The Onkyo TX-NR3007/TX-NR5007 common questions/issues/hints/answers thread - Page 134

Originally Posted by Jay5298

I have a question about Blu-ray discs with DTS-HD Master Audio 6.1 tracks. Can you use the THX modes with this type of audio? If I play a disc with a 5.1 track I can use either Dolby PLIIx Movie or THX Ultra2 Cinema and this duplicates the side surrounds to the rears as well as doing some processing correct? When I put in a 6.1 track (for instance Star Wars) my screen on the receiver says DTS Master Audio and not Dolby PLIIX Movie or whatever I have chosen as my processing. The only reason I ask is it was brought up in the "Star Wars" thread that episode IV ANH sounds a little harsh and some people suggested using a "THX" mode. From what I can see I can't use post processing when playing a 6.1 title, or somehow it's doing it behind the scenes and doesn't show on the receiver. Usually I wouldn't want to do any processing anyway but I just thought I would try this and see what the difference would be. I have a 3007 receiver.

Thanks

Originally Posted by Jay5298


Anybody?

Originally Posted by MarcusG


What are you using to power the fans? did you just drop a PC power supply in there or are you using some other method of providing current? I've found some prefabed ones for 39 per, 2 80mm fans to a 110v Converter plug, found here did you fab your own for less then that? Reason why I ask is the 3007 (which I'm getting back tomorrow, and better be fixed) is in a entertainment center that is partially enclosed and I was going to mount these in the back to provide airflow.

Originally Posted by NicksHitachi


I just finished episodes 1-3 and used Dolby plIIz movie for all of them since I use wides.

Is this the processing everyone with wides uses?

Originally Posted by NicksHitachi

I just finished episodes 1-3 and used Dolby plIIz movie for all of them since I use wides.

Is this the processing everyone with wides uses?

Originally Posted by Jay5298

I don't think you understood my question. I don't have any wide or height speakers. I was trying to use either THX Ultra2 Cinema or Dolby PLIIx Movie with a 6.1 DTS-HD Master Audio track like the one on the Star Wars movies. When I try and change the audio processing it still says DTS Master Audio on my display screen on the receiver and not THX Ultra2 Cinema like when I have a 5.1 track playing. As I understand it when I use THX Ultra2 Cinema with a 5.1 track it will duplicate the sound from the side surrounds and add them to the rear surrounds for 7.1 surround sound. When listening to 6.1 source the sound is already in the rear channels so it doesn't need to duplicate the sound. But shouldn't the receiver still be able to post process the sound with either THX or Dolby modes?

Originally Posted by kbarnes701


You can't use PLIIz with wides - it's Heights only. Did you mean PLIIx?

Kind Regards,

Keith

Originally Posted by NicksHitachi


Yes, my mistake PLIIx. Is this what most use who are using 9channels?

Originally Posted by NicksHitachi

Yes, my mistake PLIIx. Is this what most use who are using 9channels?

Originally Posted by kbarnes701

(If you wanted to sacrifice surround back channels and use Wides and Heights at the same time, then you can use DSX or Neo:X).

Kind Regards,

Keith

Originally Posted by NicksHitachi

OK thanks, thats what I thought.

I guess I'll try Neo:X and see how I like that......

On the heights and wides, I thought you had to pick one or the other? I understand the receiver only has one set of amps for both heights and wides, but if you use the pre-outs for the wides and use the on board amps for the heights(or vice versa) do you get heights and wides?

I read quite a bit about this sometime back but the consensus seemed to be heights or wides but not both on the 3007s.

I would very much like to use heights and wides but thought the 3007 would not do it. I am not interested in duplicating the heights or wides to achieve this though I'm too worried about comb filtering and cancellation.

Originally Posted by kbarnes701

It depends on what your 9 channels are. If they are LCR, SL, SR, SBL, SBR, FHL and FHR then you could use DSX, Neo:X or PLIIz. Only the latter three will produce any sound from your FHL and FHR speakers. Similarly, if you use LCR, SL, SR, SBL, SBR, FWL and FWR then you have just DSX and Neo:X available to power all speakers. PLIIx won't produce any output from Height channels and, AFAIK (I don't have Wides) nor will it from Wide channels.

IOW, if you want to use all 9 channels at the same time - and two of them are Wides - then you need either DSX or Neo:X. If you want to use all 9 channels at the same time and two of them are Heights, you can use DSX, Neo:X or PLIIz.

(If you wanted to sacrifice surround back channels and use Wides and Heights at the same time, then you can use DSX or Neo:X).

