Originally Posted by Church AV Guy
I'll have to do some additional research on this CitiBear. I use my EH59s HDMI output, so I'm not sure how the composite output looks with a standard DVD as source. I've never been too concerned about the black level issue, so maybe jjeff could help with this. It is a real issue with him. I'll do some testing though.
Thanks for looking into it. If I'm reading you correctly, you are not seeing a significant IRE issue with the EH59 connected to your TV via HDMI. This leads me to think its the lesser of two evils: not inherent in the recordings, just hardware playback mismatch via EH59 analog outputs. That I could live with, no big deal. But I'll cross-reference with jjeff as you recommended.
I have looked and never found a SCART to RGB cable. [...] The manual seems to imply that it SHOULD work
They are available but not easily from USA vendors. Amazon.uk has them, as in this
example. Apparently they are rare even in EU (and largely dysfunctional) because the regional decoder boxes all output RGB via SCART, and most TVs/recorders with RGB input use SCART, so all you'd typically need is a SCART>SCART RGB cable. I was fairly sure the EH59 and 69 do *not* have an RGB (SCART Component) input option, but thought I'd ask you anyway. One never knows when an undocumented feature might be discovered.
Originally Posted by dieselrat
Something else, does anyone know anything about HDMI-CEC which is derived from SCART and is used in the available HDD Blu-Ray recorders?? I am considering one of these units but really need to understand better my options for HD inputs on these devices since they are not available with tuners to pick up our HD signal.......
Think twice, and then a third time, before attempting import of a PAL-spec BluRay recorder for use in North America. It is a common misconception that recorders in European countries are used in the same manner as in USA, but they are not. In USA, an overwhelming percentage of people get their TV signal from a proprietary cable or satellite decoder box, so it would be natural to assume any high-def recorder would require high-def external line inputs. This is in fact one of the underlying reasons BluRay recorders were never marketed here: they would force open the high-def analog loophole that BD was invented to close in the first place.
In Europe, the majority of people get their TV signal from off-air broadcasts or standardized satellite broadcasts: there is no cable, and minimal penetration of proprietary external decoder boxes. So all the higher-end DVD and BluRay recorders incorporated built-in off-air and
satellite tuners, similar to how you can buy audio products that include Sirius/XM tuners along with AM/FM. Very, very few PAL-spec recorders were equipped with component/RGB inputs for external analog HDTV sources (virtually none, zero, have HDMI inputs). AFAIK, the only BluRay recorders equipped with the RGB input option (via SCART) were the top-line, most-expensive Panasonic of each model year. 90% of Panasonic PAL BluRay recorders cannot record from High Def sources other than their built-in tuners and select camcorders via USB/FireWire. SCART input is limited to standard def on most Panasonics, they cannot be switched to RGB.
If you managed to import one of the three or four RGB-input capable Panasonic BD/HDD units, along with a SCART>RGB/Component input adapter cable, you theoretically would be able to record the high-def component analog output from a North American decoder box. There's a significant chance it wouldn't work, however: the easy switchability between PAL and NTSC input found in the EH series of DVD recorders was not carried over to Panasonic BD recorders in exactly the same way. The "international" EH59/69 were designed as stopgap, obsolete, analog-only recorders primarily for generic analog PAL broadcasts with occasional NTSC line input. The Panasonic BluRay lineup has no such "generic, international, grey market" model: they were quite specifically designed for PAL digital broadcasts in the EU or Australia/NZ. No concessions were made to facilitate their use with NTSC input: I would not want to bet $600-$800 on the assumption they could record HD from a USA/Canada decoder box via SCART RGB. If they accept NTSC input at all, it would likely be limited to standard-def.Edited by CitiBear - 9/10/13 at 4:30pm