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post #2641 of 3092
Finally got around to watching Thor tonight. Holy moly! The LFE is insane. Insane, I tell you! The opening battle on Jotunheim against the Frost Giants was, for lack of a better word, the shizzle. Man, this movie just kept impressing me. The battle between Thor and the Destroyer on Earth was nothing short of wall crumbling awesomeness! It literally blew my mind. *poof* Blown.
post #2642 of 3092
Transformers 3: The Dark of the Moon

Excellent mix! Incredible use of the surrounds. Very good bass, but like others, I think that there could have been more.

I do have a very minor/slight disappointment with the dialog too. It isn't bad by any means at all, but it isn't as clean, clear and as crisp as it good be, especially given the clarity of the sound effects.

Tier 0
post #2643 of 3092
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Originally Posted by Waboman View Post

Finally got around to watching Thor tonight. Holy moly! The LFE is insane. Insane, I tell you! The opening battle on Jotunheim against the Frost Giants was, for lack of a better word, the shizzle. Man, this movie just kept impressing me. The battle between Thor and the Destroyer on Earth was nothing short of wall crumbling awesomeness! It literally blew my mind. *poof* Blown.

I like how you put it. "*poof* blown" lol
post #2644 of 3092
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Originally Posted by Waboman View Post

Finally got around to watching Thor tonight. Holy moly! The LFE is insane. Insane, I tell you! The opening battle on Jotunheim against the Frost Giants was, for lack of a better word, the shizzle. Man, this movie just kept impressing me. The battle between Thor and the Destroyer on Earth was nothing short of wall crumbling awesomeness! It literally blew my mind. *poof* Blown.

lol.......... That is 2 of the best phrases (*poof* blown, and slap yo mama bass) I have seen in this thread Waboman........keep em coming!

Talk about "SYM" bass............THOR had tons of it!*poof* Blown is right! How about that final battle as well..........WOW! Looking to add this to my collection when I can get it on sale.

I have to say though that the more I think about this low end filtering on Thor and Transf 3 (and other films), the more it bothers me. That last bit of extension can make a big difference and I just dont get why they would chop this off??? Any chance of the 3d/2d release being unfiltered?
post #2645 of 3092
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Originally Posted by 357 View Post

Anybody else have to crank Transformers up to get some loudness? Normally I'm good at -20 but I had to put up it to -5 and still it wasn't to my liking.

That is a HUGE compensation.........did you have DRC/night mode engaged by chance? My Onkyo defaults to "Auto" for TrueHD tracks and in some cases (Iron Man for example) it actually engages DRC and you have to manually turn it off. I cant set "off" to default for TrueHD so I am just in the conscious habit of turning night mode off when I watch a TrueHD track. Having said that, a lot of TrueHD tracks that have the dialnorm engaged I have to bump up, but Transf 3 I watched at my standard -1 from ref on my Onkyo which is where I watch most tracks the first spin and this was PLENTY loud for this 7.1 track.

Here is a cool short video interviewing Greg Russell about the mixing in Transf 3 that another forum member posted in another thread.........

http://vimeo.com/29745810
post #2646 of 3092
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Originally Posted by Rob Tomlin View Post

Transformers 3: The Dark of the Moon

Excellent mix! Incredible use of the surrounds. Very good bass, but like others, I think that there could have been more.

I do have a very minor/slight disappointment with the dialog too. It isn't bad by any means at all, but it isn't as clean, clear and as crisp as it good be, especially given the clarity of the sound effects.

Tier 0

I thought I was the only one who thinks that there's a lot distortion/crackling in some of the dialogues.
post #2647 of 3092
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Originally Posted by sb1 View Post

I'm not finding the LFE in TF3 as impressive as I was expecting. Going to check my settings after the movie is over since I admit I was fondling my system in a drunken stuper last night, but I don't recall messing with anything that would effect the low frequencies.

