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post #1 of 64
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Warner to Re-release Goodfellas for 20th Anniversary

Posted October 26, 2009 08:01 AM by Josh Dreuth

Warner Bros. Warner Home Video has announced that they will bring 'Goodfellas: 20th Anniversary Edition' to Blu-ray on February 16th as a digibook release. Originally released in 2007, this re-release will hopefully add a lossless soundtrack and fix the video error found in the previous release. Technical specs have not been announced at this time.

The digibook will feature 34 pages of film facts and pictures. Extras for this release include:

* Commentary with Martin Scorsese
* Commentary with ex-gangster Henry Hill and ex-FBI agent Edward McDonald
* Public Enemies: The Golden Age of the Gangster Film
* Cast and crew documentaries
* Trailers
* Four Warner Bros. mob-themed cartoons
post #2 of 64
The movie may be GoodFellas but Warner is and will always be in my BadFellas book.
post #3 of 64
Ugh. Are they going to do version 2.0 of every movies, that's horrible...wait no it's not, because of how piss-poor some of these are. Fingers crossed for a proper version of Speed Racer and the rest of the extras for TDK that they're hiding underneath the studio.

If the picture is better I will rebuy.
And what video error is there?
post #4 of 64
Awesome news. This is one of my must-have flicks on Blu that I passed on because of the tepid reviews of the transfer. Waiting for quality might be paying off.

Now where's the re-release news on Gladiator?
post #5 of 64
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Originally Posted by shadowrage View Post

And what video error is there?

I'm going to assume he's referring to the scratch down the middle of the film element at 1 hr. 16 min. That's inherent to the movie. I believe that the original negative was scratched during the shoot, but Scorsese decided to use the shot anyway because he liked the performances in that take best.

That sort of thing could be digitally painted out today, of course. The questions are whether Warner would want to do that, and whether Scorsese and Thelma Schoonmaker would let them. Both Scorsese and Schoonmaker (who oversees all of the video transfers of his movies) have a non-revisionist stance toward changing things, even flaws, in their older movies.
post #6 of 64
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Both Scorsese and Schoonmaker (who oversees all of the video transfers of his movies) have a non-revisionist stance toward changing things, even flaws, in their older movies.

I'm not sure this is completely accurate. Glenn Kenny interviewed Schoonmaker for an article in Popular Mechanics a few months ago where he explains how Schoonmaker agreed to change the colors of the pool tables from blue to green in The Color of Money. She struggled with the ethics of it, but eventually gave in. Here's the link:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/tech...96.html?page=1

Also, the article indicates that neither Scorsese or Schoonmaker had any oversight on the Gangs of New York Blu-ray

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But as glorious as HD film restorations can be, they can also be disastrous. Scorsese’s The Color of Money is arguably an improved product over even its theatrical release, because it was remastered with care and attention. But the Blu-ray of Gangs of New York, produced without the participation of Scorsese or Schoonmaker, is a sloppy mess. In the opening scene, as Liam Neeson’s gang marches through its underground headquarters preparing for a turf war, the flames of the torches and candles illuminating the scene look like cartoons. Skin tones are often orange, and the visuals are made all the more surreal by edge-enhancement techniques that give the characters full-body halos.
post #7 of 64
Sweet! I love Goodfellas and I never picked up the BD cause it was a pretty lame upgrade from my SE dvd. I actually DO hope that Warner rereleases some of their older BD's cause I skipped a lot of them because of the lack of lossless and low quality Mpeg2 encodes.
post #8 of 64
If it's a new transfer I'll buy.

Nothing worse than double-dips that don't improve anything.
post #9 of 64
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Originally Posted by paku View Post

If it's a new transfer I'll buy.

Nothing worse than double-dips that don't improve anything.

Lossless audio would be a definite improvement. And as far as I'm concerned digibooks are always an improvement over regular blue cases
post #10 of 64
I'll be surprised if this is a new transfer, or new encode for that matter. I could see them adding a lossless track, however, I'm not sure if that's enough for me to upgrade or not as I don't think the difference would be that much for this kind of movie. If there are any improvements in video, I will re-purchase.
post #11 of 64
If they add lossless then maybe. There is a lot of music in this film and that would make it worth something to me.
post #12 of 64
Don't have it on blu and will be glad to pick it up, however not a day one buy. I would wait until it is $16 like some of the current Digibooks.
post #13 of 64
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Originally Posted by lgans316 View Post

The movie may be GoodFellas but Warner is and will always be in my BadFellas book.

LOL!
WB, my favorite studio, strikes again.
Is anyone truly surprised?
post #14 of 64
How about we wait until the disk is released until we accuse WB of "striking again"?
post #15 of 64
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Originally Posted by Kyle_D View Post

I'm not sure this is completely accurate. Glenn Kenny interviewed Schoonmaker for an article in Popular Mechanics a few months ago where he explains how Schoonmaker agreed to change the colors of the pool tables from blue to green in The Color of Money. She struggled with the ethics of it, but eventually gave in. Here's the link:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/tech...96.html?page=1

Also, the article indicates that neither Scorsese or Schoonmaker had any oversight on the Gangs of New York Blu-ray

That is very odd, because she was interviewed on NPR around the same time and told the same story, except explicitly said that she decided not to change the color of the pool tables. It was her feeling that the movie was what the movie was, flaws and all, and it was not her place to change it after-the-fact just because she could.

