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post #2761 of 3004
12/19/11 at 10:07am
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Originally Posted by Toe View Post

At least you have a good excuse for the kids movies you own!

Yep, excuse is what it is.

Cowboys & Aliens (DTS-HD MA) Tier 0

I agree with some others, this is about as low a tier 0 as possible. Pretty fun enjoyable mix, but still very average. There was some average LFE, some decent surround activity. Dialogue was good. Pretty basic stuff. My guests enjoyed the audio and thought it was very good - until we watched the animated movie "9" right after this. 9 blew away C and A and had my guests talking about the audio well afterwards...
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post #2762 of 3004
12/19/11 at 1:27pm
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Originally Posted by GoCaboNow View Post

Yep, excuse is what it is.

Cowboys & Aliens (DTS-HD MA) Tier 0

I agree with some others, this is about as low a tier 0 as possible. Pretty fun enjoyable mix, but still very average. There was some average LFE, some decent surround activity. Dialogue was good. Pretty basic stuff. My guests enjoyed the audio and thought it was very good - until we watched the animated movie "9" right after this. 9 blew away C and A and had my guests talking about the audio well afterwards...

I totally understand this experience as I went through it the other night. Watched KFP2 first which technically had a very solid track (besides the conservative low end), but the overall WOW factor was not up to the best tier 0/reference tracks for me. Watched Battle LA right after and WOW! Blown away to say the least! Both great audio experiences, but Battle LA was clearly in a different league from a pure "WOW" standpoint.
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post #2763 of 3004
12/21/11 at 9:27am
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Originally Posted by Toe View Post

I totally understand this experience as I went through it the other night. Watched KFP2 first which technically had a very solid track (besides the conservative low end), but the overall WOW factor was not up to the best tier 0/reference tracks for me. Watched Battle LA right after and WOW! Blown away to say the least! Both great audio experiences, but Battle LA was clearly in a different league from a pure "WOW" standpoint.

Well, in fairness to KFP2, not many tracks Battle LA would not blow away.

I love the scene, early, when they are in the chopper (plane?) and explosions are going off all around them. Made my theater feel like IT was being bombarded from all around.

Would be interesting to do a back to back of Battle LA and War of the Worlds.
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post #2764 of 3004
12/21/11 at 11:30am
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Originally Posted by GoCaboNow View Post

Well, in fairness to KFP2, not many tracks Battle LA would not blow away.

I love the scene, early, when they are in the chopper (plane?) and explosions are going off all around them. Made my theater feel like IT was being bombarded from all around.

Would be interesting to do a back to back of Battle LA and War of the Worlds.

Good point about KFP2/Battle LA.

A back to back of WOTW/Battle LA would send me into a overload/overdose! In the best possible way though of course!

That scene you mention (cant remember if it was a chopper or plane either) is just incredible. It sounds so realistic and some of those explosions are so tight, powerful and punchy......just awesome! A very 3 dimensional type sound scene for sure as some of those explosions seem to hit where there are no speakers.

Watched Despicable Me last night again and the rocket scene toward the end was fantastic for LFE! I had forgot about that and then it hit.......WOW!
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post #2765 of 3004
12/21/11 at 12:21pm
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Originally Posted by Toe View Post

It sounds so realistic and some of those explosions are so tight, powerful and punchy......just awesome! A very 3 dimensional type sound scene for sure as some of those explosions seem to hit where there are no speakers.

This is one of the effects that really separates an audio design for me. It's like the sound designer started an effect through a surround speaker and then ended it through the lfe channel or something. So, to the listener, it sounded like the lfe was coming from the surround position. In essence giving directional LFE even though you really can't do that. Really cool effect to make you feel like you are in the middle of the action. I like it!
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post #2766 of 3004
12/23/11 at 2:18pm
^^^^^^^^^^^^^Agreed!

Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2 (DTS-HD-MA) tier 0

Exact same type of mix vs part 1 which is to say fantastic. I really dont have any complaints at all. This track rivaled FOTR as far as the use of echo on voices which sounded VERY cool. Excellent use of the low end, great surround work, very dynamic.
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post #2767 of 3004
12/26/11 at 1:48pm
Super 8 (TrueHD 7.1) tier 0

This was a pretty high tier 0 for me. The only real complaints I had which were minor are the track seemed a bit front heavy at times (especially in non action type scenes), and the upper end was a bit harsh for me on occasion which I rarely find. Otherwise, I thought the dynamics were excellent, LFE use was fantastic (not quite as deep as some tracks, but deep enough), dialog was good and there were some great demo caliber type scenes the best of which was the train wreck! Great track overall IMO.
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post #2768 of 3004
12/28/11 at 3:57am
The system is 5.1 via a Pioneer 1020 with a new Bic F12. I have never had a sub, I know shame on me, but prior to that every HT set up I did for family I did I used the hallway scene from the Matrix. Now that everything is BD I find the old format with my Matrix is...meh...

