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post #2611 of 3092
I've stopped posting reviews here since I moved to a stereo setup.

ROTS sounded excellent to me, though not at TPM's level. I did feel it had he greatest improvement of the three compared to the lossy DVD tracks.
post #2612 of 3092
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Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post


Heffe.. I felt the opposite of you.

I don't try and get into subjective opinions too much about others work, but having now also revisited the first three for the first time since I saw them in theaters, I found my feelings to be reversed.

If I were to do a critique (which I guess I am by writing this ) it would be that the got so focused on trying to pin point the viewers ear to certain things that what they ended up with is something that is fairly sterile..

IOW, it's too clean.

In the end, it was devoid of any kind of life (I wanted cacophony and grit, a little bit more "messy.")

Perhaps that is why the music stands out so much in relation to the other films...

I remember feeling that way in the theater from the first scene on and this confirmed my "recollection..."

Reference in the dynamics, low end extension, clarity, creativity to be sure...

But suffered from the same kind of sterility that accompanied the films as they went from 1 > 3.... and it was even more appearent watching them so close together... in TPM, he had great sets, luscious vistas, and locations that felt alive..

AOTC and ROTS progressively moved into what they were... two or three people standing in front of a green screen, seemingly pasted on to a world that, while dazzling, felt wholly flat and separated from any epic struggle or emotion... like a video game cutscene.

Just my .02... and I'm so glad people are really enjoying these films again in a really fantastic presentation...

(I actually felt the exact opposite about the Transformers films, where I feel the exact opposite thing in TF3... messy and busy teaming worlds, and a fantastically complex dense sound track...)

Hello Film Mixer,
I understand what you are saying but I just felt in the other 2 movies the music sound track felt more recessed. When I watched the first 2 movies I felt like the score could have been brought up more in the mix. With that said I do agree with you that these movies especially 2-3 are extremely sterile and you have to rely on the sound to breath life into them! Do you think these movies deserve a Reference rating?
post #2613 of 3092
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Originally Posted by HeffeMusic View Post

Hello Film Mixer,
I understand what you are saying but I just felt in the other 2 movies the music sound track felt more recessed. When I watched the first 2 movies I felt like the score could have been brought up more in the mix. With that said I do agree with you that these movies especially 2-3 are extremely sterile and you have to rely on the sound to breath life into them! Do you think these movies deserve a Reference rating?

Just remember that you are just as entitled to your feelings, thought and ratings as anyone else...

There was a time, between Ep. 2 and Indiana Jones (where I felt that Ben Burtt had gone into a very sparse, pinpointed design approach (and nothing wrong with it, just not my taste on those films....)

I don't do ratings.. but there are times every couple of years where I hear a film and get so excited again to be a part of that community...

Saving Private Ryan, Forrest Gump, Jurrasic Park, Contact, Kill Bill Vol. 1 were a couple that spring to mind...

And the Pod Race sequence in Episode 1 left my jaw on the floor.. inventive, detailed, dynamic and fun... listen to it again without the picture and you can follow the race... exactly what telling a story through sound is supposed to do.. really fantastic stuff..

So if you had to guess my ratings, I think it's be fairly obvious from these last couple of posts.
post #2614 of 3092
Do you know if the mixes are the same on the blu rays vs the DVDs for Ep 1,2 and 3 FilmMixer? Assuming the same mix, I have to say that RotS was the biggest audio/mix disappointment for me personally on DVD. After experiencing the awesome, exciting and powerful mixes for PM and AotC, the new mixer and mix for RotS stood out like a sore thumb for me. I did not know at the time that the same person (Rydstrom?) who mixed PM and AotC did not mix RotS, but finding this info out later made sense why Sith was such a "different" experience. I will never forget how excited I was to get Sith on DVD, mainly for the audio (going off how awesome Ep 1 and 2 were), and just feeling more and more let down as the film went on...........the lightsabers did not penetrate like they did in the first two films, the LFE was very conservative vs the first 2 films, the track in general just seemed flat vs the first 2 films, etc.......

