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post #1381 of 1511
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Originally Posted by HDVidGuy View Post

That's too funny! Low bass and lights flashing. You really need more power directly to the SUB2.

I know... but I can't afford it yet! Maybe after the wedding.
post #1382 of 1511
Hi Guys

I am a new SUB 2 owner, i got the SUB August last year, it has not been used much as my HT room is still under construction, just on occasion to listen to music in my living room,

I attempted to listen to music last night and the sub drivers are dead as a door nail, when my DV2 comes on and the track starts to play, i see the blue light on the sub come on (Have it in auto sensing), but its totally silent, no "pop" when the blue light comes on or anything, i tried powering the sub off/on playing with the controls to the back, different power outlet, tried it in triggered configuration, same result,

I know my DV2 is still outputting as my Sub 12 plays fine on the same output,

The amp to the back of the sub 2 is still warm to the touch and everything, could there be something busted in the sub? is there anything else i can try short of contacting my paradigm dealer for a replacement?
post #1383 of 1511
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Originally Posted by mhypolite View Post

Hi Guys

I am a new SUB 2 owner, i got the SUB August last year, it has not been used much as my HT room is still under construction, just on occasion to listen to music in my living room,

I attempted to listen to music last night and the sub drivers are dead as a door nail, when my DV2 comes on and the track starts to play, i see the blue light on the sub come on (Have it in auto sensing), but its totally silent, no "pop" when the blue light comes on or anything, i tried powering the sub off/on playing with the controls to the back, different power outlet, tried it in triggered configuration, same result,

I know my DV2 is still outputting as my Sub 12 plays fine on the same output,

The amp to the back of the sub 2 is still warm to the touch and everything, could there be something busted in the sub? is there anything else i can try short of contacting my paradigm dealer for a replacement?

Sounds like your amp is dead. First time I heard of this with the blue led lit.
If you are sure the sub cable is good or is the same one you tested using your sub 12
You might want to unbolt the Sub2 amp by removing the allen screws that mount it to the rear of the Sub2.
Disconnect the AC and any connections and after unbolting slowly tilt the amp out and check that all the power and speaker connectors to the amp are firmly in place
Next step would be to contact your dealer and have Anthem ship a replacement amplifier. Usually takes 2 to 3 days.
post #1384 of 1511
I will try your suggestions with removing the amp and see if i can find anything,

Yes it is very weird with the light still coming on, and it remains on permanently even with nothing playing,

If i unplug the power, it blinks about 5 to 8 times or so then goes out, when i reconnect power and play a track it comes back on, and remains even with the processor turned off for a while, i even tried plugging out the sub cable to see if the light will eventually go out as its not getting any signal without a cable, but that blue light remains on permanently until i plug the sub of, or flip the switch to triggered.
post #1385 of 1511
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Originally Posted by mhypolite View Post

I will try your suggestions with removing the amp and see if i can find anything,

Yes it is very weird with the light still coming on, and it remains on permanently even with nothing playing,

If i unplug the power, it blinks about 5 to 8 times or so then goes out, when i reconnect power and play a track it comes back on, and remains even with the processor turned off for a while, i even tried plugging out the sub cable to see if the light will eventually go out as its not getting any signal without a cable, but that blue light remains on permanently until i plug the sub of, or flip the switch to triggered.

You do not have to completely remove the amp just tilt it to check the connections.
I would describe the problem exactly like you have just done if and when you contact the dealer.
Let us know
I had my Sub2 refuse to turn on several months ago. They shipped a new one overnight by FedEx a new amp which I installed myself.
post #1386 of 1511
Thanks Man, i gave my local dealer a call before undoing any screws as i know him personally,

He told me to use the programmer from the downloads section and reprogram the firmware, i did so, it said it found 1.05 and reprogramming 1.06,

after that the sub came alive again and works perfect, so not to sure if the programming on it previously got messed up or what,
post #1387 of 1511
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Originally Posted by mhypolite View Post

Thanks Man, i gave my local dealer a call before undoing any screws as i know him personally,

He told me to use the programmer from the downloads section and reprogram the firmware, i did so, it said it found 1.05 and reprogramming 1.06,

after that the sub came alive again and works perfect, so not to sure if the programming on it previously got messed up or what,

Great news. Sorry I did not think to recomend reloading the firmware
post #1388 of 1511
I am on the fence here and I have been going back and forth on what to get and what quantity to get.

