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post #31 of 65
Guess one might ask Astro Design if it could add HDMI to its 4K server/player perhaps even to its 56" CMO panel LCD, in addition to its 4 x HD-SDI input. These high end products are handbuild, build to order/small series products, almost custon anyway, so in Wolfgang's league vendors like this might provide a solution. These folks did/do a lot of 8K processing and 8K to 4K/2K downconversion development for the Super HiVision/UHDTV project.
post #32 of 65
Thread Starter 
no thanks.

i will not pay for a 56" 4k pannel almost the same a sony
4k pr.with 10000 lumen costs
post #33 of 65
Yeah the LCD is still a tad expensive, when it entered production Astro told me at IBC it was 30K, the year before, still in pre-production phase, the rep. told me it would be 40K.

Not sure what Astro would charge for a 4K player/processor/server, but since it is a more or less custom build product, it might be customised with an HDMI output. Of course pricing would make this an option only if you are desperate for a single cable 4K source.
post #34 of 65
OK have to ask: are their any trade shows or similar in the UK where I can see one of these machines in operation?
post #35 of 65
Amsterdam ISE early February, June or July Cinema Expo, September IBC (if Sony returns), all in the same venue. Perhaps Sony is doing roadshows that show the new beamers, in the UK.
post #36 of 65
ISE Europe looks like the best bet for my intrigue. Thanks!
post #37 of 65
Sony is doing roadshows replacing its 2009 IBC presence, but those events are geared towards production exquipment.
post #38 of 65
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Originally Posted by W.Mayer View Post

no thanks.

i will not pay for a 56" 4k pannel almost the same a sony
4k pr.with 10000 lumen costs


Any-one up to date on 4K LCD pricing, product availability and development?

Looks like the Frontniche (by Vutrix) version of the 56"CMO panel is scratched from the product line-up, now it has switched from representing/selling Vutrix to a Spanish manufacturer. Vutrix doesn't seem to list it anymore either.

However both Eizo and JVC seem to have joined Astro, Barco and Westinghouse in offering a 56" 4K LCD monitor.
post #39 of 65
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Originally Posted by donaldk View Post

Amsterdam ISE early February, June or July Cinema Expo, September IBC (if Sony returns), all in the same venue. Perhaps Sony is doing roadshows that show the new beamers, in the UK.

Sofar I have only received one free registration code from one vendor/exhibitor. If you decide to attend and need an exhibitor code for free registration, I could dig out the email.
post #40 of 65
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Originally Posted by donaldk View Post

Any-one up to date on 4K LCD pricing, product availability and development?

Only soon available product announcements I've seen;
56-inch quad-HD Sony LCD HDTV announced for Japan at 6,825,000 yen, the equivalent of US$76583, it's a bargain,

and the World's Smartest 2160p Toshiba Cell TV On Sale Soon, "As for the pricing, "fairly expensive" Oosumi said" is probably a bargain too.
(Edit: Some websites claim the Toshiba will cost ¥1,000,000 — more than $11,000, which is very far under the Sony 4K TV price. Can this be right)

It will be interesting to see at what pricepoint Epson introduces their 4K LCD projector.
post #41 of 65
Initially Westinghouse announced it would be what only 20K USD, or was it even less, anyway relatively cheap. This was what 2006, it didn't arrive till more than a year later, and at a higher price. The Astro would be 30K (Euro?), probably excluding VAT and perhaps delivery from Japan(?), I was told just over two years ago. So the Sony pricing is completely out of whack, if you can buy a handbuild broadcast grade unit from a sepcialist like Astro Design for about half the price. Since then Barco, Eizo, and JVC have announced/shown a version of the 56" 4K screen.
post #42 of 65
This is from a discussion on the DVD movie forum:

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Originally Posted by jbug View Post

Ok, I'll do that. The Muvico Theater in Rosemont, IL is about 4 years old, so it's definitely on the new side of new. They boast that they have the only 4K theater in this state. They have other locations in Florida and recently sold one of their theaters to another chain.

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Originally Posted by mumbles3k View Post

Muvico Rosemont does indeed have 4K projectors. However, I've been told that Sony 4K projectors which are equipped for 3D are only capable of running content at 2K, regardless of whether that content is 2D or 3D. I don't quite understand this, but I've heard it from two different people. Maybe someone a bit more technically astute can shed some light on this matter?