Do the blu rays have the same mixes that the DVDs had? I am planning on watching Ep 1, 2 and 3 on blu this weekend and curious to revisit all 3 and see if I still feel the same way about these tracks.
post #2615 of 3092
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Originally Posted by Toe View Post

Do you know if the mixes are the same on the blu rays vs the DVDs for Ep 1,2 and 3 FilmMixer? Assuming the same mix, I have to say that RotS was the biggest audio/mix disappointment for me personally on DVD. After experiencing the awesome, exciting and powerful mixes for PM and AotC, the new mixer and mix for RotS stood out like a sore thumb for me. I did not know at the time that the same person (Rydstrom?) who mixed PM and AotC did not mix RotS, but finding this info out later made sense why Sith was such a "different" experience. I will never forget how excited I was to get Sith on DVD, mainly for the audio (going off how awesome Ep 1 and 2 were), and just feeling more and more let down as the film went on...........the lightsabers did not penetrate like they did in the first two films, the LFE was very conservative vs the first 2 films, the track in general just seemed flat vs the first 2 films, etc.......

Do the blu rays have the same mixes that the DVDs had? I am planning on watching Ep 1, 2 and 3 on blu this weekend and curious to revisit all 3 and see if I still feel the same way about these tracks.

Don't know if they did the remixes on 1-3 like they did for 4-6. I suspect not.

But trust me.... You will feel the same way.
post #2616 of 3092
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Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post

Don't know if they did the remixes on 1-3 like they did for 4-6. I suspect not.

But trust me.... You will feel the same way.

Thanks for keeping my expectations in check..... At least the Pod Race and other moments from 1/2 should still be great.
post #2617 of 3092
I just finished going thru the set in release order
4/5/6/1/2/3
The sound progressively improved throughout until
ROTS - what a let down
TPM and AOTC solid Tier 0
I found ROTS was weak in comparison to 1 and 2
Just not very powerful or exciting
post #2618 of 3092
Thor (DTS-HD-MA 7.1) REFERENCE

HT audio does not get much better than this as far as I am concerned. Talk about dynamic......WOW! LFE was certainly a standout as it hit often and hard and the best was saved for the last big scene in the flick which I LOVE. I know there has been talk of this track being filtered at 20hz, but whatever was lost in the last little bit of extension was made up for in pure output and horsepower. AWESOME! No issues with dialog here and I watched at my standard -1 on my Onkyo which is where I watch all DTS-MA tracks at for the first time. Surrounds were excellent as well.
post #2619 of 3092
Star Wars Ep1 The Phantom Menace (DTS-HD-MA 6.1) Reference
Star Wars Ep2 Attack of the Clones (DTS-HD-MA 6.1) Reference


These 2 mixes are the same animal to my ears and both are still deserving of reference status. VERY well balanced tracks, but not in a conservative way. Nice and dynamic, EXCELLENT use of the LFE channel, brilliant surround work in both action and more quiet type scenes (some of the ambient moments are just fantastic with sounds going on all around you and really pulling you into the films), dialog mixed in just right..........just great mix work all around IMO. Lightsabers just penetrate the room/listening position and are so full and thick sounding/feeling. Some great demo worthy sequences such as the seismic charge/asteroid chase, droid factory, arena battle and the battle following all in Ep 2.........Ep1 the entire end battle is just incredible and last but not least the infamous Pod Race which sounds as good or better than ever......WOW!

Did not get to Episode 3 yet.
post #2620 of 3092
Watched The Phantom Menace tonight. The AQ was flat out 100% USDA pure awesomeness. The pod race was jaw dropping. My son looked up at me and said, "dad, I can feel it in my chest." I was so proud. The lightsaber battles were nothing short of spectacular. Like the pod race, when the sabers hit each other, you literally felt it. It's like I was there, man. If the lights were on and my family looked at me at any given moment, they would have seen me grinning from ear-to-ear. A thoroughly great time.
post #2621 of 3092
I don't know what you guys think, but I have been excited for all these movies coming out with kick ass audio tracks Thor, Star Wars, Transformers, Fast Five, Captain America, Jurassic Park, Super 8, and Green Lantern are just a few
post #2622 of 3092
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Originally Posted by bases1616 View Post

I don't know what you guys think, but I have been excited for all these movies coming out with kick ass audio tracks Thor, Star Wars, Transformers, Fast Five, Captain America, Jurassic Park, Super 8, and Green Lantern are just a few

