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post #9511 of 10012
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Originally Posted by brandonnash View Post

You don't need all that. Just get a behringer feedback destroyer. Has a parametric eq. New they are $100 but used can be much cheaper. I found mine on Craigslist for $30.
eBay Alerts now updated! wink.gif

I would check Craigslist but I'm at work and apparently the site is blocked because it comes under the 'pornography' category rolleyes.gif

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Originally Posted by stereo2.0 View Post

My listening room constraints dictated that I had to corner-load my DTS-10 in the "tall" orientation. When I positioned the mouth to exit at the floor and into the corner I found it yielded a near-field response with a slightly lowered spike frequency (≈48Hz) but the peak itself dropped so low in amplitude that it became negligible. (Pulling the speaker out of the corner would raise the spike frequency and its amplitude again)
I think I need to do a room plan to illustrate my placement issues / restrictions / opportunities! I have a full height (8') alcove that is c. 45" wide by 36" inches deep right behind my (CRT) TV that would be ideal for a DTS-10 (or even a massive sealed/ported 18" sub tongue.gif ) as I hope the alcove will provide some great corner-loading, but I need to lug the very heavy equipment around the carpeted floor to try it, and I've not had the energy to do it! I'm also a bit worried about the magnetic fields affecting the tube - my current PB12-Plus/2 is sitting only a couple of feet from its front corner and the screen picture appears 'different', a bit darker, in that corner, and 'wobbly' when the sub is under a lot of power...

It's good to know that it may be possible to reduce the 54Hz spike with simple placement, though smile.gif

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Originally Posted by stereo2.0 View Post

(Mind you, I later upgraded to a miniDSP for the 12Hz high pass filter capability after accidentally bottoming out the drivers during a space shuttle launch clip.rolleyes.gif)
Am I right in thinking that most amplifiers have a roll-off under 10Hz anyway, which we can use to our advantage?

I should also point out that I'm in a first floor flat so wouldn't be using it at reference level that often wink.gifbiggrin.gif

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Originally Posted by autox320 View Post

Once again with the recommended filters you can see the problem areas.
PEQ minus 4.6dB, @ 29Hz, Q=5 BW=0.2881 BFD=17.3
PEQ minus 8.4dB @ 55Hz, Q=8.9 BW=0.162 BFD=9.7
PEQ minus 7.5dB @ 84Hz, Q=2.8 BW=0.5125 BFD=30.8
PEQ minus 14.4dB @ 154Hz, Q=1.1 BW=1.2701 BFD=76.2
I need to do some more reading before I can understand that properly!!
post #9512 of 10012
Thread Starter 
The good thing about the DTS-10 other than the fantastic sound and output is that you can orient it just about any way you want. The drivers, if they are too close to your tv, you can flip the box and have them a good 4 feet away from the CRT (if that's the tv you still have). I had mine sitting behind a CRT RPTV for about a year before I got a LCD. You should be fine with it.

As far as the rolloff, I don't have a HPF on mine. I am just aware of the movies I am playing. I won't play War of the Worlds at 120 db. I will however play movies like Top Gun at ~130 dB when someone wants a show. smile.gif
post #9513 of 10012
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Originally Posted by MemX View Post

I need to do some more reading before I can understand that properly!!

I like these quick guides. Can find plenty of other info at HomeTheaterShack. Appears the FBQ2496 available at PE is limited on filter "banks" or "groups". It can only do 2 groups (all that's really needed anyway) where as the old BFD 1124P could do 10 filter groups which was nice for quick changing between testing filters grouped together.

The FBQ2496 has more available filters within it's two channels though at 20 you can set vs 12 in the older BFD. Most of the time this is irrelevant since you should shoot for the least amount of filtering possible. Most can tailor the curve with just a few filters. Wayne at HTS explains about the approach less is more.