My next upgrade is my Center and fronts, but that's for a different thread.

I'm looking for suggestions on what scene from movies you guys are using with your HT so show it off.

I thought there was a thread (actually, I'm sure of it. I just can't find it) with specific scenes people show off, not the AQ thread. I saw that.
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post #2769 of 3004
12/28/11 at 4:51am
If you're trying to show off bass, War of the Worlds (newer one with Tom Cruise) has a scene in the beginning where the space ships first come out of the ground. Be careful though, it might tear your sub to shreds if it's up too loud! Another extremely bass-heavy and overall great sound mix is Hot Fuzz.

Whether you use the Blu-ray version or the DVD, there's a scene in Attack of the Clones (Star Wars) where Obi-Wan is chasing down Boba Fett (Jongo Fett or whatever) through an asteroid belt. It's a very powerful scene that will give your whole setup a good run.

Pretty much any of the Transformer movies or any other superhero blockbuster will have lots of action scenes to play with.

Here's what I was looking for. Reference Audio thread. It's stickied on this forum:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1190265
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post #2770 of 3004
12/28/11 at 10:00pm
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Originally Posted by nick_danger View Post

If you're trying to show off bass, War of the Worlds (newer one with Tom Cruise) has a scene in the beginning where the space ships first come out of the ground. Be careful though, it might tear your sub to shreds if it's up too loud! Another extremely bass-heavy and overall great sound mix is Hot Fuzz.

Whether you use the Blu-ray version or the DVD, there's a scene in Attack of the Clones (Star Wars) where Obi-Wan is chasing down Boba Fett (Jongo Fett or whatever) through an asteroid belt. It's a very powerful scene that will give your whole setup a good run.

Pretty much any of the Transformer movies or any other superhero blockbuster will have lots of action scenes to play with.

Here's what I was looking for. Reference Audio thread. It's stickied on this forum:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1190265

And the HTTYD last few scenes has pretty good bass as well
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post #2771 of 3004
12/28/11 at 11:38pm
Thanks guys. I'll check all of those out! I have a not so little list going of movies recommended form the site. Those are all on it.
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post #2772 of 3004
12/29/11 at 8:51pm
Fast Five (DTS-HD-MA) tier 1

Very average track surprisingly to my ears. Low end was limp for this type of film. Surrounds were good, but nothing special. Dialog was fine. Dynamics were good, not great. Very average track IMO and I was underwhelmed. Tokyo Drift absolutely kills this one as far as mix/audio.
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post #2773 of 3004
12/31/11 at 6:05am
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Originally Posted by Toe View Post

Fast Five (DTS-HD-MA) tier 1

Very average track surprisingly to my ears. Low end was limp for this type of film. Surrounds were good, but nothing special. Dialog was fine. Dynamics were good, not great. Very average track IMO and I was underwhelmed. Tokyo Drift absolutely kills this one as far as mix/audio.

I agree. Very disappointing.
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post #2774 of 3004
12/31/11 at 8:50am
Conan the Barbarian (DTS-HD-MA) Reference

LOVED this audio track! This is my kind of track. Aggressive, dynamic, nothing reserved, no missed sound spots, plenty of WOW factor, HUGE LFE.....this one has it all. Only minor complaint was dialog was a bit thin/brittle at times, but not enough to knock it down considering how awesome it was otherwise.

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Originally Posted by wingnut4772 View Post

I agree. Very disappointing.

It is interesting to me that (IMO at least) the series peaked sound wise with Tokyo Drift and then the last installment was a notch below that and Fast Five is even a notch below the last movie as far as sound goes As ridiculous and over the top as the action was in Fast Five, it needed a audio track to match. When the action is all out, but the sound is somewhat reserved it just doesn't work IMO.
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post #2775 of 3004
12/31/11 at 9:25am
I saw Tokyo Drift once on DVD, but I can't recall what it sounded like, and hated it so much I won't bother to revisit it on BD, however I do agree that among the films at least that stars[and I own] Vin Diesel [1,4,5] the first one sounded best, and loosing steam a bit by each installments.Not the films though, they got more fun IMO.