In fact, I'm looking at the Popular Mechanics article, and it doesn't really say what her final decision was:

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Last summer, Schoonmaker was at New York's Technicolor Creative Services staring at those blue pool tables again. When the film was first made, there was no fix for the problem, but thanks to digital technology, she could now correct it easily. All we had to do was open digital windows on the pool tables and fill them in with green, without affecting the rest of the shot, Schoonmaker explains. Why was a multiple-Oscar-winning editor concerned with color correction on a 20-year-old movie? Because, like many classics from Hollywood's archives, The Color of Money is about to be reborn.

It says that she "could" now correct it.

Later on it does say:

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Lowry is a master of the digital magic that Thelma Schoonmaker used to change those blue pool tables in The Color of Money to green.

But I have a feeling that the author of the article may have misinterpreted what she said.

I guess we won't know until it hits Blu-ray.
post #16 of 64
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

That is very odd, because she was interviewed on NPR around the same time and told the same story, except explicitly said that she decided not to change the color of the pool tables. It was her feeling that the movie was what the movie was, flaws and all, and it was not her place to change it after-the-fact just because she could.

I remember this too. She definitively said she chose not to fix the color.
post #17 of 64
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Originally Posted by IanRW View Post

How about we wait until the disk is released until we accuse WB of "striking again"?

"Strikes again" refers to the double-dipping strategy WB employs.
See my sig.
post #18 of 64
This thing better have a new video encode. The original release has one of the worst on the format IMO, lots of banding and poor handling of grain.
post #19 of 64
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

Both Scorsese and Schoonmaker (who oversees all of the video transfers of his movies) have a non-revisionist stance toward changing things, even flaws, in their older movies.

Yet they continue to let BVHE butcher Gangs of New York. Mind boggling, isn't it?
post #20 of 64
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Originally Posted by Paul Arnette View Post

Yet they continue to let BVHE butcher Gangs of New York. Mind boggling, isn't it?

That must refer to Blu-Ray/DVDs they had a hand in - GONY they had no hand in so we must hope for a new release with the edge-enhancement removed.
post #21 of 64
My HD DVD will be just fine...
post #22 of 64
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Originally Posted by joeblow View Post

Awesome news. This is one of my must-have flicks on Blu that I passed on because of the tepid reviews of the transfer. Waiting for quality might be paying off.

Now where's the re-release news on Gladiator?

100% agree with all of this post
post #23 of 64
Great. DVD, HD-DVD, Blu-ray and now blu-ray again. I will bite because this is a great film.
post #24 of 64
The pics of the package that popped up today show the exact same disc as in the original release.. There is a 2nd disc with the "new" extra.. If they did a re-encode, why not combine the discs. I have a feeling this is a repackage of the first release.. "All this has happened before, and all this will happen again."

post #25 of 64
well if they don't even include lossless that is a total joke.
Warner is still the best studio hands down.
At least they actually release their older classics.
post #26 of 64
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Originally Posted by Favelle View Post

My HD DVD will be just fine...

Yep. Nothing to see here.
post #27 of 64
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Originally Posted by 16x9enhanced View Post

Warner is still the best studio hands down.

I guess we have very different definitions of what the best is. Warner is definately the worst studio hands down in my opinion.
post #28 of 64
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Originally Posted by AlexBC View Post

I guess we have very different definitions of what the best is. Warner is definately the worst studio hands down in my opinion.

Warner is the worst studio and will continue to remain worst.
post #29 of 64
Such negativism. The title was just announced and people can't help but use it as an excuse to rant against WB. If it's the same disc in a new package, who cares - that just means there's no reason to upgrade and you won't feel "double-dipped." If it's a better release, hey WB fixed a previous mistake. But no, people will either complain that it's a double-dip, or complain that the mistake wasn't fixed. Sure, it would have been nice if this had been done right the first time, but that is years in the past and I don't see what griping about it now will change.

And while I know this board is fixated on hating WB, I really can't see how they're even close to the worst studio. They had some lossless audio problems a year or so back, but that has been fixed. And while people complain about DNRing, yes there are some legitimate problems but it is much less severe than some of the catalogue titles coming out of other studios. Really only Sony and Criterion seems to be immune from DNR problems, but that seems to be forgotten whenever a WB thread comes up. I'd gladly take a WB lightly-filtered release than the full-on smear jobs that Paramount seems to issue every so often, and Disney and Universal have had their fair share of messy releases as well. Not to even mention that WB has done the single BEST job in terms of getting catalogue titles to market, especially older classics.

So it'd be nice if the unbridled hate parade stopped. Yes, WB still has issues - and yes, they are worth discussing when they pop up. But can we wait until they actually do?
post #30 of 64
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Originally Posted by 16x9enhanced View Post

Warner is still the best studio hands down.

i have yet to see a blu ray movie that is of the overall quality of the 5 disc blade runner set. that set the bar for what i feel blu ray releases should be.

just for that, warner gets a pass from me
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