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post #661 of 4713
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Originally Posted by xantari View Post

Unfortunately I don't really like that solution because when i'm watching a DD 5.1 movie and I'm forced to watch it in "all speaker stereo" that kind of sucks doesn't it? Basically defeating the whole purpose of having a surround sound system anyways. Very wierd for Onkyo's supposed flag ship product.

Guess I'll research if the Denon's have this issue, and if not I'll send this one back and go for a Denon.

The Denon's make no clicking sounds when the DD codec changes from 2.0 to 5.1.
post #662 of 4713
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Originally Posted by CBdicX View Post

I do understand your point.

But why pay a lot of $$ for a 9.x receiver when you use have ?
I have all speakers hooked up so when i watch BD i use PLIIx DSX and front high, when i listen to music or watch TV i set iy to ALL CH ST and use front wide.
I have the wide speaker not beside the fronts but in my PC corner so i have also great sounding stereo there
Bit of a different use of the extra speakers but this way i use it to its full potential.
I do think when i use DD 5.1 or HDmaster and use it in that way, so not through PLIIx DSX, it sounds a bit stonger, more power full.
Think the up converting to DSX takes a bit power out off the channels.
So i am still a bit switching around the audio modes..........

I think you are missing his point... when you put the receiver in ALL CH Stereo, you are not decoding the DD codec properly... which is why you would pay all that money in the first place.
post #663 of 4713
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post

The Denon's make no clicking sounds when the DD codec changes from 2.0 to 5.1.

Nor does my Onkyo TX-NR3007.
It doesn't matter if it is analog pcm stereo or dolby digital 2.0 with PLIIx Movie,
it doesn't click when I switch to a Dolby 5.1 soundtrack for which I use THX Ultra2 Cinema.
post #664 of 4713
I just re-ran audyssey [post addition of FH speakers] and now am experiencing a odd volume limitation. The 3007 will not allow me to dial in higher than a +14. This seems to be "max". The 0 refernce level volume seems correct and all speakers sound spot on. Is there a potential setting I am missing or have triggered that would cause this limit?
post #665 of 4713
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Originally Posted by richardyc View Post

finally added the 2 front height speakers to my HT, and did the audyssey setup again. I did notice one weird thing. When I am switching from audyssey dsx 9.2 wide mode by pressing the SP layout button on the remote to wide/SB to Height/SB to see which mode I'd like better, it would change 9.2w to 7.2 instead of 9.2H. When I press the display button on the remote, it is showing as 7.2, so it is not activating the 2 height channels. Does your unit do the same thing?

No its not !
When i press SP it switches with out problems to High or Wide and stays 9.x mode.......
I have the 3007 with the 1.05 software version.
post #666 of 4713
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Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post

I think you are missing his point... when you put the receiver in ALL CH Stereo, you are not decoding the DD codec properly... which is why you would pay all that money in the first place.

I am not decoding DD codecs, i use All CH ST for TV (stereo), Internet Radio (stereo) and iPod through USB also stereo.
Today i changed the BD audio settings from PLIIx DSX to the specific modes, so HDmaster to Master Audio, DSD to DSD, ect ect, instade all modes to PLIIx DSX.
Found that PLIIx DSX is a bit less power full then the original modes.
The 3007 clicks ones from the standard sound mode to the specific movie mode, my TX-876 did this also.
post #667 of 4713
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Originally Posted by richardl View Post

Yes, as long as the listener is not fooled into thinking that Direct/Pure Audio by itself provides a "pure", clean, unaffected sound in an untreated room.
I get the feeling many use Direct/Pure Audio believing they will get a clean
sound and they simply doesn't grasp the impact the room has on the end result and they are mislead to believe that it should sound like that.
The old saying "Ignorance is bliss" comes to mind...