I thought Conan sounded very good but it's sound design was just average, and the score was severely lacking, which could have helped the overall perception of the track IMO.
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post #2776 of 3004
12/31/11 at 9:54am
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Originally Posted by thehun View Post

I saw Tokyo Drift once on DVD, but I can't recall what it sounded like, and hated it so much I won't bother to revisit it on BD, however I do agree that among the films at least that stars[and I own] Vin Diesel [1,4,5] the first one sounded best, and loosing steam a bit by each installments.Not the films though, they got more fun IMO.

Agreed. The first FF sounded excellent as I remember. I enjoyed the actual film Fast Five. It was totally over the top and ridiculous, but a lot of fun!

Just be happy you dont live at my house. Tokyo Drift was on CONSTANT rotation when my GFs older daughter would come over! She had to show that movie to every new kid that walked through the door! It got old quick!
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post #2777 of 3004
12/31/11 at 4:13pm
Harry Potter: Deathly Hallows Part 2.......DTS-MA 5.1 .......Reference

LOVED this track which had everything an audio enthusiast could want, great LFE throughout, clear dialogue and excellent surround usage with plenty of scenes that used all speakers.

A good ending to the Harry Potter movies as well.
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post #2778 of 3004
1/5/12 at 3:38pm
Cowboys and Aliens (DTS-HD-MA) tier 0

Solid tier 0 mix IMO. Good surround use, good LFE use, dialog was fine, good dynamics. No complaints, but nothing really stood out and "wowed" me either.
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post #2779 of 3004
1/13/12 at 8:59am
Captain America (DTS-HD-MA 7.1) tier 1

Track was great at times, but a bit subdued at times as well. Dialog was a bit low in the mix. LFE was great for the most part, but a few missed spots. Just felt a bit uneven to me, but in general it sounded very good. Probably did not help that I watched Cloverfield right before, but at the same time it really put this track into perspective listening to a hands down reference track right before.
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post #2780 of 3004
1/14/12 at 8:46pm
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Originally Posted by Toe View Post


If anyone is looking for a LFE fix, Super Hybrid should do the trick! This movie is loaded with it and is some fun audio in general. Dont shoot me though if you dont like the movie! Slightly front heavy at times, but at other times the surround use is fantastic. Overall it makes it into tier 0 in my book. Fun audio!

Super Hybrid (TrueHD) tier 0

Finally saw this. Good call on this one. The LFE really makes the audio track for this B-ish movie. Kind of a ridiculous plot but pretty well executed and the audio made this seem like much more of a valid movie. VERY fun audio and the lfe was used great for car effects and mood rumble - which I always like.

Super Hybrid TrueHD Tier 0
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post #2781 of 3004
1/15/12 at 7:05am
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Originally Posted by GoCaboNow View Post

Finally saw this. Good call on this one. The LFE really makes the audio track for this B-ish movie. Kind of a ridiculous plot but pretty well executed and the audio made this seem like much more of a valid movie. VERY fun audio and the lfe was used great for car effects and mood rumble - which I always like.

Super Hybrid TrueHD Tier 0

Cool! Glad you enjoyed it I love it when a track that you were not expecting much from turns out to be great!
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post #2782 of 3004
1/17/12 at 8:22am
FYI Guy's,
I noticed this was discussed earlier, But the HD digests review of Drive sounds like a major Winner!

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/6132/drive.html
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post #2783 of 3004
1/18/12 at 4:31am
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Originally Posted by HeffeMusic View Post

FYI Guy's,
I noticed this was discussed earlier, But the HD digests review of Drive sounds like a major Winner!

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/6132/drive.html

It is indeed and for my money, the best sounding movie of last year right above TF3.
However I do not want to "hype" anybody up here into thinking it is a sonic powerhouse with all the whiz-bang effects on the level of say Transformers...
Drive's mix and especially sound design is a perfect text-book example of dynamic contrast,silence and DETAIL.
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post #2784 of 3004
1/31/12 at 4:23pm
Real Steel (DTS-MA), Reference

Loved this track. Can't think of much I'd have changed about it. Perhaps a touch lower LFE in spots and some dialog touch up in one small scene. Neither of which is enough for me to not consider the action scenes demo worthy. Also notable is how nice the dialog sounds throughout, with the exception of the aforementioned scene (Kingpin character's voice sounds off).
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post #2785 of 3004
2/1/12 at 4:15pm
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Originally Posted by Toe View Post

Super 8 (TrueHD 7.1) tier 0

This was a pretty high tier 0 for me. The only real complaints I had which were minor are the track seemed a bit front heavy at times (especially in non action type scenes), and the upper end was a bit harsh for me on occasion which I rarely find. Otherwise, I thought the dynamics were excellent, LFE use was fantastic (not quite as deep as some tracks, but deep enough), dialog was good and there were some great demo caliber type scenes the best of which was the train wreck! Great track overall IMO.