Agreed! I was thinking about this last weekend. Between the killer catalog tracks and new releases, its been a great year and we still got a lot of potentially great titles to go.
post #2623 of 3092
Hello All,
I finally had a chance to watch the first part of the the original Star Wars Series
A New HOPE. I have to say that I would give the audio a reference vote just based on the Musical Score alone! It was truly amazing how big the orchestra sounded. The music was filling my entire listening area. There was also some great LFE during the exploding planet scene.
post #2624 of 3092
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STAR WARS; PHANTOM MENACE AND ATTACK OF THE CLONES

Call it tier 0 or 1 but this is as good as any br audio track I hae ever heard.
the AQ of the 6 movies totally kicks ass compared to the PQ

Recommendation: TIER 0
post #2625 of 3092
Star Wars: Episode V. TESB (DTS HD MA 6.1) Tier 1

Much like the New Hope, this sounded quiet dated and brass. Dialog improved quiet a bit though, but detail and finesse is nowhere near of the PT. Bass was pumped up during the MF flyby's, but lacked presence when the Imperial star destroyers almost collided for instance.Dynamics were good for the most part. Music sounded brass and thin, compared to the new recordings of the PT's music, which sounded very "organic".


Star Wars: Episode II. AOTC (DTS HD MA 6.1) Tier reference

I actually like this mix better here then on the DVD. The overcooked bass especially at the beginning, were toned down to a more balanced presentation without losing it's impact. This allowed the sound design to shine through a little better, and not being drowned out by heavy one note bass frs. This was a quite welcome change also on the final battle scenes. The dialog also improved here, there was a scene early on in the Chancellor's chambers, with Anakin, that had this faint high pitched hiss, that seems to be missing here. All in all this is a superb mix, that holds up very well in today's crowded field of excellent mixes.
post #2626 of 3092
I've seen some great reviews on Rush R30 and Snakes & Arrows BD. Unless I am missing them, I don't see them on front page.

I'd imagine both title are at least tier 1 or better?
Any opinions?
post #2627 of 3092
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Originally Posted by AVMAN777 View Post

I've seen some great reviews on Rush R30 and Snakes & Arrows BD. Unless I am missing them, I don't see them on front page.

I'd imagine both title are at least tier 1 or better?
Any opinions?

IMHO, Snakes and Arrows is one of the worst blu ray concert mixes I have heard. Great show, **** mix. I wrote a review in one of the previous audio threads which you can find in the first post of this thread if you are interested in my thoughts. VERY anemic/thin and ambient type mix and very much lacking a direct type sound which I strongly prefer for concerts. In fact the only Rush I would recommend on blu ray as far as sound/mix goes is the Moving Pictures blu ray audio disc which sounds great IMO! Just my opinion though.

There is also a Snakes and Arrows thread if you do a search in this blu ray software forum which has a bunch of opinions.
post #2628 of 3092
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Originally Posted by Toe View Post

VERY anemic/thin and ambient type mix and very much lacking a direct type sound which I strongly prefer for concerts. In fact the only Rush I would recommend on blu ray as far as sound/mix goes is the Moving Pictures blu ray audio disc which sounds great IMO! Just my opinion though.

Completely agree.
post #2629 of 3092
Transformers Dark of the Moon (TrueHD 7.1) Reference

REFERENCE
Pretty much sums up my A/V impression of the newest Transformers experience. The last 30 minutes is probably the finest audio I've ever heard. I was left wondering what could possibly top it. Hairs on my arms stood up, my house and theater chairs rattled and shook. You just have to hear and feel it for yourself. You will not be disappointed.
post #2630 of 3092
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Originally Posted by Maestro J View Post

Transformers Dark of the Moon (TrueHD 7.1) Reference

REFERENCE
Pretty much sums up my A/V impression of the newest Transformers experience. The last 30 minutes is probably the finest audio I've ever heard. I was left wondering what could possibly top it. Hairs on my arms stood up, my house and theater chairs rattled and shook. You just have to hear and feel it for yourself. You will not be disappointed.

Nice take.
post #2631 of 3092
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Originally Posted by GoCaboNow View Post


Nice take.

Agreed - just awesome.