I totally agree with you but must add that the “Ignorance is bliss” axiom also applies to the use of EQ systems including Audyssey. So it never hurts IMO to encourage people to try out all features of their equipment rather than dissuade them based on generalizations that don‘t always apply. Especially if tweaking helps people understand how things work enabling them to make more informed choices about equipment use and future purchases.
post #668 of 4713
Anyone know where to find the RS232 commands for these NR receivers? I'm specifically looking for the nr3007 but I would assume the 5007 would be the same as well as perhaps the 1007. I'm having no luck finding them
post #669 of 4713
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by || Vitty || View Post

Anyone know where to find the RS232 commands for these NR receivers? I'm specifically looking for the nr3007 but I would assume the 5007 would be the same as well as perhaps the 1007. I'm having no luck finding them

I only have v1.13, 18 March 2009, which does not include the newer models.
It contains up to these models: TX-SR876/TX-SA876/TX-SA806X,DTR-8.9/DTX-8.9,DHC-9.9/PR-SC886,TX-NR906/TX-NA906/TX-NA906X,DTR-9.9/DTX-9.9,DTR-20.1/30.1.
post #670 of 4713
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Originally Posted by rickardl View Post

Nor does my Onkyo TX-NR3007.
It doesn't matter if it is analog pcm stereo or dolby digital 2.0 with PLIIx Movie,
it doesn't click when I switch to a Dolby 5.1 soundtrack for which I use THX Ultra2 Cinema.

I admit to not having an Onkyo at the moment, but it has been universally mentioned here that the Onkyo's click..

And Onkyo has stated to one of it's dealers it is not fixable with firmware, and is the normal way this unit works...

Am I missing something here?
post #671 of 4713
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post

I admit to not having an Onkyo at the moment, but it has been universally mentioned here that the Onkyo's click..

And Onkyo has stated to one of it's dealers it is not fixable with firmware, and is the normal way this unit works...

Am I missing something here?

The Onkyos does some relay clicking, that much is correct, but mine does not do any relay clicking in the scenarios I mentioned.
post #672 of 4713
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Originally Posted by rickardl View Post

The Onkyos does some relay clicking, that much is correct, but mine does not do any relay clicking in the scenarios I mentioned.

The reports are that when watching broadcast tv, over satellite for example, that the Onkyo's click when some stations change formats, on commercials for example...

I've seen quite a few post by users of the newer x007 series AVR''s and 5507 preamp that find it quite objectionable...

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Originally Posted by xantari View Post

I am also experiencing the relay clicking and it's very annoying. It happens a LOT during commericials while watching satellite TV. I'm half tempted to go back to my old receiver, there was NO clicking until I switched video inputs (Onkyo TX-DS797). Even playing the XBOX 360 there is periodic clicks depending on what you do in the UI.

I imagine this is going to dramatically shorten the life of the relays in this receiver. Does anyone have a fix yet?!? I'd hate to pay for shipping to send this thing back!

As I stated earlier, a dealer in the 5507 thread talked to his Onkyo rep... it is not a "fixable" issue, but rather a design choice.

I was ready to take the plunge, but this issue (along with a few others) kept me from going down the Onkyo route.

The Denon's do not do that....

Hope that clears it up.
post #673 of 4713
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post

The reports are that when watching broadcast tv, over satellite for example, that the Onkyo's click when some stations change formats, on commercials for example...

I've seen quite a few post by users of the newer x007 series AVR''s and 5507 preamp that find it quite objectionable...



As I stated earlier, a dealer in the 5507 thread talked to his Onkyo rep... it is not a "fixable" issue, but rather a design choice.

I was ready to take the plunge, but this issue (along with a few others) kept me from going down the Onkyo route.

The Denon's do not do that....

Hope that clears it up.

Hmmm... 5507 thread? Onkyo rep? I just read there that someone had asked Onkyo if the THX listening modes were applicable with the DTS/Dolby HD audio formats for the 5507 and got the answer "no" which is totally not the case with my TX-NR3007.
Apparently he didn't ask the right question or the person who answered didn't know what he was replying to... either way, it is wrong for my Onkyo...
THX Ultra2 Cinema works fine together with DTS HD MR 7.1 or Dolby TrueHD 7.1.

Now, back to the clicking: Like I said, there is some relay clicking and I DO get relay clicking when the audio switches FROM Dolby Digital 5.1 (THX Ultra2 Cinema) to 2.0 dolby or PCM (PLIIx Movie) but I don't find that too much disturbing.
post #674 of 4713
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Originally Posted by rickardl View Post

Hmmm... 5507 thread? Onkyo rep? I just read there that someone had asked Onkyo if the THX listening modes were applicable with the DTS/Dolby HD audio formats for the 5507 and got the answer "no" which is totally not the case with my TX-NR3007.
Apparently he didn't ask the right question or the person who answered didn't know what he was replying to... either way, it is wrong for my Onkyo...