Here is my current system:

Anthem AVM50V 3d, with McIntosh MC501 for center, McIntosh MC402 for Front L/R, B&K Ref 200X5 for surrounds. I have B&W HTMS2 and 803S L/R, and mirage speakers for surrounds and I am currently running a Martin Logan I-depth (great for Music, but not for movies) and Mirage SW12. Both are not up to task for H/T, I also have a Boston Acoustic PV1000 in the back . I would say I am 40% Movies/ 40% PS3/xbox games and 20% music.

Everything is currently in an open unfinished basement which will soon get finished (within the year). I have put a dri-core subfloor down with a large carpet, couches, projector/screen etc and it made an amazing improvement in base response. the room when finished will likely be 4,300 to 4,800 cubic feet and will not be a perfect square. I want a lot of bass, I want to hear it and I want to feel it. I want to pressurize the room.

I was all over the place on which was the right brand, JL Audio, Paradigm HSU, SVS, Velodyne etc. It has been real hard to demo these things. I has been impossible to compare anything. I live CT and have driven 70 miles in multiple directions to get some demos in.

I listened to two JL F113s and I wasn't really impressed. It was likely the dealers room, but just felt like I wasn;t getting an upgrade in volume.

I believe I am down to getting either 2 Paradigm Sub15s, or Paradigm 2 Sub 1s or Paradigm 1 Sub 2. I can run dedicated circuits to each unit including 240Volt as needed. They would replace my current subs (or I would keep the ML just for music direct).

How does the Sub1 goes a low as the Sub 15 with similar power? There are a lot of drivers but they are smaller.

Another question: I can connect my ML I-Depth in both LFE mode and Hi-Pass mode splitting the Front Left/Right Pre-Outs to the MC402 and the I-Depth. This allows me to have a still sub working when I go stereo direct for critical music listening. Do I have an option here with the Paradigm units? Can I run both XLR and RCA inputs to allow me to do the same?


Finally, Was anyone able to demo similar configurations or considered what I am considering and wants to give me some advice? How much of a step up is in volume, control and power are each option? I know the Sub 2 is awesome, I am just afraid 1 just won't be enough to make me happy. I also wish the Sub 1 and 2 came in the Rosenut.

My dealer has bugged me because of the slow sales due to the bad weather and is promising a very good deal to buy and enjoy now! I visit him and then I spend money.... that's just how it works. The problem is he doesn't have a sub15, 1 or 2 in stock. He sold his Sub 2 and only demos sub12s (like most other people).

Thanks in advance!
Mark
post #1389 of 1511
I pulled the trigger on 2 Sub 1s. The local dealer pulled some favors with Paradigm and offered me a very nice deal. The deal was even a little better on the Sub 15s but, I couldn't resist getting the best I could justify (I know 2 Sub 2s would have been insane but....). Still wish they came in Rosenut. I am going to add 2 additional 20 amp fuses and run some new electrical lines to the theater in the next few weeks. I have to wait for Paradigm to produce them (arghhhh). Sub 15s appeared to be on back order until this week (could have had them buy the middle on next week).

The dealer is going to help set them up. The Paradigm National Sales Manager told me that no theater in the US will have more bass then me wink.gif at this point!

Now...... I am going to have to balance enjoying them versus when to actually start the full basement getting done.
Edited by Screamingelvises - 2/14/13 at 12:15pm
post #1390 of 1511
Congrats! I'm sure you'll love them. Post some pics once you have them up and running. Like you when I bought my Sub 25 a few years ago I really wanted rosenut. Paradigm really feels a need to distinguish the signature wood finishes from the reference finishes. With introducing gloss back to the reference line one would think they would have moved beyond this foolishness and offer rosenut aswell. I can understand back when the sigs were first introduced with real rosewood and bird's eye maple being offered as actual wood choices but now those exotic wood days are long gone.
post #1391 of 1511
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Originally Posted by Screamingelvises View Post

I pulled the trigger on 2 Sub 1s. The local dealer pulled some favors with Paradigm and offered me a very nice deal. The deal was even a little better on the Sub 15s but, I couldn't resist getting the best I could justify (I know 2 Sub 2s would have been insane but....). Still wish they came in Rosenut. I am going to add 2 additional 20 amp fuses and run some new electrical lines to the theater in the next few weeks. I have to wait for Paradigm to produce them (arghhhh). Sub 15s appeared to be on back order until this week (could have had them buy the middle on next week).

