Paradigm Sub 1 and Sub 2 - Page 5

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thank you for the advice i will talk to electrician who is a family friend

Great Advice! The cost of a 240 line is peanuts compared to the price of the subs in question. I also think you could expect spectacular performance on a 120 line. Since you are moving into a house in a year, that's what I would do.

I ran the 240V line myself in my house. It was very easy. Now all I need is something to plug into it. Still waiting on my Sub 2 which will be here in 2 weeks. I guess the way I look at it is I would rather they get the product right than rush it to market.

man your so lucky getting the sub2, I need to see one if it is fesable to get one for the condo. I know the sub 25 fits perfectly no problems but the dimensions are crazy on the sub2.

I have to find out monday from paradigm to see where i can demo one. So far I called 3 places that have the sub25 and they dont have the sub2.

How much was it to get the 240v line in your house?

Ran the line myself so very little cost except the wire. It is easy and could help you if need be with advice. In terms of the sub I could also really help you with a good deal on sub 25 or sub 2 but we will need a way to get in touch and talk off line for this one but trust me it would be worth it. I have a great dealer that does some great things for me.

The customer service people for paradigm have no idea what stores will or have the sub2 for listening.

They were no help at all, i now have to wait for them to call me back with that information.

It's a new item. You don't really need to bother auditioning it anyway- here is what it sounds like:

For anyone near the Phoenix area I am offering listening sessions. Full Signature system: S8's, ADP3's, C5, Sub 2, D2V, P5, A2. Would need to purchase through my dealer Hi Fi Sales here in Phoenix.

look how huge the 10inch drivers are
http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgur...%3D21%26um%3D1

Any recommendation on where to buy a Sub 1 at a good price? I live near Houston, TX.

Sub 2 quick facts:

Theoretically, the Sub 2 could handle two of the 3000W amplifiers that Paradigm has developed for it.
Paradigm states that the Sub 2’s output integrates quite easily with those of small satellite speakers.
Each Sub 2 driver has a ten-layer voice-coil.
Paradigm’s Perfect Bass Kit (PBK) comes standard with the Sub 2.
At 289 pounds, the Sub 2 is the heaviest product Paradigm has ever made.

I wont be getting the sub2 it cost in canadian funds $8'800 plus tax for piano black even with a hook up way too much $$$$$

I asked why is the sub25 the same price in US funds and Canadian funds he had no answer $3999

Sub 25 here i come in US funds the sub2 is $7'500 for cherry and piano blk is $7'900

Retail prices for the cherry and piano-black versions are $8,299 and $8,799 canadian funds.... I could get 3 or 4 submersives for that price. or 3 sub 25's at the price i would get it for.

The catalogs for the Paradigm Reference Signature Series have been updated to include the SUB 1 and SUB 2 (martini glass included). Check out the illustrations of the improved excursion of the Non-Limiting Corrugated (NLC) surrounds.

http://www.paradigm.com/en/pdf/Signa...alog_v3_PF.pdf

If the NLC surrounds offer greater excursion, why were they not used on the SUB 2 like they are on the SUB 1? I don't want to buy the first version of the SUB 2 if it is going to quickly be followed by an improved version that includes NLC surrounds. Has anyone had the opportunity to ask Paradigm about this obvious difference?

Ill give you US price in Canadian Funds no problem @@

It says why they did not use (NLC) with the sub 2 on page 31.

If you do the math on the diameter of the drivers - 6 x 10" + excursion (which is likely over estimated), and understand the basics of how much output one single sub 2 constructed with this type of design, the chances of you ever needing more output then the Sub 2 will deliver is highly unlikely.

Now if you had a room the size of mine - this may possibly be something to be concerned about, as I, with my well known "Love of the BASS !!" would be curious as to whether 2 of the Sub 2's would suffice for my needs.


I'm sorry, page 31?
I'm not seeing that, maybe you could quote it here...

