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post #121 of 404
10/21/09 at 11:43am
i noticed on ebay theres a canadian steelbook edition that goes for like 50 bucks online. what makes it so much better other than its a steelbook case ?
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post #122 of 404
10/21/09 at 11:54am
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Originally Posted by half vader View Post

I'll try again - is the IMAX/Big Screen version a few minutes longer?

No... it is not a few minutes longer, it's only 71 seconds longer.
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post #123 of 404
10/21/09 at 12:02pm
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Originally Posted by rolltide1017 View Post

No... it is not a few minutes longer, it's only 71 seconds longer.

To answer his question cleary, it is 1.183333333 minutes longer.
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post #124 of 404
10/21/09 at 12:08pm
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Originally Posted by Daveyd View Post

Too bad the whole movie was not shot in IMAX. I enjoy movies filling up my entire screen, even though I "only" have a 58" Plasma. I cannot stand black bars.

You should look into constant height setups or use the zoom function on your display. Bottom line is directors film in diff aspect ratios and until that nano technology can be implemented where our tv's can automatically stretch itself to the aspect ratio on disc, you'll always have black bars to deal with.

Do you prefer watching movies on HD cable/sat where the movie is in the wrong aspect ratio but fills the screen?
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post #125 of 404
10/21/09 at 12:16pm
Yeah using the zoom fuction is best for him. Those damn black bars will disappear. Or he could stop watching 2.35:1 movies.
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post #126 of 404
10/21/09 at 12:16pm
Just a quick update.

Went back and got the blue ray 2 disc big screen edititon, IMAX.

Had to go to a 2nd Wal Mart to find it. It was misplaced behind a bunch of regular DVDs inside the big cardboard display at the front of the store.

So, for those still looking, check out those card board displays...at the fron to fthe stores... and look behind the DVDs...just in case.
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post #127 of 404
10/21/09 at 12:29pm
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Originally Posted by RudyMeister View Post

Just a quick update.

Went back and got the blue ray 2 disc big screen edititon, IMAX.

Had to go to a 2nd Wal Mart to find it. It was misplaced behind a bunch of regular DVDs inside the big cardboard display at the front of the store.

So, for those still looking, check out those card board displays...at the fron to fthe stores... and look behind the DVDs...just in case.

That's how I got mine. First WM I went to had the front display filled 100% with DVDs. It was totally filled and there was no BD so I figured the salesppl there botched it and put the wrong discs in the display. Found the BD at a second WM.
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post #128 of 404
10/21/09 at 12:41pm
Xylon, update to BDInfo 0.5.3 and rescan the discs, 0.5.3 shows Dialnorm settings

Maybe the normal one has it off and the Imax version has it on?
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post #129 of 404
10/21/09 at 12:48pm
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Originally Posted by kingsleytim View Post

I asked this a few posts back. Does anyone have any input on this issue? Even the screen shots of the regular blu ray at blu-ray.com show the same perspective. Anyone have an idea why i cant see the mirror or airbrushed artwork in my blu ray like the picture in post number 2? I have the "big screen edition" and on that scene it a close up of megan fox and not the whole bike. I have it playing on the BD-60K FW 2.1 and display on a KDS60A3000

You should take a picture and record the time stamp so others can verify. I remember on my Big Screen Edition I can see her airbrush work on the bike. I think you might possibly have your zoom setting on your display set wrong? Or maybe the shot taken on here is from a different frame than you think.
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post #130 of 404
10/21/09 at 12:51pm
This audio issue is pissing me off. I haven't played the BSE version on my main setup yet but would certainly hate to have a version with inferior audio to another. This would be terrible for us too to have the best video and audio on separate versions of the movie.

Imo however good the BSE version's audio is, as long as it's noticeably inferior to the normal edition it should not get a 5.0.
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post #131 of 404
10/21/09 at 12:54pm
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Originally Posted by jkcheng122 View Post

You should take a picture and record the time stamp so others can verify. I remember on my Big Screen Edition I can see her airbrush work on the bike. I think you might possibly have your zoom setting on your display set wrong? Or maybe the shot taken on here is from a different frame than you think.