The dealer is going to help set them up. The Paradigm National Sales Manager told me that no theater in the US will have more bass then me wink.gif at this point!

Now...... I am going to have to balance enjoying them versus when to actually start the full basement getting done.

Great choice! I have a single Sub 1 and imagine 2x Sub 1s vs. a single Sub 2 for the same price is the way to go.
post #1392 of 1511
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Originally Posted by paradigm25 View Post

I have a Sub 25 with my S8 fronts and S2 surrounds. I have been thinking of adding another sub. My question is; should I go with another Sub 25 or get a Sub 2. Or adding another sub is not going to improve anything.

Thanks.

Sub 25 has been discontinued for quite some time. It would have to be used.
post #1393 of 1511
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Originally Posted by paradigm25 View Post

I have a Sub 25 with my S8 fronts and S2 surrounds. I have been thinking of adding another sub. My question is; should I go with another Sub 25 or get a Sub 2. Or adding another sub is not going to improve anything.

Thanks.

You may get no improvement as your ARC results posted on the Anthem Anthem D2/D2v/AVM50/AVM50v/ARC1 tweaking site for your current sub look very good.
Best move would be a loaner from your dealer to test it for a week or so and see the results. Most Anthem dealers can arrange a loaner via their sales rep.
A sub 2 is a bundle and could be money not spent well.
And, since moving your current sub was not possible where will you put the 225 lb BEAST ?

I never asked before but describe what you mostly listen to etc
post #1394 of 1511
I currently have one Servo 15v2 sub. I'm running it along with B&W 802's as my mains. In this config I had to really lower the cut-off point of the Servo 15 since the B&W's are so nice a tight down to 30Hz. I know I'm limiting my sub, but this works best for music. Sub only chimes in when required. Although this works great, I missing a lot of the slam in the 40-50Hz range.

Wondering if anyone has replaced their Servo 15v2 with a SUB2 and what changes they made in the setup?
post #1395 of 1511
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Originally Posted by HDVidGuy View Post

I currently have one Servo 15v2 sub. I'm running it along with B&W 802's as my mains. In this config I had to really lower the cut-off point of the Servo 15 since the B&W's are so nice a tight down to 30Hz. I know I'm limiting my sub, but this works best for music. Sub only chimes in when required. Although this works great, I missing a lot of the slam in the 40-50Hz range.

Wondering if anyone has replaced their Servo 15v2 with a SUB2 and what changes they made in the setup?

I wish I could help you. The Sub 2 is the first HT sub I have ever owned. Had a few car audio subs years ago but not with any type of real power like the Sub 2 or even say a Sub 12.
post #1396 of 1511
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Originally Posted by HDVidGuy View Post

I currently have one Servo 15v2 sub. I'm running it along with B&W 802's as my mains. In this config I had to really lower the cut-off point of the Servo 15 since the B&W's are so nice a tight down to 30Hz. I know I'm limiting my sub, but this works best for music. Sub only chimes in when required. Although this works great, I missing a lot of the slam in the 40-50Hz range.

Wondering if anyone has replaced their Servo 15v2 with a SUB2 and what changes they made in the setup?

I had a Signature Servo 15 sub then added another, these did not do it for me so I purchased a Sub 2. As for changes to my setup, I had to re-run my calibration software. smile.gif Sub 2 goes much deeper and tighter than the two servos, I couldn't even keep all three in the same setup as the servos sounded out of place.
post #1397 of 1511
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Originally Posted by peterpioli View Post

Are there any other subs that will produce 112 dB @10Hz?

