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post #151 of 4713
Hi,

I want to buy a 3007 (have now the 876) so i am reading this thread and at first i see at the beginning of the thread "problems" with clicking noises and dropouts in sound.
A few pages further it seems to be "outside" problems and has nothing to do with the amp itself, or am i wrong ?

So, has the x007 problems or not............?

Thanks !
post #152 of 4713
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by CBdicX View Post

Hi,

I want to buy a 3007 (have now the 876) so i am reading this thread and at first i see at the beginning of the thread "problems" with clicking noises and dropouts in sound.
A few pages further it seems to be "outside" problems and has nothing to do with the amp itself, or am i wrong ?

So, has the x007 problems or not............?

Thanks !

Some users are experiencing problems, some are not, not sure why.
I am not experiencing any serious issues.
If there is fluctuation in the audio, ie silence, from the source
and it is a 5.1 track, there is obviously an audio drop out and relay clicking
as the receiver is trying to find a new listening mode.
Relay clicking occurs for me when I change from a channel with Dolby Digital 5.1 audio
to a channel with 2.0 audio when the receiver is shifting listening mode.
I think my 876 did the same.
post #153 of 4713
Quote:
Originally Posted by rickardl View Post

Some users are experiencing problems, some are not, not sure why.
I am not experiencing any serious issues.
If there is fluctuation in the audio, ie silence, from the source
and it is a 5.1 track, there is obviously an audio drop out and relay clicking
as the receiver is trying to find a new listening mode.
Relay clicking occurs for me when I change from a channel with Dolby Digital 5.1 audio
to a channel with 2.0 audio when the receiver is shifting listening mode.
I think my 876 did the same.

So if i understand correct, when you are using a DVD or Blu-ray with 5.1 you get the mentioned problems ?
And when you use a 7.1 sound codec like THX Ultra 2 on a 5.1 sound source, do you get the same problems ?

If you say:
Relay clicking occurs for me when I change from a channel with Dolby Digital 5.1 audio
to a channel with 2.0 audio when the receiver is shifting listening mode.

why don't you select from the audio codecs one alternative for all variations, like i do.....
I use for iPod, TV, Internet radio ALL CH ST.
For Blu-ray i use THX Ulta 2 as i have a 7.1 setup.

I only hear clicks from the 876 when i switch from stereo to all ch st, pure or direct.
Changing in SURR or THX settings will not give any clicks.
post #154 of 4713
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by CBdicX View Post

So if i understand correct, when you are using a DVD or Blu-ray with 5.1 you get the mentioned problems ?
And when you use a 7.1 sound codec like THX Ultra 2 on a 5.1 sound source, do you get the same problems ?

If I experience any drop outs at all, it is through the cable box connection,
which seems to be related to the transmission/broadcast itself.

Quote:
Originally Posted by CBdicX View Post

I only hear clicks from the 876 when i switch from stereo to all ch st, pure or direct.

Yeah, that's the kind of click I hear when going from 5.1 THX Ultra2 Cinema
to 2.0 Dolby Prologic IIx THX Cinema.
post #155 of 4713
Thread Starter 
I just noticed that the PR-SC5507 has an "extra" option under 1. Input/Ouput Assign->6.Gamma Curve...
10 individual gamma settings for each primary colour: Red, Green, Blue!
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post #156 of 4713
[/quote]Yeah, that's the kind of click I hear when going from 5.1 THX Ultra2 Cinema
to 2.0 Dolby Prologic IIx THX Cinema.[/quote]

No clicks from the 876, only with the codecs i mentioned.
All options within THX or SURR, or even switching between the 2, give no clicks.
Also, why would the amp click ?
I only think when you switch from 5.1 to 2.0 (Dolby or just Stereo) the x007
clicks to use just 2 amps instade of 5 (.1)
I my case i allready use ALL CH ST so the 876 only needs to use an other codec, so no switching or clicking needit.

