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post #1 of 10
Thread Starter 
I posted a while back about Netflix capabilities/possibilities on the HD A35 and A3. Specifically, my question was why couldn't Toshiba and/or NetFlix make a simple disc available that would enable the Toshiba HD-DVD players to stream NetFlix movies, since the players were already capable of Accessing the internet. Apparently this is very easy to do. In light of the Sony/NetFlix announcement today, that the PS3 will offer Netflix streaming via a NetFlix access disc, I don't see any reason why Toshiba and NetFlix don't make this service available immediately for its discontinued HD-DVD players and new Blu-Ray player. Following is a quote from the Sony/NetFlix announcement:

"Sony and Netflix said in the release that Netflix movies will be enabled by a free, instant streaming Blu-ray disc that will be sent to all Netflix members."

C'mon Toshiba. This is a no brainer. Make this happen asap and your disgruntled HD-DVD customer base won't feel so abandoned by you.
post #2 of 10
There are about six people left who have HD-DVD players and don't also already have some other way to stream Netflix if they want to. If you find the other five, you can start a club.

Even if Toshiba and Netflix make a deal, it will be for streaming on Toshiba's BD players, not old hardware from which there is no further revenue to be gained.

And by the way, I don't know anybody who blames Toshiba for the failure of HD-DVD. If you're disgruntled, I can name a few studios you could boycott.
post #3 of 10
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So be it. All I am suggesting is for somebody, primarily NetFlix) to serve a user base of over 3 million users (some estimates) of people who bought HD-DVD players capable of accessing the internet for Video Streams. If you already own a player capable of accessing the internet such as any Toshiba HD-DVD player. Why would you want to buy a ROKU player or Blu-Ray player just to do this?! This is a market that is just sitting out there dormant and buying cheap, out of issue HD-DVD movies. The HD-DVD machines are capable of doing this right now. And all they need is a HD-DVD disc to make it happen. Obviously NetFlix can make this happen all by itself by collaborating with Toshiba, other HD-DVD manufacturers and Microsoft to code the discs properly. And just what do you suggest. Buying more new equipment to breed with your existing EQ, just to do what your current EQ is already capable of? I sure wouldn't buy a Blu-Ray disc player just to get Streaming capability when I already own an HD-DVD player that can already do it (if enabled). Plus I already own a Blu-Ray player (Panny DMP-BD35) for Blu-Ray movies. I'm not remotely interested in a Toshiba Blu-Ray player. If I was NetFlix, I'd be all over this opportunity with any Hi-Def player in the marketplace capable of internet streaming, in order to boost my overall subscription level. I would be saturating the marketplace with access/subscription discs just like the old internet companies (like AOL) used to do. That's just my take on this.
post #4 of 10
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Originally Posted by barrelbelly View Post

So be it. All I am suggesting is for somebody, primarily NetFlix) to serve a user base of over 3 million users (some estimates) of people who bought HD-DVD players capable of accessing the internet for Video Streams. If you already own a player capable of accessing the internet such as any Toshiba HD-DVD player. Why would you want to buy a ROKU player or Blu-Ray player just to do this?! This is a market that is just sitting out there dormant and buying cheap, out of issue HD-DVD movies. The HD-DVD machines are capable of doing this right now. And all they need is a HD-DVD disc to make it happen. Obviously NetFlix can make this happen all by itself by collaborating with Toshiba, other HD-DVD manufacturers and Microsoft to code the discs properly. And just what do you suggest. Buying more new equipment to breed with your existing EQ, just to do what your current EQ is already capable of? I sure wouldn't buy a Blu-Ray disc player just to get Streaming capability when I already own an HD-DVD player that can already do it (if enabled). Plus I already own a Blu-Ray player (Panny DMP-BD35) for Blu-Ray movies. I'm not remotely interested in a Toshiba Blu-Ray player. If I was NetFlix, I'd be all over this opportunity with any Hi-Def player in the marketplace capable of internet streaming, in order to boost my overall subscription level. I would be saturating the marketplace with access/subscription discs just like the old internet companies (like AOL) used to do. That's just my take on this.

Hmmm....
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Q: How many HD DVD players and recorders, exactly, did you sell?
A: 600,000 players in the US and 300,000 Xbox 360 HD DVD drives. 100,000 units were sold in Europe. And about 10,000 players and 20,000 recorders in Japan. So about 1,030,000 units worldwide.

http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/19/l...ence-in-tokyo/

I think your 3M user base estimate is a little high.

The format is dead. If Netflix stopped serving HD DVD discs via mail almost 2 years ago - why in the world would they let these players stream their media now? Just because? These players are not marketable - they are no longer for sale. Why would Netflix attach their new, blossoming service to dead hardware? The format is no longer supported - even the manufacturer (Toshiba) has ceased all related operations - a long time ago.

Netflix is doing just fine as is, and technically, ~1/3 of all the HD DVD players sold already have do Netflix, since all of those HD DVD add ons are connected to xbox 360s that have had Netflix available for a year now.

You think Netflix is worried about ~600k standalone HD DVD players? When between the xbox and ps3 and other bluray players and TVs they have a market of like 30+M potential devices? HD DVD is a non-issue to them, even if the players are technically capable of streaming their service.

As the user above stated, if anything, the only Toshiba product to get it would be their BDX2000 bluray player or any networked TV they might release.
post #5 of 10
Expecting anybody to add anything to HD DVD players at this point is like beating your head against a wall and expecting an outcome other than a headache. I still love and use my player but I know I'm not getting anything else out of it. Enjoy it for what it is and not what it might have been. You'll save yourself alot of aggravation.
post #6 of 10
The Roku is a stand-alone streaming player that works great and sells for $99. I would highly suggest you go that way as new firmware for HD DVD will never happen.
post #7 of 10
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Originally Posted by barrelbelly View Post

If you already own a player capable of accessing the internet such as any Toshiba HD-DVD player. Why would you want to buy a ROKU player or Blu-Ray player just to do this?! This is a market that is just sitting out there dormant and buying cheap, out of issue HD-DVD movies.

There is almost nobody who has an HD-DVD player and nothing else. Anyone like that is by definition a fringe-dweller, not representative of a viable market.

You are also missing the point that Netflix is not a charity. Netflix wants you to buy a Roku box or a PS3 or a TiVo or a Netflix-enabled BD player because that represents revenue for them. Investing even a nickel in developing for a dead format would be stupid, and something their stockholders wouldn't stand for.

Your notion is a fantasy. Forget it.
post #8 of 10
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Originally Posted by rseven View Post

The Roku is a stand-alone streaming player that works great and sells for $99. I would highly suggest you go that way as new firmware for HD DVD will never happen.

The Roku is an interesting option, especially for the price. How is the audio? Does it support DTS?
post #9 of 10
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Originally Posted by ddiodato View Post

The Roku is an interesting option, especially for the price. How is the audio? Does it support DTS?

Who streams DTS?

The Roku will pass along whatever audio format it receives.
post #10 of 10
The Roku audio is decent, but nothing great. I believe the most advanced format I've seen on it is only Dolby Digital, but since this is an extra service beyond the movie rentals for no extra cost, I'm pretty happy with it.
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