Paradigm Sub 1 and Sub 2 - Page 44

PBC is a must then, I have a limited understanding as well.

Hey FSMD, I just ordered my integra about 4 days ago, when did you order yours? I was hoping for it to be here this coming week, but I guess not.

Update: I just called and was told that the processor was available on Tuesday when i placed my order and should be here for this coming Wednesday.

I ordered mine about 10 days ago, my dealer told me last week that he had placed the order but there was a backlog and he told me to expect it to arrive within about two weeks, so I am hoping for next week. Let me know what you think of yours when it arrives!

Does anyone have a Funk Audio sub for the shootout with the Sub 2 and Submersive?

Funk makes numerous subs based on a person's tastes/needs. He mentioned to me a while ago that there is a guy in Niagara that has dual 18" subs that he would have built but not with his new driver.

In any event, a "shootout" that would be remotely meaningful takes about 4 to 8 hours to setup properly, then another 4 to 8 hours to actually do. I won't have that kind of time until at the earliest the summer (July/August).

Secondly, I'm not sure I'd even attempt it at your place given it took me upwards of 2 hours to setup the one sub in your room due to the brutal equipment rack that makes doing anything a pain in the arse and likely double the amount of time it takes to measure and setup even a single subwoofer!

I am thinking that I may not have my subs set up correctly after reading the post above. It took me all of 15 mins to set my subs up and then about 5 more to AS-EQ1 them......

You probably don't have to use a 6" ladder to get to your components to make changes, bend over backwards with a mirror and a flashlight to try and figure out what connections you're plugging into, etc.

Plus, I typically like to take measurements of the close-mic FR without any crossover engaged on the sub (requires you to plug the sub into a L/R Front preout instead of the sub preout).

Further, with a shootout, it would be important to try and get the frequency responses and levels as close as possible so that you aren't providing one sub with an unfair advantage over another which would require something like my DCX2496 for Eq'ing capabilities, and of course the fact that for some reason REW is very finicky on my system and can take several tries to get working at times.

Hmmm

And how many months of pain getting to that point !

I knew i would have seen you respond to my comment Stewart. As soon as you get that second Sub2 i think i will be paying you a visit but as always, you are welcomed to my house and when you visit next there will be some MAJOR changes

I have been offered by my dealer for the same price either two Sub 25's or one Sub 2. Hmm. What to do...

I would go for the smoother bass response across multiple listening areas. Therefore, I would go for the 2 Sub25s. Just my .02.

Here's a link where an Anthem employee talks about 2 Sub25s vs 1 Sub 2.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...2#post19361402

My choice would be 2 sub 25s

A single SUB 2 has lower distortion, goes deeper, and is easier to set up than two SUB 25's.

I'd love a sub 2 but can't swing 9500 bucks for a sub, so I guess I gotta settle for a sub 25 lol.

Spitz, have u heard the sub 2 in action? It blows away the sub 25s. You should be able to get two sub 1s for the price of a sub 2 and as a two sub set up is always better than a single sub you should squeeze your dealer on two sub 1s. Paradigm reco'd that I get two sub 1s instead of the single sub2 but as sub 2 was better sub I went w a single and hope to add a second sub 2 later this year or early next. I have heard both sub 25 and sub 1, both are awesome subs but sub 1 seemed tighter, more controlled, bigger "oomphf" factor and was also better for music (at least to my untrained ear). The sub1 is also one sweet looking sub.

I'm almost ready to pull the trigger on a sub 2, but could do with a little advice please.

My system consists of a onkyo 5008 receiver, B&W CM9 fronts speakers, CMC 2, & CM5 rears with a SVS PC ultra & PB Ultra in a 18ft x 14ft room.

The system is only used for Blu-ray, would you consider the Sub 2 a massive upgrade on my current SVS sub's or complete overkill in view of my other equipment.

Thanks

Hard to say but my two cents is that I upgraded from dual Paradigm 15" Servo subs and would not go back.

Ive booked my demo, Anthem currently don't have one in the UK so I'm going to have to wait a month or so.

It's just to much money to spend without a in home demo but by the sounds of this thread I won't be disappointed

I went with 2 sub 25s and have been thoroughly pleased with the choice. Debated long and hard over those or a Sub 2 but haven't had a moment of regret. Would really be hard to argue with either decision though.

I would love to hear a Sub 25. I never had a sub before ( at least not for home). I had my heart set on a Sub 25 but I ended up getting the Sub 2. Figured if I was gonna do it at all, I would do it right. Plus, I don't have room in my room for 2 subs. If I move I can always consdier getting a second sub 2 if I had the money.

Thanks everyone for the advice.

My mind is saying for for the 2* Sub25's from the get go as a more logical approach, but my heart is set on the look, performance, and just plain newness of the Sub2. I guess down the track (at this price, way down the track) I couild always add another Sub2.

Also I just wonder, like most people wonder, if it will be a large, noticable upgrade from their current sub (in my case a M&K MX-350MKII THX Subwoofer).

Hi mbfleming, it has been a while since I read up on the Sub 2, so this part interested me:


Your earlier calculations showed two Sub 25's as having ~50% more displacement than one Sub 2 @ xmax:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...php?p=18194786


I still haven't seen a review of the Sub 2 yet that has useful technical measurements. Are we just taking the Anthem guy's word for it, despite the laws of physics, or is there something else that I'm missing?

I didn't notice the contradiction before. I was only repeating what Nick@anthem posted.

Anyone see anything wrong with placing my center channel, Paradigm C5, on top of my Sub 2 or just above? I am changing from my 142" scope screen to a 174" AT scope screen and would like to put the sub at the front behind the screen. Just wondering if the bass would interact with the center in a negative way?

John

Question about the Sub 1 (I think that's the 6x8" unit) and PBK generally, because a friend wants one and local dealers never seen to be able to give a straight answer for the simplest questions (sigh):

If one already has an Anthem ARC kit for her/his Anthem AVR/prepro, does one need to spring for a separate PBK kit, or can one just use the ARC mike and scrounge up an extra USB mini -> USB cable.

And related question, does one need to download a separate software package, or will the ARC software also run a PBK-enabled sub?

Big Surprise


They are completely separate software and hardware kits... The software is encoded to recognize the product that it was made for, so you cannot exchange the two.... The PBK software will recognize the serialized mic the comes with the kit and upload the correction files to the sub itself....

On a separate note....

Friends that DIY don't let friend spend this kind of money on subs.... Help a brotha out... Help him BUILD a nice pair of LMS's or a dual opposed rig there buddy, and get him more bang for the buck...

If memory serves the Sub 1 and Sub 2 both come with the PBK, it doesn't have to be purchased separately.

I haven't tried it, but using a different microphone might only require you have it's calibration file. The instructions from the Perfect Bass Kit read me say:


The microphones look identical except for their silkscreened logos:


Also, the MRX receiver manual indicates there may be no need to use both ARC and PBK corrections:

Anyone with a Sub2 watched Ghost Protocol ? My sub (this is mt second one) cut out again during one scene (where the car crashes into the river after being shot at). i think its due a firmware upgrade as the original sub2 had its cut out threshold too high and i think Anthem/Paradigm did a firmware update to lower the cut out threshold. Its late here so im going to look for more info on this tomorrow.

I just got the movie but haven't watched it yet. I'll try to get to it tomorrow and let you know if I have the same issue.