Is there any specific reason why you want to use 2.0 Dolby when you have a 5.1 setup ?
post #157 of 4713
Thread Starter 
Quote:


Is there any specific reason why you want to use 2.0 Dolby when you have a 5.1 setup ?

No...
If I have a Dolby Digital 5.1 audio stream, the listening mode preset is set to THX Ultra2 Cinema which enables 7.1 upmixing from 5.1.
If I have a Dolby Digital 2.0 audio stream, the listening mode preset is set to Dolby Prologic IIx Movie THX Cinema which enables 7.1 upmixing from 2.0.
Both listening modes are outputting 7.1.
When going from THX Ultra2 Cinema with a Dolby Digital 5.1 audio stream to Dolby Prologic IIx Movie THX Cinema with a Dolby Digital 2.0 audio stream
the receiver clicks.
If I go the other way, there is no click.
post #158 of 4713
Hi,

i'm a bit confused..........

Can the 3007 run with a 11.1 setup or is it 9.1 ?
I want to know if its ok to use all the speakers outlets and so create:

Left front
Right front
center
Left High
Right High
Left Wide
Right Wide
Surr Left
Surr Right
Surr Back Left
Surr Back Right

And one sub.
post #159 of 4713
9.2 actually since you can run 2 subs.

You can not run heights and wides at the same time.
post #160 of 4713
Quote:
Originally Posted by yorknh View Post

9.2 actually since you can run 2 subs.

You can not run heights and wides at the same time.

Why not ?
When i count the speaker outlets on the back i count 11.....
post #161 of 4713
You can hook up 11 speakers, but you will not get output on the heights and wides at the same time. I don't know what the reason is specifically, because Onkyo doesn't say specifically. My guess is not enough DSP processing power or i/o limitations, because you can't do it via the preouts either, so it is not simply a matter of amplificatioon. Regardless, that's the way it is.
post #162 of 4713
Quote:
Originally Posted by yorknh View Post

You can hook up 11 speakers, but you will not get output on the heights and wides at the same time. I don't know what the reason is specifically, because Onkyo doesn't say specifically. My guess is not enough DSP processing power or i/o limitations, because you can't do it via the preouts either, so it is not simply a matter of amplificatioon. Regardless, that's the way it is.

This is what i found in the Online manual of the 3007.
In general, it will drive 11 speakers as seen in the graphic......

Or am i wrong ?

Also Audyssey DSX is made for the 11 speaker setup. No mention in the Onkyo manual that the 11 speaker setup is not possible or that not all speakers work.
see graphic
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post #163 of 4713
If you don't want to hear the answer, then don't ask the question.

edit:

Page 18 of the 1007 manual (probably the same page of the 3007):
"Note:
Front high and front wide speakers produce no sound at the same time."

Also refer to Selecting Speaker Layout section under Basic Operations (p65 of the 1007 manual)
post #164 of 4713
I have a 3007 set up into 9.1 channels. You CAN have a full 11 speakers setup but you can only run up to 9 main channels at a time in addition to the subs. There is a button on the remote that allows you to switch between the highs and wides if you have them all hooked up. There are only 9 channels of amplification and to my knowledge there are only enough DAC's to run up to 9.2 and not 11.2. It would be cool but I ain't losing any sleep over not using it.

Regarding the clicking or dropouts.... there 3007 makes a click sound everytime there is a signal change or if you switch inputs or soundfields. Changing from blah blah sound to blah blah sound EX or something (lol) will make this click. Never noticed any dropouts while watching movies but during some Xbox 360 plays there would be a momentary click but it was so fast some might not even notice it. Usually it would happen in some game menus or intense action causing slowdown and a possible audio dropout. It happened on my old AVR too. Not a big deal.
post #165 of 4713
anyone know if the clicking issue on the 3007 is firmware fixable? i have a 807 also, and there's no clicks on it, as far as i can remember
post #166 of 4713
Quote:
Originally Posted by yorknh View Post

If you don't want to hear the answer, then don't ask the question.

edit:

Page 18 of the 1007 manual (probably the same page of the 3007):
"Note:
Front high and front wide speakers produce no sound at the same time."