BFD 1124P guide

FBQ 2496 guide

And for me the usually hard to understand DEQ 2496 settings
DEQ 2496
Edited by autox320 - 11/15/12 at 8:31pm
post #9514 of 10012
As others have said, I wouldn't bother with this cabinet if you aren't going to EQ. I ran mine that way for 6 months and you only get half the potential without it. Good news is it can be as cheap as mentioned! $30 for my Behringer too!
post #9515 of 10012
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Originally Posted by brandonnash View Post

The good thing about the DTS-10 other than the fantastic sound and output is that you can orient it just about any way you want. The drivers, if they are too close to your tv, you can flip the box and have them a good 4 feet away from the CRT (if that's the tv you still have). I had mine sitting behind a CRT RPTV for about a year before I got a LCD. You should be fine with it.
That is a good point smile.gif
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As far as the rolloff, I don't have a HPF on mine. I am just aware of the movies I am playing. I won't play War of the Worlds at 120 db. I will however play movies like Top Gun at ~130 dB when someone wants a show. smile.gif
I think I would need a HPF on mine - even in 16Hz tune I want to run my current SVS as low and loud as I can get it! biggrin.gif My initial concern was that the drop off between 20Hz and 10Hz would make 10Hz seem quiet, but I guess that 90dB (or whatever it reaches) would still be pretty loud... lol I'd love it if the DTS-10 was tuned even lower so we could see <10Hz at a crazy level but I appreciate that there are trade-offs with everything, and this does look to be an unbeatable package for the money smile.gif

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Originally Posted by autox320 View Post

I like these quick guides. Can find plenty of other info at HomeTheaterShack. Appears the FBQ2496 available at PE is limited on filter "banks" or "groups". It can only do 2 groups (all that's really needed anyway) where as the old BFD 1124P could do 10 filter groups which was nice for quick changing between testing filters grouped together.
The FBQ2496 has more available filters within it's two channels though at 20 you can set vs 12 in the older BFD. Most of the time this is irrelevant since you should shoot for the least amount of filtering possible. Most can tailor the curve with just a few filters. Wayne at HTS explains about the approach less is more.
BFD 1124P guide
FBQ 2496 guide
And for me the usually hard to understand DEQ 2496 settings
DEQ 2496
Thank you very much cool.gif I will have a read over the weekend!

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Originally Posted by tony123 View Post

As others have said, I wouldn't bother with this cabinet if you aren't going to EQ. I ran mine that way for 6 months and you only get half the potential without it. Good news is it can be as cheap as mentioned! $30 for my Behringer too!
For that price, it would seem silly not to!


You should all stop it - I can't afford this really and don't need any encouragement... tongue.gif
post #9516 of 10012
Ok I been away for awhile remoldling my summer home. Im going to try and address my subs again. I have 2 Danley sh50 for LF RF A SH69 for center and 4 sh100's for side and rear surrounds. I just dont feel like im getting enough punch in the 20- 30 hz range. I feel lots of low level shaking but not enough actual noise. Do you guys with the mini dsp boost the 16-30 hz range after you apply the danley recommended settings?
post #9517 of 10012
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by kutlow View Post

Ok I been away for awhile remoldling my summer home. Im going to try and address my subs again. I have 2 Danley sh50 for LF RF A SH69 for center and 4 sh100's for side and rear surrounds. I just dont feel like im getting enough punch in the 20- 30 hz range. I feel lots of low level shaking but not enough actual noise. Do you guys with the mini dsp boost the 16-30 hz range after you apply the danley recommended settings?

I think you're still chasing the high SPL car audio feeling. You won't achieve that without having structure damage to your house. You won't get punch in the 20-30 range. That is the low shaking range. Your punch will come higher in the frequency range.
post #9518 of 10012
what area do I need to bump up on the mini dsp? 35-55?
post #9519 of 10012
Really depends on your room. I was still playing with REW last year when home. I have the 29Hz filter bumped about +4 db. This kept us with just 4 filters and a curve closely follows to Wayne's hard knee house curve. You should run REW and have an idea of what the curve really looks like. One day I'll get a chance to redo ours and post response. I didn't have time to measure with dual's or one at a time so applied the filter set to the second one. The wine cabinet got a few extra screws rolleyes.gif
post #9520 of 10012
When I added 2 x 2242 subs, I got that magical chest slam that I was after. I only have the one DTS-10. I have since added a TD-18h on an adjacent wall. Nirvana finally.