Funk Audio 18.2 will... and some.
post #1398 of 1511
actually DB measures 94.7gp for the sub2 signature.
post #1399 of 1511
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Originally Posted by studlygoorite View Post

Anyone see anything wrong with placing my center channel, Paradigm C5, on top of my Sub 2 or just above? I am changing from my 142" scope screen to a 174" AT scope screen and would like to put the sub at the front behind the screen. Just wondering if the bass would interact with the center in a negative way?

John

How much room do you have behind your AT screen? You satisfied with the performance of your Sub 2? Read about your amp issues, glad everything worked out.

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Originally Posted by Warpdrv View Post


On a separate note....

Friends that DIY don't let friend spend this kind of money on subs.... Help a brotha out... Help him BUILD a nice pair of LMS's or a dual opposed rig there buddy, and get him more bang for the buck...

What I could do with $9K… Or, better yet… What I "am" doing with $6K…
wink.gif

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Originally Posted by Screamingelvises View Post

Everything is currently in an open unfinished basement which will soon get finished (within the year). I have put a dri-core subfloor down with a large carpet, couches, projector/screen etc and it made an amazing improvement in base response. the room when finished will likely be 4,300 to 4,800 cubic feet and will not be a perfect square. I want a lot of bass, I want to hear it and I want to feel it. I want to pressurize the room.

Is your goal performance or aesthetics? I ask for two reasons. 1) In your below comment you stated that they "wish they came in Rosenut." 2) When you finish your basement, are you going to be implementing an acoustically transparent screen to conceal your L/C/R and Sub(s)?

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Originally Posted by Screamingelvises View Post

I pulled the trigger on 2 Sub 1s. The local dealer pulled some favors with Paradigm and offered me a very nice deal. The deal was even a little better on the Sub 15s but, I couldn't resist getting the best I could justify (I know 2 Sub 2s would have been insane but....). Still wish they came in Rosenut. I am going to add 2 additional 20 amp fuses and run some new electrical lines to the theater in the next few weeks. I have to wait for Paradigm to produce them (arghhhh). Sub 15s appeared to be on back order until this week (could have had them buy the middle on next week).

The dealer is going to help set them up. The Paradigm National Sales Manager told me that no theater in the US will have more bass then me wink.gif at this point!

Now...... I am going to have to balance enjoying them versus when to actually start the full basement getting done.

Timestamp! 14 Feb 2013.
The Paradigm rep would say that… This very general statement is unsettling and I would have to strongly disagree. While I understand that ego stroking a new owner of your equipment is in order, his comment makes me put his credibility in question. On the other hand, if one knows their audience will accept statements such as these with a smile and no other questions, why not.

Can I ask what the appeal of the Sub 1 & 2 was for you in particular? They are, without question, true pieces of art with great performance for a small footprint. Do most owners buy these subs because the research they conduct puts them the spotlight of being the best?

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Originally Posted by rwheelwright View Post

I wish I could help you. The Sub 2 is the first HT sub I have ever owned. Had a few car audio subs years ago but not with any type of real power like the Sub 2 or even say a Sub 12.

Your first HT sub ever is a Sub 2? Impressive! What was the appeal for you? Performance, aesthetics, small footprint? I'm just trying to get some context and a general consensus from owners of said products.

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Originally Posted by manwithnocape View Post

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Originally Posted by peterpioli View Post

Are there any other subs that will produce 112 dB @10Hz?
Funk Audio 18.2 will... and some.

Nocape, not sure the Funk 18.2 was in existence (at least in its current form) back when peter posted his comment in '09. Seems as though some real leaps and bounds have been made since then. Hell, back in 09' I used to set aside personal alone time with my computer and the collage of every JL Gotham photo I could collect from the internet… Me and lady g213 go way back…lol

Keep in mind that peter was well informed of other alternatives when he posted his comment, especially given he was looking for an alternative to the eD A7-900 and Seaton offerings.

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Originally Posted by manwithnocape View Post

actually DB measures 94.7gp for the sub2 signature.

I understand where you are coming from buddy, but again… In context, I do not believe that Data-Bass existed when peter made his statement. In addition, I do not believe many Sub 2 owners even know that "DB" (data-bass) or "GP" (ground plane) means.