Also refer to Selecting Speaker Layout section under Basic Operations (p65 of the 1007 manual)

I missed that one, thanks, and its to bad that Onkyo didn't use this option to have Hight and Wide at the same time.
I seen on the Internet a movie about (i think) a new Denon with 11.2 and this drives 13 speakers (2 subs) but the price will be 3000 GBP......... :-(
post #167 of 4713
anyone know if the 3007 has a internal fan like the lower series onkyos like the 807?
post #168 of 4713
The 3007 and 5007 do have internal fan, but I haven't heard it in my 3007, so it must be either very very silent, or it fires up after much heavier load (I listem mostly at -40...-20dB or so).
If you're worried about the fan being audible, there's no need.

Neither would I be worried about the clicking relays when changing inputs, sound modes etc.., it really is normal behaviour.
I wouldn't mind some of the clicks being more silent (my old Sony STR-DB840QS clicked too when changing inputs, but it was much softer, but it was also positioned so that it dampened the clicks), but as they never happen in the middle of movie watching or listening to a CD, they don't really bother me at all.
post #169 of 4713
The fans (both of them) start working only under very heavy load and at temperatures above 55°C at the lowest. I never had it kick in on my unit.
But if they kick in, the sound level will be probably at such a level, you won't realize, that they are activated und running...

Quote:
Originally Posted by ufokillerz View Post

anyone know if the 3007 has a internal fan like the lower series onkyos like the 807?
post #170 of 4713
had to ask, i see a big fan in the 807, didnt notice one on the 3007, and because my 3007 was a open box that some doofus dropped on the corner where the surround left connectors are at. didn't see any fans when i opened the unit up for inspection, and got worried something is wrong.
post #171 of 4713
What would be a better and useble option, WIDE or HIGH speakers ?

Dolby will do only HIGH, Audyssey will do WIDE (or both but isn't possible on the 3007).
post #172 of 4713
Quote:
Originally Posted by CBdicX View Post

What would be a better and useble option, WIDE or HIGH speakers ?

Dolby will do only HIGH, Audyssey will do WIDE (or both but isn't possible on the 3007).

It really depends on your room and your preference. Audyssey recommends WIDE before HIGH which is what I went with.
post #173 of 4713
I have the original firmware on my 3007, and I have experienced the relay click issue a few times. I'm not even sure how something like that could happen since they normally only click when the source changes. I'll try updating the firmware and see if that helps.
post #174 of 4713
Quote:
Originally Posted by yorknh View Post

It really depends on your room and your preference. Audyssey recommends WIDE before HIGH which is what I went with.

And Dolby says that a 5.1 or 7.1 setup is based on Horizontal sounds, so the High speakers are the one to go for (according to Dolby !).
Also when a sound track will be addet to the 5.1 or 7.1 mix now, it will be Dolby and not Audyssey.
For the moment this is all future stuff and think its what a user likes.
post #175 of 4713
Thread Starter 
Released 19 November 2009

A firmware update for the TX-NR3007/NR5007/PR5507 network receiver/controller is now available through the unit’s network connection or USB input. Please note that this new update includes the content of the previous firmware update of 28 October 2009.

The firmware content originally released on 28 October 2009 (and included here)
1. improves picture quality for iPod/iPhone through the UP-A1 Dock for the iPod; and
2. enhances the operability of internet radio.

In addition to this, the firmware update released on 19 November 2009
3. improves the display of Chinese menus.



We hope you enjoy the improved functionality this firmware update provides to your Onkyo A/V receiver
post #176 of 4713
Thread Starter 
Interesting... The TX-NR1007 is NOT mentioned... but the TX-NR807 also has a new firmware today:

Released 19 November 2009


A firmware update for the TX-NR807 home network receiver is now available through the unit’s network connection. Please note that this new update includes the content of the previous firmware update of 18 September 2009.