Kind Regards,

Keith

Originally Posted by MarcusG

Ok, Just got my Onkyo back, did a quick test, seems that the HDMI problem is fixed. I can't say I'm not a little disappointed, I would have liked getting a 3008 out of it. I'll update again once I get done running Multi EQ XT setup again and run a few different formats through it. I haven't tested Zone 2 yet either. I'm interested to see how everything performs now that it's been smashed by UPS and repaired again. I will determinately be buying the extended warranty.

Originally Posted by Al Sherwood

Great they repaired it, I hear you about the 3008, I too have the 3007, but now if I consider anything as a replacement for the 3007 it would be a x009 series, or I guess soon a x010?

Smashed by UPS!?

Originally Posted by MarcusG

Yeah, I never got the full story and probably never will.. UPS either dropped it or hit it with fork lift, the front plate wouldn't open and the back plat was pushed in somewhere between 1/2 -> 1 inches. The I'll have to go over the repair invoice today to see all that was replaced.

Originally Posted by ToeJam-NR5007

Tally another HDMI failure. More specifically, my TX-NR5007 bought in January 2010 finally failed permanently to provide sound through the internal amps for all HDMI sources. Since day 1, I've had to unplug the unit a few times a year to get audio to resume for HDMI sources, alas that "fix" no longer works. Interestingly, TV audio via HDMI has never failed even when this issue was present.

So off to the regional service facility it went yesterday (by car) for warranty service. In all other respects the unit has been flawless.

Originally Posted by kbarnes701

There are two different things going on here: decoding and processing.

Dolby Digital 5.1, DTS 5.1, DTS-HD MA, Dolby TrueHD, Dolby Digital EX, DTS-ES and so on are all decoding formats.

PLIIx, PLIIz, THX Cinema and so on are all processing formats.

The processing format is added 'on top' of the decoding format. Not all processing formats are available all the time - it depends on number of speakers active for example. THX Ultra2 Cinema may not be compatible with Dolby 6.1 sources and if so, then your AVR will not allow you to select it. There's an extensive set of diagrams in the user manual that show which processing modes are allowed with which speaker combinations.

Kind Regards,

Keith

Originally Posted by fitbrit

For x007 specifically:
Only DSX does wides on the x007 generation AVRs since Neo:X isn't an option with these models.

Originally Posted by NicksHitachi

OK thanks, thats what I thought.

I guess I'll try Neo:X and see how I like that......

On the heights and wides, I thought you had to pick one or the other? I understand the receiver only has one set of amps for both heights and wides, but if you use the pre-outs for the wides and use the on board amps for the heights(or vice versa) do you get heights and wides?

I read quite a bit about this sometime back but the consensus seemed to be heights or wides but not both on the 3007s.

I would very much like to use heights and wides but thought the 3007 would not do it. I am not interested in duplicating the heights or wides to achieve this though I'm too worried about comb filtering and cancellation.

Originally Posted by MarcusG

So far so good, I watched Fast Five (digital Copy on my media server) Avatar (BluRay) And Limitless (digital copy) Fast Five I had 10 below Reference, after relocating my sub to the back of the room to give it more breathing room. I got yelled at twice by the SO for scaring the rescue kittens. She even commented that it sounded like she was sitting outside a movie theater when in the back yard. I watched Avatar 28 below reference, Because the SO was taking a nap. Still sounded great.

Lets Just say that I'm excited to have my 3007 back and working for the first time as advertized. I got to pull a bunch of cables out of my set up being able to now just use HDMI. My SO even said she likes the sound so much better then the 12 year old pioneer we were borrowing from my neighbor (I had sold it to him when I got the 3007) I've been a pretty happy camper this weekend. Thanks to all for putting up with me while it was away.

Originally Posted by kbarnes701

I am so pleased you finally got it working properly. I wish I had half of your patience!

Kind Regards,

Keith

Originally Posted by MarcusG

Tell you what Keith,

next time you or AD are in Fort Worth Texas, you guys can come over and I'll tell you stories of how I learned that much patience,

Originally Posted by MarcusG

over a cold one, listening to some great sound coming from the 3007. I'm probably going to pick up transformers 3 because I hear that would be a great movie to show off what I built the HT for. We'll be watching that one at Reference. after I get permission from the SO of course

Originally Posted by prophetizer

i saw some mentions of people thinking 3D passthrough may work with the 3007, but nobody has posted if they tried it and had it working. also wondering if maybe it doesn't work, maybe it might work on an earlier firmware as onkyo tried to block it to encourage people to buy newer AVR.

Originally Posted by NicksHitachi

mine works.....

Originally Posted by NicksHitachi


mine works.....