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post #1441 of 1511
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Originally Posted by kamenoff View Post

Guys I bought Sub 1 recently and I am extremely happy. Comparing with my previous SVS PC-13 Ultra, I found this sub to be much better.
However I am annoyed by the fact that Paradigm hasn't included a switch to power OFF/ON the sub. If I leave it on Stand by the Sub is quite warm. If I switch the Sub on/ off from the Plug I hear a constant noise. I've spoken to my dealer and they said that this is the capacitator?
Any sugestion whether to leave the sub on or constantly to switch it off the electrecity?
Thank you in advance.

You do not need to power the sub off completely.
Use the signal sensing mode as it powers off the sub after a few minutes when there is no audio signal.
Or you can use the alternative Trigger mode if you are not comfortable with the signal sensing mode.
post #1442 of 1511
I have a sub 2, I don't have any noise from it. Although my ceiling lights flicker like crazy. Getting a dedicated 240v circuit installed.
Edited by HDVidGuy - 7/24/13 at 10:04am
post #1443 of 1511
I got noise from mine when it turns on or I plug it in. I leave it unplugged mostly because I don't get a chance to use that room often. It may have to do with that circuit having other stuff on it too. If I have the lights on, they dim when I plug it in.
post #1444 of 1511
You will get a soft thump when powered up. No need to power off, use line sense as noted above.
post #1445 of 1511
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Originally Posted by thestewman View Post

You do not need to power the sub off completely.
Use the signal sensing mode as it powers off the sub after a few minutes when there is no audio signal.
Or you can use the alternative Trigger mode if you are not comfortable with the signal sensing mode.

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Originally Posted by HDVidGuy View Post

I have a sub 2, I don't have any noise from it. Although my ceiling lights flicker like crazy. Getting a dedicated 240v circuit installed.

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Originally Posted by HDVidGuy View Post

You will get a soft thump when powered up. No need to power off, use line sense as noted above.

I have absolutely no noise when using either the signal sensing or trigger mode. If there are no strong bass notes or sounds I have to visually check the front led indicator to make sure it is turned on. You have to use aeither one of the methods. Unplugging it constantly it there will be a thump when the amp is energized and still does not turn it on
post #1446 of 1511
Guys, thank you for your replies. If I leave the Sub on Power mode, the Amplifier gets warm. Quite warm..that is why I am switching off but the Pop is quite annoying...What do you do with yours?
post #1447 of 1511
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Originally Posted by kamenoff View Post

Guys, thank you for your replies. If I leave the Sub on Power mode, the Amplifier gets warm. Quite warm..that is why I am switching off but the Pop is quite annoying...What do you do with yours?

Leave it on signal sensing. When there is no audio signal it stays off and is completely cool to the touch.
If I play 2 channel stereo there is no sub signal and it remains off. Soon as I play a multichannel source the Blue LED shows it is on and it stays on until it has no signal for about 5 minutes


I wonder if there may be a slight chance that you may have DC or unaudible hum on your audio input cable to the sub ?
Maybe that accounts for the thump you hear when you plug the sub into AC.
You should be able to select signal sensing and the blue LED on the sub should stay off when no audio is playing or only a 2 channel stereo source is playing.
When a multichannel source plays that has sub signal the LED should light and the sub should be playing .
Edited by thestewman - 7/24/13 at 9:49pm
post #1448 of 1511
The Stewman, I have trigger and Auto...is the triger the same as signal sensing mode?
post #1449 of 1511
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Originally Posted by kamenoff View Post

The Stewman, I have trigger and Auto...is the triger the same as signal sensing mode?

Trigger mode requires a 12 volt source to turn the sub on and off.
Auto is the auto sensing mode and only requires an audio signal from your audio source.
post #1450 of 1511
Finally had my 240v installed. Before sub2 was sharing power with my system and the lights flickered really bad when I had the volume up a bit. Now WOW! It's almost scary. Actually it has made me jump a few times. Totally impressive.
post #1451 of 1511
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Originally Posted by HDVidGuy View Post

Finally had my 240v installed. Before sub2 was sharing power with my system and the lights flickered really bad when I had the volume up a bit. Now WOW! It's almost scary. Actually it has made me jump a few times. Totally impressive.

Do you have any before and after measurements?

