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post #121 of 1510
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Originally Posted by whasaaaab View Post


So i should not use the same plug my fridge is plugged in then?

nope
post #122 of 1510
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Originally Posted by osofast240sx View Post

nope

thank you for the advice i will talk to electrician who is a family friend
post #123 of 1510
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Originally Posted by osofast240sx View Post

your a brave one a sub 2 or sub25 in a condo when will you crank it to the max? my advice to you is either hire an electrican to run a 240v line to were your going to place your sub or just live with the 120v(you probally wont put it to the max running on 120v let alone 240v)


But if im wrong hire the electrician.

Great Advice! The cost of a 240 line is peanuts compared to the price of the subs in question. I also think you could expect spectacular performance on a 120 line. Since you are moving into a house in a year, that's what I would do.
post #124 of 1510
I ran the 240V line myself in my house. It was very easy. Now all I need is something to plug into it. Still waiting on my Sub 2 which will be here in 2 weeks. I guess the way I look at it is I would rather they get the product right than rush it to market.
post #125 of 1510
man your so lucky getting the sub2, I need to see one if it is fesable to get one for the condo. I know the sub 25 fits perfectly no problems but the dimensions are crazy on the sub2.

I have to find out monday from paradigm to see where i can demo one. So far I called 3 places that have the sub25 and they dont have the sub2.

How much was it to get the 240v line in your house?
post #126 of 1510
Ran the line myself so very little cost except the wire. It is easy and could help you if need be with advice. In terms of the sub I could also really help you with a good deal on sub 25 or sub 2 but we will need a way to get in touch and talk off line for this one but trust me it would be worth it. I have a great dealer that does some great things for me.
post #127 of 1510
The customer service people for paradigm have no idea what stores will or have the sub2 for listening.

They were no help at all, i now have to wait for them to call me back with that information.
post #128 of 1510
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Originally Posted by whasaaaab View Post

The customer service people for paradigm have no idea what stores will or have the sub2 for listening...


It's a new item. You don't really need to bother auditioning it anyway- here is what it sounds like:

post #129 of 1510
For anyone near the Phoenix area I am offering listening sessions. Full Signature system: S8's, ADP3's, C5, Sub 2, D2V, P5, A2. Would need to purchase through my dealer Hi Fi Sales here in Phoenix.
post #130 of 1510
look how huge the 10inch drivers are
http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgur...%3D21%26um%3D1
post #131 of 1510
Any recommendation on where to buy a Sub 1 at a good price? I live near Houston, TX.
post #132 of 1510
Sub 2 quick facts:

Theoretically, the Sub 2 could handle two of the 3000W amplifiers that Paradigm has developed for it.
Paradigm states that the Sub 2’s output integrates quite easily with those of small satellite speakers.
Each Sub 2 driver has a ten-layer voice-coil.
Paradigm’s Perfect Bass Kit (PBK) comes standard with the Sub 2.
At 289 pounds, the Sub 2 is the heaviest product Paradigm has ever made.
post #133 of 1510
I wont be getting the sub2 it cost in canadian funds $8'800 plus tax for piano black even with a hook up way too much $$$$$

I asked why is the sub25 the same price in US funds and Canadian funds he had no answer $3999

Sub 25 here i come in US funds the sub2 is $7'500 for cherry and piano blk is $7'900

Retail prices for the cherry and piano-black versions are $8,299 and $8,799 canadian funds.... I could get 3 or 4 submersives for that price. or 3 sub 25's at the price i would get it for.
post #134 of 1510
The catalogs for the Paradigm Reference Signature Series have been updated to include the SUB 1 and SUB 2 (martini glass included). Check out the illustrations of the improved excursion of the Non-Limiting Corrugated (NLC) surrounds.

http://www.paradigm.com/en/pdf/Signa...alog_v3_PF.pdf

If the NLC surrounds offer greater excursion, why were they not used on the SUB 2 like they are on the SUB 1? I don't want to buy the first version of the SUB 2 if it is going to quickly be followed by an improved version that includes NLC surrounds. Has anyone had the opportunity to ask Paradigm about this obvious difference?
post #135 of 1510
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Originally Posted by whasaaaab View Post

I wont be getting the sub2 it cost in canadian funds $8'800 plus tax for piano black even with a hook up way too much $$$$$

I asked why is the sub25 the same price in US funds and Canadian funds he had no answer $3999

Sub 25 here i come in US funds the sub2 is $7'500 for cherry and piano blk is $7'900

Retail prices for the cherry and piano-black versions are $8,299 and $8,799 canadian funds.... I could get 3 or 4 submersives for that price.