Struggling with the lfe thing too. There is sooo much going on and the lfe hits you over and over but somehow the lfe was not as impactfull for me? May be because there is SOOO much going on? I watched Hanna the next night and there were some insane LFE pulses where my hair kind of twirls. Hard to explain but is usually some low sh@! when that happens. I never got that in TF3. Lots of splosions and chair rumbling but not that truly reference lfe moment(s)? Will have to watch the last part again. Amazing surrounds and lots of LFE but will have to check it out again to see if I missed some truly great lfe moments. It was a great track but my guests seemed more blown away by the stars intro than anything else.
post #2648 of 3092
Transformers: Dark of the Moon (Dolby TrueHD 7.1) Reference

Once again a Transformers movie becomes my favorite audio mix. I love the sound design in these films so much. The surround mix in this really feels aggressive and well utilized compared to most other recent 7.1 tracks. It's an absolute joy to hear the separation and spatialization, and it makes use of it very often, and appropriately. On all counts this is a technically impressive and perfect mix to me. Bass is loud and prominent as one might expect, even though it might not reach into ULF territory. Dialog and music are well mixed and the dynamics are great. But the sound design, again, is where this mix really shines.

I wrote a more full review at my site. This is certainly my new demo disc.
post #2649 of 3092
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Originally Posted by Waboman View Post

Finally got around to watching Thor tonight. Holy moly! The LFE is insane. Insane, I tell you! The opening battle on Jotunheim against the Frost Giants was, for lack of a better word, the shizzle. Man, this movie just kept impressing me. The battle between Thor and the Destroyer on Earth was nothing short of wall crumbling awesomeness! It literally blew my mind. *poof* Blown.

Sweet! On tap for next weekend. Poof!
post #2650 of 3092
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Originally Posted by Waboman View Post

Finally got around to watching Thor tonight. Holy moly! The LFE is insane. Insane, I tell you! The opening battle on Jotunheim against the Frost Giants was, for lack of a better word, the shizzle. Man, this movie just kept impressing me. The battle between Thor and the Destroyer on Earth was nothing short of wall crumbling awesomeness! It literally blew my mind. *poof* Blown.

Sounds like fun, will be watching tonight, apparently it is actually supposed to be a good film to boot. I will add my two cents later.

Cheers!
post #2651 of 3092
Transformers 3 (Dolby THD 7.1) Reference

Not much can be said wasn't said already, including some of the concerns regarding the dialog, which I do share. Regarding the bass, this is how the other two movies handled bass as well. So it's not the deepest and loudest, but it is very good indeed. I wonder where is is "filtered" claim comes from, which would denote that there was something removed hence the less then "awesome bass" to some. It's funny how a soundtrack doesn't live up someone's expectation, then suddenly these outlandish claims pop up as gospel.
post #2652 of 3092
Hanna (DTS-HD-MA) tier 0

You can tell a lot of thought went into the sound design for this film and it had a unique feel to it IMO. Pretty wicked sound work with some surprising deep, strong LFE when called upon that was sending my Buttkickers into fits. My BKs rarely bottom, but this movie made it happen 3-4 times with one really extreme example early on. Excellent LFE though and great use of it. Some of these scenes will sneak up on you like the first big one early on in the film involving a plane. Nice use of surrounds as well that even tricked me into thinking I was hearing something coming from inside my room, but it was coming from the audio track........I love when these moments happen in a film since it is a trip!
post #2653 of 3092
Transformers 3 Dolby THD 7.1 Reference
This was a bit conflicting for me. On the one hand it is a wonderfully balanced track with dialogue, surrounds and lfe working together - flawlessly. Plus, there is a ton of activity in the surrounds. Constant pinging of gunfire and typical surround effects. Also, the LFE hits over and over, with so much big action representing on screen. The quality and quantity of effects on this track was superb. The problem, for me, was the next day, and even right after the movie, nothing really stood out except the contant barrage of effects. The action reminded me of Battle LA, yet I could still vividly remember certain audio scenes in B-LA even months later. So I watched TF3 again. Then I watched Battle LA. My conclusion is the audio in TF3 is representative more of Bays editing style. Everything quick, coming at you, but no real drama or dynamics. Battle LA, and other great tracks that I like, have very special affect(s) mixed in to the sound design. When the building starts to go over in TF3 you get a moderate elevation in lFE over the normal LFE pulses that have been hitting throughout the movie. The best audio tracks would have doubled that effect. The surround activity became redundant, to me, in TF3 after a while. Battle LA, among others, will mix a special, more dynamic effect to come from the surrounds periodically. Something more impactful than very basic gun fire or average effects. Bottom line, the dynamics were so even keeled in TF3 that it became a bit boring. Non-action was at a certain level and action was at another. Not as many impactful, dramatic peaks in the action just a constant blur of sound. Some folks will like this because the "overblown" audio does not take them out of the movie. I like it if it matches what is on the screen.
post #2654 of 3092
Hanna DTS-HD-MA Tier 0