We just watched this last night. Like you said, the upper end was a bit harsh (my wife had major issues with it) but I thought it was amazing! The train wreck was intense. The track on this one really enhanced the movie. This is probably my favorite track I've heard yet.

You might need to turn the volume down a bit from what you normally watch on this one because of the high end though.

Super 8 - Reference
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post #2786 of 3004
2/2/12 at 7:36am
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Originally Posted by sb1 View Post

Real Steel (DTS-MA), Reference

Loved this track. Can't think of much I'd have changed about it. Perhaps a touch lower LFE in spots and some dialog touch up in one small scene. Neither of which is enough for me to not consider the action scenes demo worthy. Also notable is how nice the dialog sounds throughout, with the exception of the aforementioned scene (Kingpin character's voice sounds off).

Agreed! Watched this last week and the only complaints I could find is maybe a touch more extension would have been great, but that is it. Good enough for a reference vote for me as well and overall this is one excellent track! Loved the 2 main arena battles!

Real Steel (DTS-MA) Reference

Drive (DTS-HD-MA) tier 1

This was a great track from the viewpoint of telling the story and supporting the actual on screen elements, but for purposes of this thread is tier 1 at best from my perspective. Nothing technically wrong with the mix as LFE hit in the right places, good surround work, dialog good, etc.......but there was nothing memorable about this mix for me, and certainly nothing "demo" worthy. The star of the show here from a technical perspective was the PQ/cinematography IMO.

The Tree of Life (DTS-HD-MA 7.1) tier 0

This was one excellent track. Not your typical tier 0 track, but it belongs here to my ears. When this one comes to life, it really packs a sonic punch with excellent dynamics, great LFE use, awesome surrounds.

On a side note, this movie and "The Art of Flight" are 2 of the most impressive PQ/cinematography discs I have seen on blu. Watched both of these last week and was blown away by the visuals in both!


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Originally Posted by Ruppgu View Post

We just watched this last night. Like you said, the upper end was a bit harsh (my wife had major issues with it) but I thought it was amazing! The train wreck was intense. The track on this one really enhanced the movie. This is probably my favorite track I've heard yet.

You might need to turn the volume down a bit from what you normally watch on this one because of the high end though.

Super 8 - Reference

It was a fun track
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post #2787 of 3004
2/7/12 at 7:29am
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Agreed! Watched this last week and the only complaints I could find is maybe a touch more extension would have been great, but that is it. Good enough for a reference vote for me as well and overall this is one excellent track! Loved the 2 main arena battles!

Real Steel (DTS-MA) Reference

Drive (DTS-HD-MA) tier 1

This was a great track from the viewpoint of telling the story and supporting the actual on screen elements, but for purposes of this thread is tier 1 at best from my perspective. Nothing technically wrong with the mix as LFE hit in the right places, good surround work, dialog good, etc.......but there was nothing memorable about this mix for me, and certainly nothing "demo" worthy. The star of the show here from a technical perspective was the PQ/cinematography IMO.

The Tree of Life (DTS-HD-MA 7.1) tier 0

This was one excellent track. Not your typical tier 0 track, but it belongs here to my ears. When this one comes to life, it really packs a sonic punch with excellent dynamics, great LFE use, awesome surrounds.

On a side note, this movie and "The Art of Flight" are 2 of the most impressive PQ/cinematography discs I have seen on blu. Watched both of these last week and was blown away by the visuals in both!




It was a fun track

I definitely agree with you 100% in regards to Drive. I was expecting allot more after reading the reviews. Strange Movie?
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post #2788 of 3004
2/7/12 at 7:57am
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Originally Posted by HeffeMusic View Post

I definitely agree with you 100% in regards to Drive. I was expecting allot more after reading the reviews. Strange Movie?

I had mixed feelings on the movie itself, but in general it did not work for me. The main problem I had was the performance by Gosling which I found very unconvincing. Considering how much of the movie was riding on his shoulders, it just did not work for me in general.
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post #2789 of 3004
2/7/12 at 2:16pm
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Originally Posted by toe View Post

i had mixed feelings on the movie itself, but in general it did not work for me. The main problem i had was the performance by gosling which i found very unconvincing. Considering how much of the movie was riding on his shoulders, it just did not work for me in general.

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post #2790 of 3004
2/7/12 at 2:19pm
Real Steel (DTS-MA) Reference


Really enjoyed the film, sure it was all a rehashed plot line etc but it worked for me.
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