The firmware content originally released on 18 September 2009 (and included here)
1. adds Windows 7 compatibility and enables the “Play to” function for audio streaming
from PCs running Windows 7; and
2. enhances picture quality for an iPod/iPhone connected through the UP-A1.

In addition to this, the firmware update released on 19 November 2009
3. improves sound-level balance in Bi-amp mode; and
4. reinforces the recovery capability of the update process.
post #177 of 4713
Finally.... got my 3007
First a few words about my setup.
I used to have 3 seperate amps to power my speakers.
They consist of custom built fronts with 16 inch woofers in a JBL Ti250 shape.
A center with 2 tweeters shooting both ways (one on the back and one on the front). Two Dali 104 functions as rear speakers.
And one custom built 30 inch subwoofer.
Everything was run by a TAE-9000ES Processor.

Now i run it all with the 3007, fronts in bridge mode (thanks to whoever told it works, you were right). Rears and center on the 3007 as well.
The Sub is connected to a Rotel 981 in bridge mode, enabling some quality 300+ watts.

I just connected it all and was greated with what i expected, total mess , is sounded like crap, very bad
Not a surprise, the old setup took me along time to get dialed in, with different speakers amps etc it was no surprise.

Then i ran Audessey, and viola, my setup have never sounded better, i cranked up the volume, so much that the lights started to blink,and yet, the sound was rock solid the highs were crystal clear and not harsh, it sounded and felt (hehe) like everything was in control.

I am very satisfied, and i barely scratched the surface on this thing, with a few adjustments it will be even better. And this was just with music
post #178 of 4713
Quote:
Originally Posted by rickardl View Post

Interesting... The TX-NR1007 is NOT mentioned... but the TX-NR807 also has a new firmware today:

Released 19 November 2009


A firmware update for the TX-NR807 home network receiver is now available through the unit's network connection. Please note that this new update includes the content of the previous firmware update of 18 September 2009.


The firmware content originally released on 18 September 2009 (and included here)
1. adds Windows 7 compatibility and enables the Play to function for audio streaming
from PCs running Windows 7; and
2. enhances picture quality for an iPod/iPhone connected through the UP-A1.

In addition to this, the firmware update released on 19 November 2009
3. improves sound-level balance in Bi-amp mode; and
4. reinforces the recovery capability of the update process.

These firmwares are not on us site I believe they are for EU only at this time at least the nov one.
post #179 of 4713
Thread Starter 
The 19th November firmware release bumped
Main version from 1.18 to 1.20 and
VIDEO from 1.12 to 1.13 for the 3007.

Quote:
Originally Posted by rickardl View Post

Released 19 November 2009

A firmware update for the TX-NR3007/NR5007/PR5507 network receiver/controller is now available through the unit’s network connection or USB input. Please note that this new update includes the content of the previous firmware update of 28 October 2009.

The firmware content originally released on 28 October 2009 (and included here)
1. improves picture quality for iPod/iPhone through the UP-A1 Dock for the iPod; and
2. enhances the operability of internet radio.

In addition to this, the firmware update released on 19 November 2009
3. improves the display of Chinese menus.



We hope you enjoy the improved functionality this firmware update provides to your Onkyo A/V receiver
post #180 of 4713
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rickardl View Post

The 19th November firmware release bumped
Main version from 1.18 to 1.20 and
VIDEO from 1.12 to 1.13 for the 3007

The EU site lists the 1007 as well:
We are pleased to offer this firmware update for the best possible performance of your AV Receiver.

This update will address the following items:

PR-SC5507, TX-NR5007, TX-NR3007
- Improves display of Chinese menus.

TX-NR1007
- Improves update functionality

TX-NR807
- Improves sound level balance in Bi-amp mode.
- Improves update functionality
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