally bottoming out the drivers during a space shuttle launch clip.rolleyes.gif)

Get this sub, take your time assembling it, finish it to your liking, experiment with positioning, get an EQ to even-out the response, and then enjoy the effortless deep bass it can provide. (just remove all the loose nick-knacks around the house first - you'll find out about that)
post #9510 of 10012
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Originally Posted by MemX View Post

Thank you all for your help smile.gif
I will look into the Freight Broker thing, it's not something I'd thought of!
My main worry is the potential for a 54Hz spike, going from what I've read on here, as I don't have any way to iron that out - long term I would like to build a monster system but I need to sort out a payrise before I can go buying microphones, software, miniDSPs and other kit... Would it be liveable with just a plug and play set up? smile.gif

Seems the old Behringer DSP1124P is only found used these days, and as Brandon suggested I'd try that route first. PE suggests the Behringer FBQ2496 as a replacement but i've not read up on it. There's threads on HTS equalization devices for other ideas.

While you can get away without using EQ, you will be cutting potential short. The cabinet itself as you've probably read needs to knock the spikes down due to design. When trying to play loud you'll hear bottoming during the peak freqs. I'd say keep a leash on it till you can put EQ in the chain, cause that's how we had our first one setup for about 6mo. Once EQ is applied output seems to be the moon, especially with two cabinets and enough kw.


Once again with the recommended filters you can see the problem areas.
PEQ minus 4.6dB, @ 29Hz, Q=5 BW=0.2881 BFD=17.3
PEQ minus 8.4dB @ 55Hz, Q=8.9 BW=0.162 BFD=9.7
PEQ minus 7.5dB @ 84Hz, Q=2.8 BW=0.5125 BFD=30.8
PEQ minus 14.4dB @ 154Hz, Q=1.1 BW=1.2701 BFD=76.2
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