I know data-bass did a thorough test of the Sub2 using a 240v line back in March of 2012 and it was an absolute beast in the lowest octaves. I can appreciate the precieved difference based on your listening impressions alone, but just wondering if you had any objective data.
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FYI. Here is the data-bass review if anyone in here is interested. Has anyone on this thread read the data-bass review before?
post #1452 of 1511
Sorry, nothing I could measure and report back. But is was day and night. Without the 240v the line, it was just a great sub. Again it shared a 120v line with the rest of my family room, so it was starving for power.
post #1453 of 1511
I'm testing the Sub1 just now in my home against my F113, I will post my thoughts soon.

Anyone had experience with both subs?
post #1454 of 1511
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Originally Posted by marky301067 View Post

I'm testing the Sub1 just now in my home against my F113, I will post my thoughts soon.

Anyone had experience with both subs?

Will you be testing for video or audiophile music ?
post #1455 of 1511
I would be very interested in this comparison too.
post #1456 of 1511
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Originally Posted by thestewman View Post

Will you be testing for video or audiophile music ?

I'm testing the sub with Video & Music, mostly music at the moment, though movies are my priority.

I have been listening to music non stop over the last few days, the sub 1 is absolutely fantastic with all types of music, the way it defines the bass notes is something special. The F113 is no slouch when it comes to music either, I think the sub1 maybe just edging it, only time will tell!

I will continue testing.....
post #1457 of 1511
Thanks, keep the comments coming marky.
post #1458 of 1511
After extensive testing both Subs I've been converted to the Dark Side.

In my opinion the Sub1 is a huge step up from the JL Fathom F113, it has transformed my listening pleasure massively. it has different signature from Fathom, it 's tight, clean, deep, stops and starts in a millisecond and never looses control, the bass notes that this little beauty throws out has to be heard to be believed, it's on another sub planet, especially with music, it's a killer, I can't praise it enough.

I have a very difficult room, my room sucks out the bass from the front to the back, this sub sorts out all my problems within 5 minutes with PBK, it's a revelation.

previous to the Paradigm I have owned JL Fathom F113 as stated above, SVS PB 13 ultra Sledge, SVS PC 20-39, if I can remember, Velodyne SPL1200MK2, Paradigm Servo15 and a few others, I've also tested the Velodyne15+, SVS SB13, Dali Helicon S600, the Paradigm eats them all for breakfast!

The sub has also improved the sound of my speakers by at least 20/30%, I can't stop listening to my music, I'm hearing detail and bass that I have never experienced in my life before wink.gif the mid bass is phenomenal.


10/10
post #1459 of 1511
Thanks! Too bad the price has gone up $2000 since it was introduced redface.gif
post #1460 of 1511
Now having my Sub 2 for approx. 8 months it still amazes me how much this sub performs! Listening to movies and music, it just blends in so well. Never over reaching, never under bearing. If there's low bass, it just hits it, never fumbles. What I have found is how little very low end bass there is on CDs. Mid bass slam is definitely there. Mind you I'm running an Anthem AVM30 as the DAC which could be a bad thing. The bass is there on the CD, just no where near movies. What is interesting, I hear a lot of background low end on CDs which is not supposed to be there. e.g.,Pops, etc. [/SIZE]
post #1461 of 1511
Thats awesome, all the excess power means it can hit the all the peaks you want at normal listening / reference levels which makes it work seamlessly and make you forget it's there.

Any sub that powerful MUST be good! I really love My JL audio F212 pair but could not afford the space for a pair of sub2's. I'm glad i didnt get the sub2 since the F212 are more than enough to piss off the neighbors already.
post #1462 of 1511
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Originally Posted by HDVidGuy View Post

Now having my Sub 2 for approx. 8 months it still amazes me how much this sub performs! Listening to movies and music, it just blends in so well. Never over reaching, never under bearing. If there's low bass, it just hits it, never fumbles. What I have found is how little very low end bass there is on CDs. Mid bass slam is definitely there. Mind you I'm running an Anthem AVM30 as the DAC which could be a bad thing. The bass is there on the CD, just no where near movies. What is interesting, I hear a lot of background low end on CDs which is not supposed to be there. e.g.,Pops, etc. [/SIZE]

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I love my Sub 2. It just is mind boggling to hear what it can reproduce and always effortlessly. Never intrudes and never attracts any attention as it is always non-directional