Apparently, you didn't find the right posts... this was part of the discussion after the recent FW update..

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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

I wonder if this update addresses the relay clicking mentioned by several 5507/80.1 owners when audio formats are changed (channel changes or FF of a DVR/Tivo)?

Bill

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Originally Posted by RichB View Post

It took about 1/2 hour to upgrade.
There is no change to the clicking behaviour.
Multiple clicks when FF in TiVo.

Clicks each time the sound format changes.

I do not think FW will fix it.

- Rich

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Originally Posted by alanl715 View Post

The clicking is a normal operation for the unit as per Tech Asst. @ 1:25pm cst 12/22/10
There is NO remedy/fix.

As I said, it is part of the units design..

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Now, back to the clicking: Like I said, there is some relay clicking and I DO get relay clicking when the audio switches FROM Dolby Digital 5.1 (THX Ultra2 Cinema) to 2.0 dolby or PCM (PLIIx Movie) but I don't find that too much disturbing.

Earlier you said....

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Originally Posted by rickardl View Post

Nor does my Onkyo TX-NR3007.
It doesn't matter if it is analog pcm stereo or dolby digital 2.0 with PLIIx Movie,
it doesn't click when I switch to a Dolby 5.1 soundtrack for which I use THX Ultra2 Cinema.

Unless I'm missing something, you are completely contradicting yourself.. please explain.
post #675 of 4713
I have to ask if I’m missing something here about the relay clicking (I don’t watch much TV). Is it actually effecting program material or just during commercials? If it’s not effecting program material then why is it receiving so much attention? Is it sending an audible pop through the speakers or doing something else that might cause damage?
post #676 of 4713
I assume its seeing so much attention as more people are now buying these units and don't use them in an enclosed closet or cabinet.

Probably sitting out in the open which allows them to hear all the relays clicking.

Is this normal? Yes. My older onkyo did it, my 876 did it, so did my 906, and now my 5007.

Do others do it? YES. Denon, harmon kardon, Yamaha etc....

Do they do it as much or often? I dunno. Each has their own desgin and ways they handle DSP and switching audio. Is the onkyo a little more noticeable? Most likely but you are paying $2200 for a unit in any other brand that would cost around $4000. I'll deal with the clicking for the astounding price.

And no it is not hurting anything.
post #677 of 4713
Thanks for the explanation. I bought and recommended this series of units to a few people based on the price/performance and wanted to make sure there wasn’t some serious issue I was leading them into. Mine is in an adjacent room with the rest of my equipment so I guess I’m not as exposed to it, nor can I imagine caring if it clicks during commercials.
post #678 of 4713
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Originally Posted by rickardl View Post

I only have v1.13, 18 March 2009, which does not include the newer models.
It contains up to these models: TX-SR876/TX-SA876/TX-SA806X,DTR-8.9/DTX-8.9,DHC-9.9/PR-SC886,TX-NR906/TX-NA906/TX-NA906X,DTR-9.9/DTX-9.9,DTR-20.1/30.1.

I have put in an email to Onkyo. I hear this is how you get the codes. Would you like me to share the file/s with you if/when they send them to me?
post #679 of 4713
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Originally Posted by Dalumberjack View Post

I assume its seeing so much attention as more people are now buying these units and don't use them in an enclosed closet or cabinet.

Probably sitting out in the open which allows them to hear all the relays clicking.

Is this normal? Yes. My older onkyo did it, my 876 did it, so did my 906, and now my 5007..

I must say my 876 also clicked but not as much as the 3007 i have now.
I do find the clicks to be a bit louder, but its also a sign its doing something
What i do not like is the fact that its clicking away when i use the listening mode button, so when i am trying the different audio modes.
And the most strange thing is that sometimes its not clicking at all when i am changing the modes
Why ? i don't know.........