This could have been a little more active in the surrounds but some crazy, deep, LFE was very fun and my four 18" ib system was happy for the workout.
post #2655 of 3092
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Originally Posted by GoCaboNow View Post

Transformers 3 Dolby THD 7.1 Reference
This was a bit conflicting for me. On the one hand it is a wonderfully balanced track with dialogue, surrounds and lfe working together - flawlessly. Plus, there is a ton of activity in the surrounds. Constant pinging of gunfire and typical surround effects. Also, the LFE hits over and over, with so much big action representing on screen. The quality and quantity of effects on this track was superb. The problem, for me, was the next day, and even right after the movie, nothing really stood out except the contant barrage of effects. The action reminded me of Battle LA, yet I could still vividly remember certain audio scenes in B-LA even months later. So I watched TF3 again. Then I watched Battle LA. My conclusion is the audio in TF3 is representative more of Bays editing style. Everything quick, coming at you, but no real drama or dynamics. Battle LA, and other great tracks that I like, have very special affect(s) mixed in to the sound design. When the building starts to go over in TF3 you get a moderate elevation in lFE over the normal LFE pulses that have been hitting throughout the movie. The best audio tracks would have doubled that effect. The surround activity became redundant, to me, in TF3 after a while. Battle LA, among others, will mix a special, more dynamic effect to come from the surrounds periodically. Something more impactful than very basic gun fire or average effects. Bottom line, the dynamics were so even keeled in TF3 that it became a bit boring. Non-action was at a certain level and action was at another. Not as many impactful, dramatic peaks in the action just a constant blur of sound. Some folks will like this because the "overblown" audio does not take them out of the movie. I like it if it matches what is on the screen.

I see where you coming from, the dynamics aren't the best, and it does get repetitive, though I thought the surrounds were used to great effect, and some of it sounded refreshing, compared to the typical roles they been relegated to. I never saw Battle LA on BD, I only saw it on Amazon I.V . with DD 5.1, but even that kicked major ass.
post #2656 of 3092
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Originally Posted by thehun View Post

I see where you coming from, the dynamics aren't the best, and it does get repetitive, though I thought the surrounds were used to great effect, and some of it sounded refreshing, compared to the typical roles they been relegated to. I never saw Battle LA on BD, I only saw it on Amazon I.V . with DD 5.1, but even that kicked major ass.

Yeah, the surrounds are very nice. Kind of silly to nitpic such a good track.

So many great audio releases, the bar keeps getting raised. I want the best from War of the Worlds, Tron...and this, all wrapped up together - for every movie.
post #2657 of 3092
Any of us audio nuts heard Fast Five yet? Thinking about a blind buy based on strong word of mouth. Need a movie for guests tonight.
post #2658 of 3092
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Originally Posted by sb1 View Post

Any of us audio nuts heard Fast Five yet? Thinking about a blind buy based on strong word of mouth. Need a movie for guests tonight.

its a good flick,sounded good to me but im not ready to rate it yet cause i want to watch it again before i do.
post #2659 of 3092
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Originally Posted by sb1 View Post

Any of us audio nuts heard Fast Five yet? Thinking about a blind buy based on strong word of mouth. Need a movie for guests tonight.

I dunno. Getting water boarded sounds preferable to watching two hours of Vin Diesel and Paul walker. I have read decent things about the AQ. And because of that I will rent it. But I'm in no hurry, it's at the bottom of my queue.
post #2660 of 3092
Finally watched Transformers 3 tonight. I agree with what the others have posted regarding it. Wow, what an audio and video tour de force. Holy active surrounds, Optimus. We had stuff flying all around us. The LFE was nice, tight and punchy. No excess fat at all. You could feel it in your ribs. A fun ride and definitely an AQ/VQ juggernaut.
post #2661 of 3092
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Originally Posted by GoCaboNow View Post

Hanna DTS-HD-MA Tier 0

This could have been a little more active in the surrounds but some crazy, deep, LFE was very fun and my four 18" ib system was happy for the workout.