The reason you do not hear that extreme low bass on your CDs is because that recorded music does not have LFE.
Blu ray and DVD have LFE and the AVM30 will steer that to your sub 2
post #1463 of 1511
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Originally Posted by HDVidGuy View Post

Now having my Sub 2 for approx. 8 months it still amazes me how much this sub performs! Listening to movies and music, it just blends in so well. Never over reaching, never under bearing. If there's low bass, it just hits it, never fumbles. What I have found is how little very low end bass there is on CDs. Mid bass slam is definitely there. Mind you I'm running an Anthem AVM30 as the DAC which could be a bad thing. The bass is there on the CD, just no where near movies. What is interesting, I hear a lot of background low end on CDs which is not supposed to be there. e.g.,Pops, etc. [/SIZE]

Congratulations on being a Sub 2 owner! I can only imagine how wonderful that sub is. As thestewman indicated, most music won't reach the levels of LFE in movies. Very few musical instruments go any deeper than about 25 Hz. That being said, synthesizers and pipe organs can indeed go much lower. Don't know what your musical taste is, but Saint Saen's Organ Symphony (there are many different CD and SACD versions of this music) will hit 16 Hz. Mike Oldfield uses synthesized sounds to reach deep levels in much of his music. I don't know the frequency response, but Shabda (from Oldfield's "Music of the Spheres" CD) pound my walls so hard that I have had to silence several large paintings and a couple of door rattles (nothing I can do about the cracking sound from wood studs).

Also note that there is a thread here on AVS that talks about people's favorite music that has deep bass content.
post #1464 of 1511
I'm curious to find out if dual sub1's would come near the performance of a sub2! is the sub 2 more suited to larger room?
post #1465 of 1511
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Originally Posted by marky301067 View Post

I'm curious to find out if dual sub1's would come near the performance of a sub2! is the sub 2 more suited to larger room?
I'm interested in that too.

The Sub 1 looks so small compared to my current SVS PB12-Ultra/2 that I'm wary about going for the Sub 1 and then regretting not going for a Sub 2.
If 2 x Sub 1's come close to the Sub 2 then I could buy the Sub 1 now and add another later if necessary.
post #1466 of 1511
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Originally Posted by SilverSteve View Post

I'm interested in that too.

The Sub 1 looks so small compared to my current SVS PB12-Ultra/2 that I'm wary about going for the Sub 1 and then regretting not going for a Sub 2.
If 2 x Sub 1's come close to the Sub 2 then I could buy the Sub 1 now and add another later if necessary.

Almost always, 2 to 4 subs is better for achieving linear in-room bass response with proper calibration techniques. Comparing two sub 1 to one sub 2 is like apples and oranges. I prefer two "great" subs to one "extreme" sub any day.... Especially if your room is not built to withstand vibrations.

There is NOTHING more distracting than rattling crap in the room!
post #1467 of 1511
I have had both e Sub1 and the Sub 2. Paradigm loaned me a Sub1 until production was ready with the Sub2. So I have experience with both.
They are both awesome performers. But, if you can find a dealer who will cut you a good deal on a Sub2. they are around. I know several.
So go for the big guy.
The Sub 2 performs excellently without any stress.
post #1468 of 1511
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Originally Posted by thestewman View Post

I have had both e Sub1 and the Sub 2. Paradigm loaned me a Sub1 until production was ready with the Sub2. So I have experience with both.
They are both awesome performers. But, if you can find a dealer who will cut you a good deal on a Sub2. they are around. I know several.
So go for the big guy.
The Sub 2 performs excellently without any stress.



Does room size come into the equation when comparing both subs?
post #1469 of 1511
I'm sure it has an effect. Bigger room you need to move mote air. The Sub 2 has almost double the power and the drivers are bigger so more air can be moved
post #1470 of 1511
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Originally Posted by thestewman View Post

I have had both e Sub1 and the Sub 2. Paradigm loaned me a Sub1 until production was ready with the Sub2. So I have experience with both.
They are both awesome performers. But, if you can find a dealer who will cut you a good deal on a Sub2. they are around. I know several.
So go for the big guy.
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The Sub 2 performs excellently without any stress.

Add to that, ARC does the room correction and the Sub 2 has a lower frequency response. Wondering why you would need two subs?
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