"RCR" Resonance Control Ribs (NLC)" surround technology was not required in the Sub 2 since the six 10" drivers already allow for larger surrounds. The cones resonance control ribbing simply reinforces the new VC design architecture. As in SUB 1 cone excursion on each driver is extreme"

what happen to the sig in walls? the are not in that catalog

You don't expect me or anyone else here to be reasonable do you? I'm already wishing Paradigm would create the "SUB 3" using six of the SUB 25 High-Excursion Drivers with 3 inches of peak-to-peak excursion, but it would probably be antisocial and immature to need something like that. I already have some stickers to put on mine if I get one:



There's no replacement for displacement.

OMG just imagine it would reck the foundation of your home

After the "SUB 3" Paradigm could develop the "Schallkanone 25" named after the Nazi anti-personnel weapon designed to kill infantry with waves of sound. There's probably a market for such a sub — but it's bound to be very small.

Ya know - nothing is stopping you from designing and building this design yourself.... TC-Sounds makes drivers that are every bit as capable if not outperforming any and all the Paradigm drivers, and you are not limited to an onboard amp.... You could build one for 1/3 the price of a Sub2 Id be willing to bet.

Or you could even choose a handful of JL 12 or 13w7's

I think it would be freakin cool....

There is a guy in the DIY section that has a thread that is building 4 Dual Opposed 18" LMS's with 2 - 14000w amps.... 7000w per channel

1 of those will likely outperform a Sub 2 for a fraction of the cost, and he's building 4 of them...

are those the Ultras? they run $1600 each

u have a link to the thread?

Yes.... 18" LMS-Ultras Dual opposed like the Seaton Submersive.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1175273
Each of 4 subs will have 7000w powering 2 drivers. Thats 8 x 18" LMS's They could handle 10000w per pair, but I think he'll be just fine - LOL


BTW, I didn't pay retail - and neither did he for the LMS's, MINE will show up on MONDAY !!! YAY

I will buy a SUB 2 before I build my own. That is my choice, and it's my money. I’m still an enthusiast at heart, and owning a SUB 2 will be a personal satisfaction that is not about showing off. The DIY subs you linked to are impressive but are too big for me; I agree with Paradigm when they state:


As with Southern California car culture, there are many examples in our home theatre subculture of DIY creations that are excessive and impractical. Personally I tend toward being an audio gear snob; I enjoy studying and comparing commercial products and debating the merits of each in these forums. Building one by myself would be a chore, and I don’t have the tools or the skills to make it enjoyable. I concede the SUB 2 is not really “the best subwoofer in the world, period.” as Paradigm states in their literature, but I still want to own one.

Can't argue with ya there, and yes that dual opposed is even too big for my huge room for me... All my subs are sealed 24" cubes with the LMS's.

As always I like to point out the ability for people to save money and still match or exceed performance of commercial... With that said, if money was no object, I would likely have 2-3 of those Sub2's for my house. they are an elegant solution which unfortunately must come at a price...

I will argue the DIY subs are not a way to save money, but are a way to move beyond the capabilities of commercial products. The SUB 2 will output 126dB at 60Hz, which your neighbors will definitely hear in an urban environment. If a DIY solution plays louder than that, you are certain to violate city noise bylaws and annoy your neighbors. Using a subwoofer with that kind of power would require a dedicated theatre with soundproofing if you enjoy watching movies late at night, and you don’t want the police knocking on your door because of noise complaints. If the police caught you with those huge DIY speaker cabinets, it would be difficult to deny you had the volume too loud. I can’t imagine using a subwoofer larger than the SUB 2 unless it is part of a large dedicated theatre, which implies a construction cost far greater than the cost of the sub itself.

With all respect to the DIY crowd..... not everyone is looking for a new hobby (sub building). For some of us, the time lost building is more valuable than the money saved.

+1

Well said... I'm not nearly handy enough to build my own sub, nor am I interested in doing so. I'd rather give my money to the folks who design and build subs for a living. I can find better things to do with my spare time.

Getting back on topic, that Sub 2 looks like quite the BEAST, and gorgeous too...