To tie into your above comment regarding the Funk Audio 18.2… Keep in mind that ground plane measurements have not been taken for that particular system on Data-Bass either. When you put ground plane measurements into context, the Sub 2 is actually in the top 3 performers (at 10Hz) that Mr. Ricci has tested.

Also, just to keep things in perspective to ensure we are comparing apples-to-apples, here is the article that Ricci authored regarding Dual or triple opposed SPL compensation. It's a very interesting read and relevant when comparing different designs.
post #1400 of 1511
popalock -
oh i know. the dates and everything is all there, just keeping up with the times is all. and my statement was based on the preview of the 18.2.... so ya, im getting ahead of myself, but im optimistic. there have been some new developments out there and it never hurts to breathe some new life into our discussions.
no doubt, the sub 2 is killer.... DB measurements are fantastic and the only thing that bests it are DIY. but in recent months there are some interesting offerings made available and it will be interesting to see how Ricci's measurements put them all in their respective places. just so we are clear, i do agree with you 100%.
post #1401 of 1511
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Originally Posted by manwithnocape View Post

popalock -
oh i know. the dates and everything is all there, just keeping up with the times is all. and my statement was based on the preview of the 18.2.... so ya, im getting ahead of myself, but im optimistic. there have been some new developments out there and it never hurts to breathe some new life into our discussions.
no doubt, the sub 2 is killer.... DB measurements are fantastic and the only thing that bests it are DIY. but in recent months there are some interesting offerings made available and it will be interesting to see how Ricci's measurements put them all in their respective places. just so we are clear, i do agree with you 100%.

Sweet.

Having owned LMS-U's in the recent past, I can attest that the 18.2 will be a beast. I see they don't use the LMS-U's anymore, but I hear good things about all of their products in general.

I'm still very interested to hear from other Sub 1 / 2 owners.
post #1402 of 1511
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Originally Posted by popalock View Post

Sweet.

Having owned LMS-U's in the recent past, I can attest that the 18.2 will be a beast. I see they don't use the LMS-U's anymore, but I hear good things about all of their products in general.

I'm still very interested to hear from other Sub 1 / 2 owners.

Biggest factors for me on Sub 1 were performance, foot print and aesthetics. That and I got it before the price increase, so I didn't pay nearly as much as current MSRP. That being said, from what I've seen of DIY setups they may look barely tolerable even in a dedicated theater room, but absolutely not in a normal living room you frequently have guests in. Also, I live in a smaller place so more boxes often not better.
post #1403 of 1511
After a single 15" Servo and then adding another didn't do it, I went to my dealer and said "Give me the best you have", plus I got a real good deal.
post #1404 of 1511
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Originally Posted by studlygoorite View Post

After a single 15" Servo and then adding another didn't do it, I went to my dealer and said "Give me the best you have", plus I got a real good deal.
i like it when we get good deals. how do you like your sub2?
post #1405 of 1511
Well it's the best I have had so far, excellent for movies but I think I need a couple of those HSU Mid Bass Modules for just a little more kick for loud music.

John
post #1406 of 1511
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Originally Posted by studlygoorite View Post

Well it's the best I have had so far, excellent for movies but I think I need a couple of those HSU Mid Bass Modules for just a little more kick for loud music.

John
Your house is going to run out of current at some point eek.gif
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Originally Posted by AVfile View Post

Your house is going to run out of current at some point eek.gif

agreed. you might need a small nuclear reactor in your back yard. lol!
post #1408 of 1511
As I grew I had to rewire everything, 6 dedicated 120v lines and a 240v for the sub because I could turn up my system and watch the incoming current go from 120v down to 107v and at 107v everything would cut out.
post #1409 of 1511
Hi Popalock,


"Is your goal performance or aesthetics? I ask for two reasons. 1) In your below comment you stated that they "wish they came in Rosenut." 2) When you finish your basement, are you going to be implementing an acoustically transparent screen to conceal your L/C/R and Sub(s)??"

I like to see my equipment. They will be visible and not behind a screen (I know I could get a bigger screen if I hid them, but 120" is perfect for now).