BTW-I'm really jealous of your speakers!
post #9521 of 10012
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Originally Posted by Wrager View Post

When I added 2 x 2242 subs, I got that magical chest slam that I was after. I only have the one DTS-10. I have since added a TD-18h on an adjacent wall. Nirvana finally.
BTW-I'm really jealous of your speakers!

Aaaannnnddd we've heard suspiciously little from you about your bass since adding the TD18. wink.giftongue.gif
post #9522 of 10012
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Originally Posted by Wrager View Post

When I added 2 x 2242 subs, I got that magical chest slam that I was after. I only have the one DTS-10. I have since added a TD-18h on an adjacent wall. Nirvana finally.
BTW-I'm really jealous of your speakers!

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Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post

Aaaannnnddd we've heard suspiciously little from you about your bass since adding the TD18. wink.giftongue.gif

I want to know which has more chest slam, the TD18 or the 2242 biggrin.gif
post #9523 of 10012
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Originally Posted by Decadent_Spectre View Post

I want to know which has more chest slam, the TD18 or the 2242 biggrin.gif

WHAT ARE THESE SPEAKERS?
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post #9525 of 10012
isnt the LMS ULTRA 18 THE KING OF THE HILL WHEN IT COMES TO DRIVERS?
post #9526 of 10012
"isnt the LMS ULTRA 18 THE KING OF THE HILL WHEN IT COMES TO DRIVERS?"

kind of depends on how you define k-o-t-h.

the re xxx have more excursion.

the dayton ho and stereo integrity ht beat it bang for the buck, but require more enclosure.
post #9527 of 10012
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Originally Posted by LTD02 View Post

"isnt the LMS ULTRA 18 THE KING OF THE HILL WHEN IT COMES TO DRIVERS?"
kind of depends on how you define k-o-t-h.
the re xxx have more excursion.
the dayton ho and stereo integrity ht beat it bang for the buck, but require more enclosure.

Im looking for a one and done though. For a room 16 x 21 and 9 ft ceilings what would be the one and done sub system? 4 -6 lms ultra 18's? Id rather spend once and be done and stop wondering if this is the best I could do.
post #9528 of 10012
I'd advise you invite someone over to eq your dts10. Maybe even pay in beer. You may change how you view output and start thinking of structural integrity of your room and pj mount. I know we have eek.gif
post #9529 of 10012
I was about to suggest the same; get someone over to baseline/measure your current rig.
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Originally Posted by autox320 View Post

I'd advise you invite someone over to eq your dts10. Maybe even pay in beer. You may change how you view output and start thinking of structural integrity of your room and pj mount. I know we have eek.gif
post #9530 of 10012
Where is the SH-50/60 kits that was talked about one year agow by Delany smile.gif thats what i want to know
post #9531 of 10012
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Originally Posted by simple100 View Post

Where is the SH-50/60 kits that was talked about one year agow by Delany smile.gif thats what i want to know

Probably more vaporware...these things seldom come to fruition.
post #9532 of 10012
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Originally Posted by simple100 View Post

Where is the SH-50/60 kits that was talked about one year agow by Delany smile.gif thats what i want to know

Tom wants to do it, the owner of the company, not so much...(perhaps I should say 'other' owner...I forget if Tom has ownership in the company with his name on it or it is soley Mike Hedden's?)
Edited by Aaron Smith - 11/30/12 at 2:21pm
post #9533 of 10012
Same with Brad?/ServoDrive back when TD did the Contrabass kits.

GM
post #9534 of 10012
My assumption was the kit was a thought during the making of the molded series. Now just SM60F and SM96.
post #9535 of 10012
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Originally Posted by kutlow View Post

isnt the LMS ULTRA 18 THE KING OF THE HILL WHEN IT COMES TO DRIVERS?