Ill give you US price in Canadian Funds no problem @@
post #136 of 1510
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Originally Posted by mbfleming View Post

The catalogs for the Paradigm Reference Signature Series have been updated to include the SUB 1 and SUB 2 (martini glass included). Check out the illustrations of the improved excursion of the Non-Limiting Corrugated (NLC) surrounds.

http://www.paradigm.com/en/pdf/Signa...alog_v3_PF.pdf

If the NLC surrounds offer greater excursion, why were they not used on the SUB 2 like they are on the SUB 1? I don't want to buy the first version of the SUB 2 if it is going to quickly be followed by an improved version that includes NLC surrounds. Has anyone had the opportunity to ask Paradigm about this obvious difference?

It says why they did not use (NLC) with the sub 2 on page 31.
post #137 of 1510
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Originally Posted by mbfleming View Post

The catalogs for the Paradigm Reference Signature Series have been updated to include the SUB 1 and SUB 2 (martini glass included). Check out the illustrations of the improved excursion of the Non-Limiting Corrugated (NLC) surrounds.

http://www.paradigm.com/en/pdf/Signa...alog_v3_PF.pdf

If the NLC surrounds offer greater excursion, why were they not used on the SUB 2 like they are on the SUB 1? I don't want to buy the first version of the SUB 2 if it is going to quickly be followed by an improved version that includes NLC surrounds. Has anyone had the opportunity to ask Paradigm about this obvious difference?

If you do the math on the diameter of the drivers - 6 x 10" + excursion (which is likely over estimated), and understand the basics of how much output one single sub 2 constructed with this type of design, the chances of you ever needing more output then the Sub 2 will deliver is highly unlikely.

Now if you had a room the size of mine - this may possibly be something to be concerned about, as I, with my well known "Love of the BASS !!" would be curious as to whether 2 of the Sub 2's would suffice for my needs.

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Originally Posted by whasaaaab View Post

It says why they did not use (NLC) with the sub 2 on page 31.

I'm sorry, page 31?
I'm not seeing that, maybe you could quote it here...
post #138 of 1510
"RCR" Resonance Control Ribs (NLC)" surround technology was not required in the Sub 2 since the six 10" drivers already allow for larger surrounds. The cones resonance control ribbing simply reinforces the new VC design architecture. As in SUB 1 cone excursion on each driver is extreme"
post #139 of 1510
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Originally Posted by whasaaaab View Post

It says why they did not use (NLC) with the sub 2 on page 31.

what happen to the sig in walls? the are not in that catalog
post #140 of 1510
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Originally Posted by Warpdrv View Post

the chances of you ever needing more output then the Sub 2 will deliver is highly unlikely.

You don't expect me or anyone else here to be reasonable do you? I'm already wishing Paradigm would create the "SUB 3" using six of the SUB 25 High-Excursion Drivers with 3 inches of peak-to-peak excursion, but it would probably be antisocial and immature to need something like that. I already have some stickers to put on mine if I get one:



There's no replacement for displacement.
post #141 of 1510
OMG just imagine it would reck the foundation of your home
post #142 of 1510
After the "SUB 3" Paradigm could develop the "Schallkanone 25" named after the Nazi anti-personnel weapon designed to kill infantry with waves of sound. There's probably a market for such a sub — but it's bound to be very small.

post #143 of 1510
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Originally Posted by mbfleming View Post

You don't expect me or anyone else here to be reasonable do you? I'm already wishing Paradigm would create the "SUB 3" using six of the SUB 25 High-Excursion Drivers with 3 inches of peak-to-peak excursion, but it would probably be antisocial and immature to need something like that. I already have some stickers to put on mine if I get one:



There's no replacement for displacement.


