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post #9931 of 10012
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Originally Posted by Ivan Beaver View Post

It does not go real low-but goes real loud. I hope to get final measurements soon (time and weather permitting)-but I think it will be around 150dB peak output.

The newer versions should go a bit and a good bit more- lower and even louder still.

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post #9932 of 10012
So is the BC412 near the same size as the TH412 or do the models not even relate?
post #9933 of 10012
If any of you guys are not too happy with your dts 10 I suggest doing the LMSR 12 speaker swap. It is a huge huge huge difference. biggrin.gif
post #9934 of 10012
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Originally Posted by kutlow View Post

If any of you guys are not too happy with your dts 10 I suggest doing the LMSR 12 speaker swap. It is a huge huge huge difference. biggrin.gif

I'm not unhappy with the stock setup but I don't know what I'm missing. What does this do?

Louis
post #9935 of 10012
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Originally Posted by chrapladm View Post

So is the BC412 near the same size as the TH412 or do the models not even relate?

They are unrelated.

The BC412 is not a TH. Its size is 50x50x18".
post #9936 of 10012
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Originally Posted by Mathelo View Post

I'm not unhappy with the stock setup but I don't know what I'm missing. What does this do?

Louis

If you are happy with stock setup stay put. If not make the switch. They hit much much harder and no bottoming out noises and stronger chest bass.
post #9937 of 10012
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Originally Posted by Decadent_Spectre View Post

They are unrelated.

The BC412 is not a TH. Its size is 50x50x18".
Thanks
post #9938 of 10012
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Originally Posted by chrapladm View Post

So is the BC412 near the same size as the TH412 or do the models not even relate?
The TH412 is 45Wx45 deep x 28(or so) tall. The BC412 is 50Wx50tall x 18 or 19 deep. Al in inches.

They are completely different designs. The TH412 goes a good bit lower while the BC is a new horn alignment that Tom has come up with-and has TONS more chest slam/impact etc.

While the drivers are the same manufacturer-they are VERY different designs-except that they are both 12" and rated each driver is rated at 1000W continuous. So 4KW per cabinet continuous. And the impedance is the same on both -8 ohms per driver-so the cabinets can be either 2x4 ohm or 1x2ohm loads.

There is a switch on the rear panel that you flip to select which mode you want to run it in-depending on which amp you are using.
post #9939 of 10012
WOW......sounds awesome. Thanks Ivan. Still working on getting a pair of SH64's or 96's first. But when I do I am sure there will be another amazing sub I want to buy. biggrin.gif
post #9940 of 10012
If anyone wants a DTS-10 I have an assembled one done in Duratex. Located in Southeast Iowa.
post #9941 of 10012
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Originally Posted by dsl1 View Post

If anyone wants a DTS-10 I have an assembled one done in Duratex. Located in Southeast Iowa.
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post #9942 of 10012
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Originally Posted by flyng_fool View Post

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Haha, price of the kit.
post #9943 of 10012
i have a DTS-10 question that surely must be in the archives someplace but as yet remains unfound. i would like to route (or appropriately, rout) the output of my two DTS-10's though an empty channel of a) 7 to 8 feet of my proscenium and; b) 8 to 9 feet of the rear riser.
  • has anyone done this before?
  • i assume the horn channel should not be a constant volume and should expand at the same dV/dL (change in volume / change in length) as the DTS internals. has anyone calculated this number?
  • what are the theoretical implications of extending the path an additional 8'?
  • to further extend the idea; what of converting the entire riser (11' X 9' X 12") into an extension of the DTS by constructing a series of folds?? only three passes through the riser could generate an additional ~30' of path length. pipe organs produce 16hz through a 32' pipe half the frequency to 8hz by doubling the pipe length. do we theoretically half the output frequency by doubling the path length.

i realize danley put a lot of research into their speakers. my intent is not to re-engineer a great product. i'm really only looking for a way to visually conceal my two 16" X 44" X 50" boxes. my ceiling height precludes using them for a riser and reports have not been overwhelmingly positive using them in that position.

input appreciated!!
post #9944 of 10012
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Originally Posted by Andy611 View Post

i have a DTS-10 question that surely must be in the archives someplace but as yet remains unfound. i would like to route (or appropriately, rout) the output of my two DTS-10's though an empty channel of a) 7 to 8 feet of my proscenium and; b) 8 to 9 feet of the rear riser.
  • has anyone done this before?
  • i assume the horn channel should not be a constant volume and should expand at the same dV/dL (change in volume / change in length) as the DTS internals. has anyone calculated this number?
  • what are the theoretical implications of extending the path an additional 8'?
  • to further extend the idea; what of converting the entire riser (11' X 9' X 12") into an extension of the DTS by constructing a series of folds?? only three passes through the riser could generate an additional ~30' of path length. pipe organs produce 16hz through a 32' pipe half the frequency to 8hz by doubling the pipe length. do we theoretically half the output frequency by doubling the path length.

i realize danley put a lot of research into their speakers. my intent is not to re-engineer a great product. i'm really only looking for a way to visually conceal my two 16" X 44" X 50" boxes. my ceiling height precludes using them for a riser and reports have not been overwhelmingly positive using them in that position.

input appreciated!!