"Timestamp! 14 Feb 2013.
The Paradigm rep would say that… This very general statement is unsettling and I would have to strongly disagree. While I understand that ego stroking a new owner of your equipment is in order, his comment makes me put his credibility in question. On the other hand, if one knows their audience will accept statements such as these with a smile and no other questions, why not.

Can I ask what the appeal of the Sub 1 & 2 was for you in particular? They are, without question, true pieces of art with great performance for a small footprint. Do most owners buy these subs because the research they conduct puts them the spotlight of being the best?"


I understand the rep is making me feel good.... I posted statement just to show excitement.

DIY, Internet Direct or Brick & Mortar Options

I didn't want to go the DIY route because, I don't have the confidence I would have made the damn things perfect (I am anal) and any imperfection or issue would have bothered me). I also did not want huge appliances in the room that weren't the same fit and finish as my gear (I could be off in my opinion), plus I didn't want to have to buy an outside bass processor and fiddle with that as it seemed like it would be getting more complex. I understand that 2 or 4 18' subs running on pro amps would be even or insane.

Internet Direct
My friend that helped me run two addition 20 amp lines for my temporary theater has a SVS PC13 Ultra and it sounded great, I actually suggested he look at SVS when he was considering subs on a "bang for the buck premise" (also got him to buy an Emotiva Amp as well). He was immediately awe struck when we fired my sub up and played it (I am still waiting for my second sub as Paradigm was back ordered). The PB13-ULTRA was a consideration, but I am not a fan of ported subs and I also liked the room correction options of the Paradigm and the SVS unit is huge! This was a tough call.

Brick & Mortar
I was down to JL Audio and Paradigm. It was very frustrating for me as many dealers in my area don't have the "big boys" on display for demonstrations (both JL and Paradigm), I drove and called everywhere in a 60-75 mile radius. I was able to hear dual JL Fathom F113s and I honestly wasn't very impressed,. It could have been the room or the content etc, but it wasn't going to be enough for me and certainly didn't make me want to pull my wallet out. I believe that the F212 is likely a huge step up in performance but I wanted 2 and was uncertain if I could have gotten an equivalent deal that I got on the Paradigms.

I went with the Sub-2s (even over the sub-15s which I could have gotten and even better deal on and in Rosenut), because the product seemed very well reviewed, and bench tests showed it to be a strong performer. I believe in Anthem's room correction software, and PBK seemed like a good choice. They look great. and should not be fussy and they should be reliable. The sound and speed appears to compliment my B&Ws nicely.

Equally important, I have a local dealer that supports me and is there for set-up and any issues I may have (I have purchased an Anthem AVM50V 3D, Peachtree Doc, Paradigm Studio 10s and center in another room from him) and takes care of my friends as well (he has now gotten the business of 3 of my friends). I want to keep good dealers in business. He gives me a fair price (comfortably below List Price) and he still makes money.

There are better commercial options out there, most of which would have been more money, but I think I did the best for me for what I was willing to spend, so they were the "best for me". Maybe the Seaton Submersive would have been a better choice etc, but I am happy and don't see a need to upgrade subs anymore. The vibrations, rattles etc in the house from just one makes me think I shouldn't push it anymore wink.gif

Edited by Screamingelvises - 3/11/13 at 7:57am
post #1410 of 1511
Funk Audio might have something that might best the SUB2. FA 18.2. Looks fantastic and it's built in Canada! Comes is two formats, Power Level One and Power Level Two. Not sure what was tested and what output ratings for each.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1283555/funky-waves-audio-official-thread-prebuilt-and-custom-subs/420

Pre-review:
http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/speakers/subwoofers/funk-audio-18.2

Output ratings
10 hz 31.6% 99.5 dB
12.5 hz 28.2% 106.7 dB
16 hz 22.4% 111.3 dB
20 hz 17.8% 113.7 dB
25 hz 8.9% 116.6 dB
32 hz 5.0% 119.6 dB
40 hz 10.0% 122.3 dB
50 hz 6.3% 125.3 dB
63 hz 4.4% 127.7 dB
80 hz 1.99% 128.8 dB
100 hz nill 130.4 dB
125 hz nill 131.4 dB
160 hz nill 131.2 dB
200 hz nill 130.3 dB
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