Two considerations drove my personal decision. While I would love one (or two) LMS based subs, I got my 5749 5749.jpg 433k .jpg file with 2- 2242 drivers for half ($450) of what a single LMS would cost. I have 8 kids (5 foster) so need to seek bargains where I can. I only paid $1275 for my 4622's.
The other aspect is the really unique signature of the 2242. Don't know what it is. Some have described it as "weighty." The TD-18 has nearly the same specs so it too has a special quality (placebo, probably).

I know in previous posts Kutlow asked (begged) for help in EQuing his system. Did you ever reach out to Adam Pelz? I may do that this year after the holidays. Especially now that I am actively bi-amped across the front.
post #9536 of 10012
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Originally Posted by Wrager View Post

Two considerations drove my personal decision. While I would love one (or two) LMS based subs, I got my 5749 5749.jpg 433k .jpg file with 2- 2242 drivers for half ($450) of what a single LMS would cost. I have 8 kids (5 foster) so need to seek bargains where I can. I only paid $1275 for my 4622's.
The other aspect is the really unique signature of the 2242. Don't know what it is. Some have described it as "weighty." The TD-18 has nearly the same specs so it too has a special quality (placebo, probably).
I know in previous posts Kutlow asked (begged) for help in EQuing his system. Did you ever reach out to Adam Pelz? I may do that this year after the holidays. Especially now that I am actively bi-amped across the front.

Yes I spoke to Adam but can not afford to pay a calibrator doctor wages. 1000.00 plus travel.
post #9537 of 10012
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Originally Posted by simple100 View Post

Where is the SH-50/60 kits that was talked about one year agow by Delany smile.gif thats what i want to know
There never was any talk (except maybe wishes from guys on the forum) of the Sh50 or SH60 kits.

There is a possibility of a SM60F type kit. We are looking into some new ideas now (not necessarily as a kit, but as a product) that is a bit more suited for home theatre.hifi usage-based on the same horn.

But who knows. it is not "off the table". But Danley is not a kit company. There are A LOT of things going on right now in product development and that is where the "energy" is being focused.

Part of the problem with a "kit" is the support. Sure- some people won't need it, but others will need to have their hand held every step of the way (which end of the soldering iron do I hold etc) as evidenced by some the DTS10 kit builds.

Danley is not setup to provide that level/type of support yet. We are a "finished product' type of company. The support structure is different between the two.

It is all a matter of priorities-and a full range kit is just not up on the top.

For what it is worth-both Tom and myself support the idea and it is not dead.

Anyway-those are just my opinions-.
post #9538 of 10012
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Originally Posted by Ivan Beaver View Post

There never was any talk (except maybe wishes from guys on the forum) of the Sh50 or SH60 kits.
There is a possibility of a SM60F type kit. We are looking into some new ideas now (not necessarily as a kit, but as a product) that is a bit more suited for home theatre.hifi usage-based on the same horn.
But who knows. it is not "off the table". But Danley is not a kit company. There are A LOT of things going on right now in product development and that is where the "energy" is being focused.
Part of the problem with a "kit" is the support. Sure- some people won't need it, but others will need to have their hand held every step of the way (which end of the soldering iron do I hold etc) as evidenced by some the DTS10 kit builds.
Danley is not setup to provide that level/type of support yet. We are a "finished product' type of company. The support structure is different between the two.
It is all a matter of priorities-and a full range kit is just not up on the top.
For what it is worth-both Tom and myself support the idea and it is not dead.
Anyway-those are just my opinions-.

yay, thanks the the response, herring that its still on the table, but not 100% certain, due to support structure,is great news.
post #9539 of 10012
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Originally Posted by simple100 View Post

yay, thanks the the response, herring that its still on the table, but not 100% certain, due to support structure,is great news.

you must chop down the mightiest tree in the forest.....WITH...A HERRING!

I wish I could fit these in my house..or wanted them.
post #9540 of 10012
for those of you that have the mini dsp hooked up to these subs can you tell me where you apply boost at and by how much.
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