Ya know - nothing is stopping you from designing and building this design yourself.... TC-Sounds makes drivers that are every bit as capable if not outperforming any and all the Paradigm drivers, and you are not limited to an onboard amp.... You could build one for 1/3 the price of a Sub2 Id be willing to bet.

Or you could even choose a handful of JL 12 or 13w7's

I think it would be freakin cool....

There is a guy in the DIY section that has a thread that is building 4 Dual Opposed 18" LMS's with 2 - 14000w amps.... 7000w per channel

1 of those will likely outperform a Sub 2 for a fraction of the cost, and he's building 4 of them...
post #144 of 1510
are those the Ultras? they run $1600 each

u have a link to the thread?
post #145 of 1510
Yes.... 18" LMS-Ultras Dual opposed like the Seaton Submersive.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1175273
Each of 4 subs will have 7000w powering 2 drivers. Thats 8 x 18" LMS's They could handle 10000w per pair, but I think he'll be just fine - LOL


BTW, I didn't pay retail - and neither did he for the LMS's, MINE will show up on MONDAY !!! YAY
post #146 of 1510
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Originally Posted by Warpdrv View Post

Ya know - nothing is stopping you from designing and building this design yourself...


I will buy a SUB 2 before I build my own. That is my choice, and it's my money. I’m still an enthusiast at heart, and owning a SUB 2 will be a personal satisfaction that is not about showing off. The DIY subs you linked to are impressive but are too big for me; I agree with Paradigm when they state:

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The most difficult task for a new Paradigm Signature subwoofer is not just to play lower AND louder — not to mention cleaner and more articulate — than any other subwoofer in the world, but to do so in a size that won’t dominate the average living room, in a cabinet that could be mistaken for a very fine piece of furniture.

As with Southern California car culture, there are many examples in our home theatre subculture of DIY creations that are excessive and impractical. Personally I tend toward being an audio gear snob; I enjoy studying and comparing commercial products and debating the merits of each in these forums. Building one by myself would be a chore, and I don’t have the tools or the skills to make it enjoyable. I concede the SUB 2 is not really “the best subwoofer in the world, period.” as Paradigm states in their literature, but I still want to own one.
post #147 of 1510
Can't argue with ya there, and yes that dual opposed is even too big for my huge room for me... All my subs are sealed 24" cubes with the LMS's.

As always I like to point out the ability for people to save money and still match or exceed performance of commercial... With that said, if money was no object, I would likely have 2-3 of those Sub2's for my house. they are an elegant solution which unfortunately must come at a price...
post #148 of 1510
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Originally Posted by Warpdrv View Post

I like to point out the ability for people to save money and still match or exceed performance of commercial...

I will argue the DIY subs are not a way to save money, but are a way to move beyond the capabilities of commercial products. The SUB 2 will output 126dB at 60Hz, which your neighbors will definitely hear in an urban environment. If a DIY solution plays louder than that, you are certain to violate city noise bylaws and annoy your neighbors. Using a subwoofer with that kind of power would require a dedicated theatre with soundproofing if you enjoy watching movies late at night, and you don’t want the police knocking on your door because of noise complaints. If the police caught you with those huge DIY speaker cabinets, it would be difficult to deny you had the volume too loud. I can’t imagine using a subwoofer larger than the SUB 2 unless it is part of a large dedicated theatre, which implies a construction cost far greater than the cost of the sub itself.
post #149 of 1510
With all respect to the DIY crowd..... not everyone is looking for a new hobby (sub building). For some of us, the time lost building is more valuable than the money saved.
post #150 of 1510
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Originally Posted by DigsMovies View Post

With all respect to the DIY crowd..... not everyone is looking for a new hobby (sub building). For some of us, the time lost building is more valuable than the money saved.

+1

Well said... I'm not nearly handy enough to build my own sub, nor am I interested in doing so. I'd rather give my money to the folks who design and build subs for a living. I can find better things to do with my spare time.

Getting back on topic, that Sub 2 looks like quite the BEAST, and gorgeous too...
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