I do have other strange problems.
When i used audio modes what uses front wide or front high my left front speaker starts to make a noise like static electricity on ALL sources.
(used or un-used sources !)
I can hear this on normal listening levels (but very faint) but after volume level 60 its is very much there, but only on the left front speaker.
I can also hear it when its doing Audyssey setup, Audyssey starts with left front, no problem, it starts to do the wide and heigh speakers and there it is again.....

Receiver has been to the repair shop for an other problem (new HDMI board) and mentioned also this problem, but it came back still with this strange problem.
So i guess they can not track the problem.
I have tried switching HDMI cables, switching speakers, switching inputs, using other power outlets, but no luck in tracking down the problem.
And sometimes for days i do not hear the noise, and then out of the blue its back..................

But i still like the 3007 with all its great options.........

PS. Net/Usb, Direct, Pure and Stereo have this problem NOT !
post #680 of 4713
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Originally Posted by CBdicX View Post

When i used audio modes what uses front wide or front high my left front speaker starts to make a noise like static electricity on ALL sources.
(used or un-used sources !)

Very interesting. I had something very similar happen to me. All of a sudden I noticed a static electricity sound coming from my left front speaker even when not playing any output. It was present to some degree in all listening modes but worse in some than others. I turned the system off and back on and switched through multiple modes and it wouldn’t stop. Turned everything off went to bed. Turned it back on in the morning expecting I’d be taking it back for an exchange and the sound was gone in all listening modes. I just chalked it up to my system picking up interference from something (my Denon sometimes had a very faint radio source coming from the center channel (no FM or other radio hooked up). Based on what you said maybe there was something more to the static sound. This only happened to me once (hope I didn’t just jinx myself) and my system is on at least 70 hours a week.
post #681 of 4713
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post

As I said, it is part of the units design..

Some relay clicking where you could expect it, yes. Or, when I can expect it...
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Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post

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Originally Posted by rickardl View Post

Now, back to the clicking: Like I said, there is some relay clicking and I DO get relay clicking when the audio switches FROM Dolby Digital 5.1 (THX Ultra2 Cinema) to 2.0 dolby or PCM (PLIIx Movie) but I don't find that too much disturbing.


Earlier you said....
Quote:
Originally Posted by rickardl View Post

Nor does my Onkyo TX-NR3007.
It doesn't matter if it is analog pcm stereo or dolby digital 2.0 with PLIIx Movie,
it doesn't click when I switch to a Dolby 5.1 soundtrack for which I use THX Ultra2 Cinema.

Unless I'm missing something, you are completely contradicting yourself.. please explain.

I have underlined the subtle difference...
Here is another post I wrote some time ago which sums it up:
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Originally Posted by rickardl View Post

Relay clicking does not occur per se for me if I switch input source.
Relay clicking occurs for me when I switch from DD 5.1 audio to 2.0 audio. But not from 2.0 to 5.1.
But if changing input sources does imply switch from DD 5.1 audio to 2.0 audio, it will cause clicking.
post #682 of 4713
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by || Vitty || View Post
I have put in an email to Onkyo. I hear this is how you get the codes. Would you like me to share the file/s with you if/when they send them to me?
Sure! I am appending the one I got.

Another doc that would be even more welcome is the discrete remote control codes for 2009 models. Almost all codes from the 2008 models work with the 2009 models but not all so an updated doc would be nice.

 

Onkyo_RS-232_RCVR_031809(1).zip 143.7197265625k . file
post #683 of 4713
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by grunt11 View Post

Thanks for the explanation. I bought and recommended this series of units to a few people based on the price/performance and wanted to make sure there wasn't some serious issue I was leading them into. Mine is in an adjacent room with the rest of my equipment so I guess I'm not as exposed to it, nor can I imagine caring if it clicks during commercials.

If I would watch a movie with DD 5.1 (THX Ultra2 Cinema) and the movie would end and the audio would be switched to DD 2.0/PCM 2.0 (PLIIx Movie),
I would get a relay click. If the same scenario would apply for a commerical break, I would also get a relay click.
post #684 of 4713
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Originally Posted by grunt11 View Post

Very interesting. I had something very similar happen to me. All of a sudden I noticed a static electricity sound coming from my left front speaker even when not playing any output. It was present to some degree in all listening modes but worse in some than others. I turned the system off and back on and switched through multiple modes and it wouldn’t stop. Turned everything off went to bed. Turned it back on in the morning expecting I’d be taking it back for an exchange and the sound was gone in all listening modes. I just chalked it up to my system picking up interference from something (my Denon sometimes had a very faint radio source coming from the center channel (no FM or other radio hooked up). Based on what you said maybe there was something more to the static sound. This only happened to me once (hope I didn’t just jinx myself) and my system is on at least 70 hours a week.