(It should go without saying, but I will qualify and say that when you pop in a disc like this expecting greatness, make damn sure it's the Blu-ray. In the dark, I'd accidentally put in the DVD, watched a chapter or two in quiet but total disappointment, and eventually realized my mistake. Put the Blu-ray in, jumped to chapter 16 or so, and spent the next 30-45 minutes grinning from ear to ear.)
post #2632 of 3092
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Originally Posted by Maestro J View Post

Transformers Dark of the Moon (TrueHD 7.1) Reference

REFERENCE
Pretty much sums up my A/V impression of the newest Transformers experience. The last 30 minutes is probably the finest audio I've ever heard. I was left wondering what could possibly top it. Hairs on my arms stood up, my house and theater chairs rattled and shook. You just have to hear and feel it for yourself. You will not be disappointed.

Agreed!!

Transformers Dark of the Moon (TrueHD 7.1) REFERENCE

WOW!!!! Not sure what the hell just happened, but I loved it! Seriously amazing audio/mix. This was so much fun.........I dont think I have ever heard my surrounds work like that, but it was not just that.........the whole track was balanced so well and every speaker was utilized to the max and they all worked together in a way that I am not sure I have heard quite to that degree.......LFE was just insane and every scene seemed to hit just like you would expect. LFE did not go quite as deep subjectively as some tracks I have experienced (Star Trek comes to mind), but this is such a minor complaint it is hardly worth mentioning.........the experience as a whole is just amazing. What an experience.......cant wait for the 3d version in Dec which should push this one right off the cliff as far as HT experiences go.
post #2633 of 3092
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Originally Posted by Maestro J View Post

Transformers Dark of the Moon (TrueHD 7.1) Reference

REFERENCE
Pretty much sums up my A/V impression of the newest Transformers experience. The last 30 minutes is probably the finest audio I've ever heard. I was left wondering what could possibly top it. Hairs on my arms stood up, my house and theater chairs rattled and shook. You just have to hear and feel it for yourself. You will not be disappointed.

+1 reference for me also!
post #2634 of 3092
Transformers Dark of the Moon (TrueHD 7.1) REFERENCE

From the beginning to the end awesome. Balanced, great LFE, I will be playing
the last 30 minutes as my new Home theater demo.

Added it to the Reference list.
post #2635 of 3092
I'm not finding the LFE in TF3 as impressive as I was expecting. Going to check my settings after the movie is over since I admit I was fondling my system in a drunken stuper last night, but I don't recall messing with anything that would effect the low frequencies.
post #2636 of 3092
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Originally Posted by sb1 View Post

I'm not finding the LFE in TF3 as impressive as I was expecting. Going to check my settings after the movie is over since I admit I was fondling my system in a drunken stuper last night, but I don't recall messing with anything that would effect the low frequencies.

Does the wife know about this fondling?

The ultra low stuff has been chopped off according to the sub forum, so maybe that is what is missing to your ears? I noticed this track did not dig quite as deep as some others, but the output, amount and variety of LFE was excellent IMO.
post #2637 of 3092
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Originally Posted by Toe View Post

Does the wife know about this fondling?

The ultra low stuff has been chopped off according to the sub forum, so maybe that is what is missing to your ears? I noticed this track did not dig quite as deep as some others, but the output, amount and variety of LFE was excellent IMO.

Really? That sucks. I checked my settings and everything seems normal.

Yeah, the wife knows about the fondling. By now she simply accepts it as part of our relationship.
post #2638 of 3092
Transformers Dark of the Moon (TrueHD 7.1) REFERENCE

While there was not anything below 20 Hz I still thought they did a great job with all of the sound effects. I played the movie with the 7.1 setting even though I only have 5.1 and I could swear there was height channels playing while I was watching the movie. I did listen to the movie at reference (0db) and it was loud but never fatiguing.
post #2639 of 3092
Anybody else have to crank Transformers up to get some loudness? Normally I'm good at -20 but I had to put up it to -5 and still it wasn't to my liking.
post #2640 of 3092
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Originally Posted by sb1 View Post

I admit I was fondling my system in a drunken stuper last night, but I don't recall messing with anything that would effect the low frequencies.

I hate it when that happens.

I put in TF3 for a bit last night. Watched it up until Rosie walked up the stairs. Yowza.

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Originally Posted by 357 View Post

Anybody else have to crank Transformers up to get some loudness? Normally I'm good at -20 but I had to put up it to -5 and still it wasn't to my liking.

I've found that on Dolby TrueHD movies I must bump the volume up more compared to their DTS-HD MA counterparts. Although I've never had that big (-15db) of a difference.
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