I was wondering if anyone can validate this and possibly explain why it only displays 2K for 2D? I'm guessing they're using the SRX R220.
post #43 of 65
The projector might only be showing 2k for 2D because the theater is too lazy or incapable of switching out the 3d lens for the 2D lens. The 2D lens is a typical lens like you are used too. The Sony projector is not capable of showing the 3D image in full 4k. So what they do for 3D is not use the entire 4k chip and instead make two 2k images in opposite corners of the chip. The lens is actually two lenses for the separate images. The lens is bolted on to the projector, there is not a quick change mechanism like Christie and Barco have.
post #44 of 65
Thanks Jim.
post #45 of 65
This is how Sony does 3D; 2x2K.


http://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/mkt-dig...cinema3d.shtml

Will they ever be able to do 4K 3D with SXRD panels is the big question?
post #46 of 65
Thanks coolscan.

I was more concerned with a reason for them not projecting a 4K image with 2D material.

I read that Sony doesn't want to use triple flash because it presents artifacts. Don't know if it's true. But that would mean they'd have to use an 8K machine to get 4K 3D.
post #47 of 65
Or just 2 units.
post #48 of 65
They should use two units because only using a quarter of the chip on top of the other light losses of 3D make it very dim.
post #49 of 65
Jim
Isn´t left and right eye projected simultaneously and thus Sony is using only about half of the panel in addition to other losses? That is bad enough.
post #50 of 65
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Originally Posted by Ohlson View Post

Jim
Isn´t left and right eye projected simultaneously and thus Sony is using only about half of the panel in addition to other losses? That is bad enough.

They are only using a quarter of it a a time. L and R eyes are flashed separately
post #51 of 65
Well, with Sony D-Cinema projectors, in 3D both frames are presented at the same time by dividing the SXRD imager in two parts, and then a special over/under lens assembly magnifies and stacks the two frames so that, once they pass through a circular polarizazion filters, they are overlayed on screen. There is another interesting fact: Scope (2048x858) content is actually scaled to 1080p, this allows 3D Scope and Flat material to be presented without changes in zoom ratio, and obviously puts out more light.
post #52 of 65
....so another fine feature is no Dolby 3D
post #53 of 65
The new SRX-R320 Projection System, LMT-300 Media Block and Theatre Management System Gives European Exhibitors Unprecedented Flexibility

http://www.dcinematoday.com/dc/pr.aspx?newsID=1650
post #54 of 65
Quote:


Using Sony’s 3D dual lens adaptor, the SRX-R320 projector can deliver crisp 3D images on screens up to 15 meters (50 feet, constant height / side-masked screen) in width at 4.5 ft-L brightness.

So, the brightness "standard" for 3D is now 4.5 ft-L.

Yuk, you'll need not only shutter glasses, but light-amplifier ones too!
post #55 of 65
Thread Starter 
4.5ft-l in 3d is not good but most cinemas have less than that!
till 3 ft-l i hear

i know a cinema in germany that use 2 dlp cinema pr. like imax with
medium sice cinemasscreens like 13-15 meter and there you get a bright 3d picture in the over 12 ft-l range
post #56 of 65
Anyone here have experience with RealD XL? I'm going to watch Avatar for the sixth time today and I was wondering how many ft.l the increase in light achieves. I've seen it in 15/70mm IMAX 3D which wasn't too dim, 2D which was fine, and regular RealD which ranged in brightness depending on the theater. The theater I'm going to today uses a Barco DP 1500 or 2000 I'm guessing(installed last year before the 2009 NBA all-star game) and RealD XL. From what I've read, it's a light doubler. This will be my first Barco experience and I'm very excited.
post #57 of 65
Ok, saw it tonight in RealD XL and the image was brighter than regular RealD, but not as bright as 35mm 2D. The Barco projector they used wasn't any sharper than the Christies I've seen it on so many times, but had better colours. They just seemed to have more pop, but never appeared fake, or oversaturated. We need 4K for 3D damn it! Hurry up TI!!
post #58 of 65
Thread Starter 
again a big deal for sony and ther new 4k pr.

http://www.dcinematoday.com/dc/pr.aspx?newsID=1729

i saw the units in 3D and they looks very good.

seams the new 4k are a big improvment....
post #59 of 65
Wow Sony is slowly penetrating the market. How do you tell what theaters have this projector. Id like to go check it out.
post #60 of 65
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Originally Posted by Alan Gouger View Post

Wow Sony is slowly penetrating the market. How do you tell what theaters have this projector. Id like to go check it out.

Theaters With Sony Digital Cinema 4K

http://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/mkt-dig...tionsAll.shtml
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