Agreed

Hanna DTS-HD-MA Tier 0
post #2662 of 3092
Thor (DTS-HD-MA 7.1) REFERENCE

What a fun track. The dynamics, LFE and sheer presence this track has are a blast! As good as it was they still missed some of ULF opportunities. Why do some scenes have it and others, that have a similar action happening on screen, did not?? Not going to hold it against Thor as it still was a blast!!

Fast Five (DTS-HD-MA 5.1) Tier 0

Pretty basic track. Typical fun score, active surrounds and a little LFE thrown in. Nothing too inventive or crazy. Fronts seemed to get some good use but the .1 channel was a little light compared to other "car" acton flicks. The Drive Angry track was much more fun than this. Not bad. Not great.
post #2663 of 3092
TRANSFORMERS: DARK OF THE MOON: TIER 0

While and extremely engaging and balanced track, I can't quite give it a reference because of lack of fine detail. I'm sorry, I heard more detail in the 2nd film than I did this one. Still and all, it was very well balanced between the dialog and the sound effects. Had it been a bit cleaner it would have earned a reference.
post #2664 of 3092
I know I'm late to the Sunshine party. But I finally got around to watching it last night. I had seen it once when it was first released. Thought it was ok then. But per our discussion awhile back, I rented it again and really enjoyed it this time. The AQ was insane. There were times I literally felt I was on that ship. The whole soundtrack was stellar. Not only was the LFE top notch, the use of surrounds was most excellent. The atmosphere they created thru the soundtrack was eerily awesome. After watching this I have to wonder why can't all movies sound this good? Do the studios try and save money and hire inexperienced sound mixers?
post #2665 of 3092
The Warrior Way (DTS-HDMA) Reference
Very good dynamics, plenty of LFE, surrounds. Dialog is quite clear.

Transformer (DTS-HDMA) Reference
What can I say...

Fast Five (DTS-HDMA) Tier0
If I did not go through the above two films within a week, I could give Fast Five reference. I do agree that it is pretty typical and you know what you will get, but overall, solid Tier0.. can't complain.
post #2666 of 3092
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Originally Posted by snyper99 View Post

its a good flick,sounded good to me but im not ready to rate it yet cause i want to watch it again before i do.

I love the franchise, so I would buy it. Very enjoyable with some very creative and exciting action sequences. The sound was very, very good....but not top notch. I actually thought that Tokyo drift had better overall sound. Although the grenade in Fast five was sick.
post #2667 of 3092
X Men:First Class (DTS HD MA) Tier 0
This was a lot of fun. Not the Dynamics or surrounds of Thor that we watched just before this but still alot of fun.

The Relic DTS HD MA 7.1 Tier 0
For an older "horror" flic this really packs a punch. Movies from the 90's can be very hit or miss but this one was a definite hit!
post #2668 of 3092
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Originally Posted by GoCaboNow View Post


Fast Five (DTS-HD-MA 5.1) Tier 0

Pretty basic track. Typical fun score, active surrounds and a little LFE thrown in. Nothing too inventive or crazy. Fronts seemed to get some good use but the .1 channel was a little light compared to other "car" acton flicks. The Drive Angry track was much more fun than this. Not bad. Not great.

Agree completely. Just for giggles I played the original, on HD DVD,[DD+] and must say that was more inventive and more dynamic then this, and part 4. [sound wise]
post #2669 of 3092
After reading all these glowing reviews couldn't wait to watch Dark of the Moon well it seemed OK but not that great checked all my gear and let it go at that.
So here I am today still reading how Great the sound is and I see 7.1 listed
???
I dont remember seeing 7.1 lit up ( Yes I do have a PS3 and I know PCM wont light up my receiver) I was using my Panny player that evening .
Soooooo it turns out that I took the DVD copy out of the case and watched that by mistake !The Blu Ray was on the front cover under the 10 dollar coupon ! Looks like I'll be watching Trans 3 again ( :
post #2670 of 3092
LOL ! The funny things is that you didn't even saw the difference vs the picture quality ! For me Blu-ray vs Dvd is like night and ray !!!
But the sound quality on this release is Outstanding. Glorious 7.1 sound !
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