I've only seen a few guys port DTS10s through a wall from a second room.
One off top of my head is one is user name t6902wf; here's his nice room and Clearwave builds http://www.avsforum.com/t/1289000/clearwave-4tse-and-4ccse-build

There was another with dual dts from a kitchen into his theater room. Can't find his post but it's in this danley thread somewhere. Gloss black trimmed picture.

I'd say adding to the port could change loading on the drivers and path a bit. How much I'm not sure maybe one of the other guys will jump in.
post #9945 of 10012
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Originally Posted by Andy611 View Post

i would like to route (or appropriately, rout) the output of my two DTS-10's though an empty channel of a) 7 to 8 feet of my proscenium and; b) 8 to 9 feet of the rear riser.

The drivers are tapped in to fill in the pipe's 3rd harmonic dip, so with this much added length regardless of whether it's tapered or not will not just shift the TH's tuning much lower, but misalign the tap point too much, totally screwing up its response.

Short extensions through a wall wouldn't affect it much, but as you can see in my example of a similar design with 9 ft added [a significant percentage of the TH's path-length], you would gain some upper bass from the shifted tap point at the expense of losing much of the rest of the LF BW [phantom trace].

GM



post #9946 of 10012
thank you autox320 and GPM for your input. your fact filled explanations are greatly appreciated.

my plan-b option of using the subs for the base of a mini bar / footrest between 1st and 2nd row appears even more ill conceived. i suspect the upright half-life status of beverages & popcorn resting atop a DTS is mere seconds.
post #9947 of 10012
You're welcome! Yeah, I imagine you'll need to 'float' a counter-top above it to isolate it. Large subs, particularly of the long path-length variety if not heavily damped [stuffed], ideally need to be designed into the room rather than placed in them as an afterthought unless the room is very large with enough open space to allow plenty of room tuning flexibility.

GM
post #9948 of 10012
I just watched Flight Of The Phoenix with my 3 LMSR DTS10. Omg It is so much cleaner and so much more forceful.
post #9949 of 10012
Glad it proved a worthwhile upgrade for you Kutlow.
post #9950 of 10012
It is more than a worth it. OMG it is like a whole new sub. No weird noises no bottoming out just clean very low distortion bass. It really shows up in music too. If Danley ever opens the dts 10 preorder again I would advise to order without the driver and switch then!
post #9951 of 10012
Are they only better past the overload point of the stock drivers, or do they sound better at lower levels too?
post #9952 of 10012
They sound better at all levels. The bass has a different sound to it. Harder, cleaner and I have yet to push them to their limit! Before the swap I was not happy with the subs. Now they can keep up with my Danley System. It is insane now.
post #9953 of 10012
Ivan have you guys started any new subs for home theater? Or ones that can be used?
post #9954 of 10012
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Originally Posted by kutlow View Post

Ivan have you guys started any new subs for home theater? Or ones that can be used?
Tom has a VERY UNIQUE idea that he has done a little bit of building on-but only getting started-a long way to go. If it works as planned-it will offer some real performance in a relatively small package (not something our current home subs have-with the exception of the CS30)

We have a number of other projects that are taking up his time currently-getting ready for our big trade show (infocomm in June).

Priorities you understand.
post #9955 of 10012
I have 5 crest pro 9200 amplifiers and want a amp rack for them. Where is a good place to look?
post #9956 of 10012
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Originally Posted by Ivan Beaver View Post

Tom has a VERY UNIQUE idea that he has done a little bit of building on-but only getting started-a long way to go. If it works as planned-it will offer some real performance in a relatively small package (not something our current home subs have-with the exception of the CS30)

We have a number of other projects that are taking up his time currently-getting ready for our big trade show (infocomm in June).

Priorities you understand.
Are you able to release any more information on this project yet, Ivan? smile.gif
post #9957 of 10012
ebay

a lot of the major vendors list there
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Originally Posted by kutlow View Post

I have 5 crest pro 9200 amplifiers and want a amp rack for them. Where is a good place to look?
post #9958 of 10012
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Originally Posted by kutlow View Post

I have 5 crest pro 9200 amplifiers and want a amp rack for them. Where is a good place to look?

I have a http://www.starcase.com/ rack. It's a naked PS series. There are lot's of nicer ones available. Also look at http://www.middleatlantic.com/enclosure/main.htm many on this board have mid atlantic racks and they are very nice. Parts express carries accessories like shelves that may be less expensive.
I've since upgraded the casters on the star case. It's a 35U and loaded. The weight became too much so a trip to Lowes hardware had beefier casters.
post #9959 of 10012
I recently purchased a fully assembled DTS10 kit from a member on the forums. I bought a Behringer EP4000 to pair with it. I don't plan on getting a legit EQ piece of hardware at first. My Onkyo TX-SR805 has Audyssey MultEQ XT. Is it worth it to run Audyssey or will I be doing more harm than good? I've heard mixed things about Audyssey and subwoofers.
post #9960 of 10012
If you have a way to measure your in room response you can better guage what you're working with. I have audyssey xt32 and I like most what it does for my subs. Even xt should take care of any major peaks.
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