Thanks for the input. My zoom is correct and set properly.I just skimmed through it earlier so maybe it is a different frame. It would be nice if the pix posted had time stamps so others can compare their systems with the grabs posted here. Not in any real hurry to watch it but from what i saw the PQ is amazing.
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post #132 of 404
10/21/09 at 12:58pm
OK, I just checked out the audio on the Wal-Mart "Big Screen Edition" and if there's supposed to be a problem with it I certainly can't find one. This is one of the most impressive sounding Blu-Ray discs I've heard yet(and I've got all the reference titles in my collection). I only had to turn up the volume around 2 or 3 db above what I play most discs at. For the record, I'm running an Oppo BDP-83 into a Pioneer Elite VSX-94TXH receiver and the results are beyond amazing IMHO. This kinda reminds me of the controversy with the first Transformers disc where some people said there was no LFE and others had completely opposite findings.
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post #133 of 404
10/21/09 at 1:01pm
Having never seen this movie in theatres before I freakin loved it. I myself bought the Big Screen edition from WalMart and was blown away at the image quality. This movie is what is making me upgrade from 2.0 to 5.0... I can't wait to see (and HEAR!) what it sounds like then !
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post #134 of 404
10/21/09 at 1:09pm
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Originally Posted by jkcheng122 View Post

You should look into constant height setups or use the zoom function on your display. Bottom line is directors film in diff aspect ratios and until that nano technology can be implemented where our tv's can automatically stretch itself to the aspect ratio on disc, you'll always have black bars to deal with.

Do you prefer watching movies on HD cable/sat where the movie is in the wrong aspect ratio but fills the screen?

I tend not to use the Zoom function as I think it make the picture look worse. I am not a videophile by any stretch of the imagination and I don't mind terribly about the movies shown from my Direct TV HD receiver.

I do get tired of my wife complaining about having a large TV and watching a letterboxed movie and having "wasted space" with the black bars
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post #135 of 404
10/21/09 at 1:11pm
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Originally Posted by Xylon View Post




Now this is funny!!! I remember the same scene having the same pixelated look when I watched the film on one of those "fake" IMAX screens that are popping up everywhere. Even my wife was like... "what just happened to the movie"?
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post #136 of 404
10/21/09 at 1:20pm
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Originally Posted by Brent Madden View Post

OK, I just checked out the audio on the Wal-Mart "Big Screen Edition" and if there's supposed to be a problem with it I certainly can't find one. This is one of the most impressive sounding Blu-Ray discs I've heard yet(and I've got all the reference titles in my collection). I only had to turn up the volume around 2 or 3 db above what I play most discs at. For the record, I'm running an Oppo BDP-83 into a Pioneer Elite VSX-94TXH receiver and the results are beyond amazing IMHO. This kinda reminds me of the controversy with the first Transformers disc where some people said there was no LFE and others had completely opposite findings.

thanks for the reassurance. Just bought the imax version today and can't wait to get home and play it on my Oppo also. nice to know it seems to be a bit of nitpicking as usual.
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post #137 of 404
10/21/09 at 1:25pm
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Originally Posted by Brent Madden View Post

OK, I just checked out the audio on the Wal-Mart "Big Screen Edition" and if there's supposed to be a problem with it I certainly can't find one. This is one of the most impressive sounding Blu-Ray discs I've heard yet(and I've got all the reference titles in my collection). I only had to turn up the volume around 2 or 3 db above what I play most discs at. For the record, I'm running an Oppo BDP-83 into a Pioneer Elite VSX-94TXH receiver and the results are beyond amazing IMHO. This kinda reminds me of the controversy with the first Transformers disc where some people said there was no LFE and others had completely opposite findings.

Have you compared it to the normal version?
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post #138 of 404
10/21/09 at 1:25pm
For those bitstreaming this title to be decoded in a hdmi 1.3 receiver what dial norm setting are you getting from your discs walmart imax vs. the standard? Usually DTS-HD is +4db. I am hearing -5db from the imax edition. Is the standard edition the same? In other words what is the dial norm setting Imax compared to the standard edition?
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post #139 of 404
10/21/09 at 1:29pm
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Originally Posted by Daveyd View Post

I tend not to use the Zoom function as I think it make the picture look worse. I am not a videophile by any stretch of the imagination and I don't mind terribly about the movies shown from my Direct TV HD receiver.

I do get tired of my wife complaining about having a large TV and watching a letterboxed movie and having "wasted space" with the black bars

Tell her it'd be much worse if you had a small TV with black bars. They're gonna be there regardless of your TV size, so bigger is still better. What you can also do if your TV has good blacks is turn out the lights completely and the bars will just blend into the darkness and not even be noticeable.