When you had (or have) it also it seems to me its something that the receiver is doing, but what ?
I did send a mail about this problem to Audyssey and they replied with this:

This sounds to me like a hardware problem with your unit. There is nothing that the software could be doing to generate this noise. Furthermore, it has been tested on that model and certified to be working correctly. My suggestion is to contact Onkyo service to have them repair or replace the unit.

The reason it could sound louder when DSX is on could be that there is some left channel signal shared by the Wide (or Height) channel depending on which one is on at the time. So, if there is some noise generated in the electronics it could be coming out of more than one speaker (and just sound like it's coming from the left direction).

Regards,
Chris


As my reciever been to Onkyo repair and the "problem" is still there, it seems to me they can not trace the problem through normal tests.
It is also difficult as the sound is not allways pressent.
But one way or the other it must be a hardware problem and must be solved by Onkyo.
And i do think all the x007 series must have this problem but as it occurs in specific situations not all users have heard this jet (or never will....).

I will mail this problem again to Onkyo (Europe) hope you and others will do the same for there country and hopefull this will be solved.
I am now trying a way around this.
I start DVD-BD in Direct mode (so have all the stereo audio modes to Direct) and only the 5.1 and 7.1 modes to the specific modes.
Hopefull with the Direct mode start, the noise will not be activated.
post #685 of 4713
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Originally Posted by Ewingr View Post

I am having prolems with my remote. Probably 'operator error'.

When I select Zone2, and do somethign, then later want to use it in the Main Zone, it is still on Zone 2. Given that teh zone selection button has selections only for Zone 2 and Zone 3, not Main, the only way I've been able to get it to main is pull the batteries.

My expectations are that when the red light behind Zone button goes out, it should be set for Main again. I think it was that way at first.

Any suggestions?

Press the "Receiver" button to switch back to main.
post #686 of 4713
I don't want to blow a lot of money on speakers right now I bought the nr3007 for the long haul and the speakers are not that important to me at this point in time.

For an office confrence room/ AV room setup that's about 15x30 in size with the screen on on of the 15' walls.

I was thinking of using a soundbar type setup... anyone using a soundbar with one of these receivers?

If not soundbar then how about little (small as possible) speakers?

For a small Home tv viewing room.. Not ideal by the least....

20x15 with the screen in one of the corners...

ARe there some entry level to moderate speaker packages (< $800.00) that you could recommend?
post #687 of 4713
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Originally Posted by rickardl View Post

Sure! I am appending the one I got.

Another doc that would be even more welcome is the discrete remote control codes for 2009 models. Almost all codes from the 2008 models work with the 2009 models but not all so an updated doc would be nice.

I was already asking Onkyo for that file (discrete IR codes), the answer was: it's confidential, they will not make it public.
post #688 of 4713
Here are the latest/greatest IR and RS232 codes for what appears to be all Onkyo receivers. Looks like the file pegs them as current as of 8/31/2009.

 

Onkyo_IR_RCVR_083109.zip 208.109375k . file

 

Onkyo_RS-232_RCVR_083109.zip 183.0947265625k . file
post #689 of 4713
Question for people having 'clicking' issues: are your AVRs out in the open (as opposed to being in a cabinet), and how far away?

I have a 1007 and have never noticed any clicking problems. Mine is ~ 10 ft away, in an equipment cabinet (but open in front and back). I rarely change listening modes, having them set to PLIIx Music DSX for both hdtv and BluRay.
post #690 of 4713
Mine is inside a cabinet. I can hear the clicks, but it's not too bad. But it was not a surprise for me. My previous Onkyo did the same thing.

It never clicks duruing the show (whether TV, or movie). it is alwasy when switching to different content, such as a commercial or something.

So, for me, most of the clicking would be while watching TV, and I watch most TV via DVR and skip through the commercials anway.
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