Also check out some webpages regarding aspect ratio and you'll see how much content you lose if a 2.35 movie was made to fit a 1.78 screen.
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post #140 of 404
10/21/09 at 1:31pm
It can't be just a dial norm issue. Dial norm is volume/gain and people and professional reviewers are stating there is a lack of punch/slam compared to the other version. I'm not saying the dial norm isn't different, because it sounds like it is, but it also sound like there's a bass or LFE problem too.
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post #141 of 404
10/21/09 at 1:34pm
Did the office boy encode the DVD ?
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post #142 of 404
10/21/09 at 1:53pm
I am getting reports of dialnorm at 0 and -4 on the Imax edition. What it is on the standard editon I don't know.
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post #143 of 404
10/21/09 at 2:07pm
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Originally Posted by sharkcohen View Post

Please try audio decoding in the player to compare, if you can. I have a ps3 and did not seem to encounter the sound issues others are reporting.

I tried bitstream and internal decoding from both the PS3 and LG BD390 with the same results. None sounded right.

I try with my Panny BD35 tonight.
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post #144 of 404
10/21/09 at 2:15pm
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Originally Posted by Legairre View Post

It can't be just a dial norm issue. Dial norm is volume/gain and people and professional reviewers are stating there is a lack of punch/slam compared to the other version. I'm not saying the dial norm isn't different, because it sounds like it is, but it also sound like there's a bass or LFE problem too.

From what I read, all the professionals only mentioned that they use the exact same settings for both editions. None mentioned they tried level match one edition to another.

Dial Norm is not an issue but an indication of what vol you should set to match your regular listening level.

I've a Netflix copy at home and just bought the BSE from WM. I'll try them out to see (1) what dial norm of each disc really are (2) if I can level match and listen to the differences.
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post #145 of 404
10/21/09 at 2:19pm
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i noticed on ebay theres a canadian steelbook edition that goes for like 50 bucks online. what makes it so much better other than its a steelbook case ?

That's just someone trying to cash in on the fact there seems to be no steelbook edition in the U.S. The Steelbook edition is $27.99 CDN at Future Shop here.
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post #146 of 404
10/21/09 at 2:24pm
If the Wal-Mart IMAX version is just recorded about -4dB softer than the other standard WS release, I can live with that. All we have to do is turn up the volume then. But, if the IMAX was flawed in anyway, thats unacceptable and piss me off!
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post #147 of 404
10/21/09 at 2:27pm
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Originally Posted by Gov View Post

If the Wal-Mart IMAX version is just recorded about -4dB softer than the other standard WS release, I can live with that. All we have to do is turn up the volume then. But, if the IMAX was flawed in anyway, thats unacceptable and piss me off!

This is where I stand as well. Volume low is fine, easily fixed by turning it up, if dynamics are messed with there's nothing we can do outside of hoping we get replacements. Picking up the standard edition is not an option.
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post #148 of 404
10/21/09 at 2:31pm
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Originally Posted by Gov View Post

If the Wal-Mart IMAX version is just recorded about -4dB softer than the other standard WS release, I can live with that. All we have to do is turn up the volume then. But, if the IMAX was flawed in anyway, thats unacceptable and piss me off!


even when i turned up the volume it didn't sound right. If it was just a volume issue it would have been easily solved.
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post #149 of 404
10/21/09 at 2:46pm
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Originally Posted by eric.exe View Post

Xylon, update to BDInfo 0.5.3 and rescan the discs, 0.5.3 shows Dialnorm settings

Maybe the normal one has it off and the Imax version has it on?

Rescanned using ver. 0.5.3. Dialnorm at -4db for the IMAX edition. Confirmed.

First page updated.
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post #150 of 404
10/21/09 at 3:04pm
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Originally Posted by Toe View Post

Have you compared it to the normal version?

No, but I really don't think it's necessary as I can't possibly imagine the normal version sounding any better. It seems that this is just a case of the IMAX version being encoded 3-4 db lower than the regular edition and that is easily rectified by turning the volume up a couple notches. As I mentioned, I had my receiver set 2-3 db higher than what I use for most Blu-Rays and the DTS-MA track sounded absolutely amazing. I think this is all much ado about nothing(just like the LFE debate with the original TF Blu-Ray).
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