Acer H5360 HD3D (DLP 1280x720) Video Projector - Page 21

Can you report on whether 3DBD playback is smooth on your system? I notice your card is about as powerful as mine, if not slightly less and my CPU is an i7 compared to your i3 yet I'm getting some significant stuttering.
Cheers.

Quite smooth. I only played for about 30 min since no glasses yet. But no stuttering or anything alarming.

Are you playing a BD disk? I ask because some others have suggested the BD player firmware may not be up to-date...?

Well, false negatives may limit the value of this tool...
In my case, I had to fix a few things to get a "pass" result.
Then for 3D playback settings I was able to use the "automatically select best option" (or some such option) and viola! all was well....

Also, you are using a laptop, correct? Not sure if that makes a difference, your processor speed I think is slower...

ok so I had a few minutes to play with the acer projector during my lunch break. It's detecting ok in the system using an hdmi cable into a nvidia 210 card. I have it set to 1280x720 @120hz, but i'm getting a lot of the windows desktop/picture cut off due to over/underscan no matter what resolution I set it to. When i open up the nvidia control panel it shows native resolution: 1920x1080 current resolution: 1280x720. Newest nvidia drivers as of two days ago. The acer h5360 is the only monitor attached and shows as display 1 with nothing else. Any idea how to fix this?

Hmm after looking over the user guide, I may have adjusted the aspect ratio accidentally. I'll have to check when I get home from work.

I'm using ISO's mounted in DVDfab.

yep, processor is an i7 quad core running at 1.6ghz with a 2.8ghz 'turbo mode' which is supposed to be active when the laptop is plugged in.........not sure what tools are at my disposal to check what speed the processor is running at at any given time.
Checked the CPU loads when the player was stuttering and it was around 65% so not as if it was maxed out or anything. Average CPU usage while playing is around 30%, if that.

I want to try out 3D, but honestly, the RBE on these things scares me as I am apparently in the group of "super sensitive".
Even the RBE on a Mits hc3800 was troublesome at times, although I could lived with it.

Any new word on how the Benq w600+ compares to the HD66 to the Acer?
Has the HD66 got any 3D compatibility updates or is it a viable solution for bluray + gaming, or is it still the Acer that reigns supreme and the others got too many 3D compat issues?

What do ya'll think?

fixed my issue with it.. was aspect ratio set to 4:3. Very nice so far. Get to play with 3d on it tomorrow when the glasses arrive

threed123 -- I already have all the parts for my "new" desktop PC (to replace my old one) sitting in my Family Room. All those part were purchased over a year ago, including a HDMI Video card for it. I've just been too busy to get it assembled.

I needed a BD drive anyway, so I went ahead and added an EVGA GT430 (Nvidia) card to that order. I can go with a HTPC, if needed, since that was part of my original plan when I bought the PC components -- primarily for viewing my digital photographs and movies recorded with my PVR.

Now that I have my Oppo BDP-93, that function is no longer needed. The -93 has the capability of playing videos directly from an external HDD (or my local network).

The trade-off I have now, is the best way to have 3D on "the big screen", with two set of shutter glasses. Option 1: the Nvidia glasses kit + one extra pair of glasses. Option 2: a DLP-Link solution (Optoma, Viewsonic, or equivalent) with DLP-Link glasses (Viewsonic, UltraClear, or equivalent). Option 1 is less expensive in the short run, but requires my completing the assembly of my HTPC. Option 2 is a matter of hooking it up.

Both options require that I buy the H5360, of course. From what I've read, it seems to be a better choice than the competing Optoma HD66.

coderguy -- I'm in the same boat as you, regarding RBE. From what I've read, so far, the Acer H5360 seems to be the best of the lot. My biggest problem is that I cannot find any real information on the color wheels (CW) of these DLP PJs. The HD66 seems to have more mention of observed RBE (but that may be just my impression).

The HD66 does have a 5 segment color wheel (not good for low RBE). Some place I read that the H5360 had a 6 segment color wheel, but no data on what those segments are (hopefully RGBRGB -- preferred). I cannot find that reference again ().

One owner, that I trust (zombie10k), said that his H5360 has virtually no RBE, in its 3D mode (showed up occasionally in movie titles & credits). He is more sensitive to RBE than most (but might not be as sensitive as you and me). He did say that its RBE was worse in its 2D mode. Fortunately, I have a good 2D PJ (3-LCD unit), so I would be using the H5360 only for 3D. Apparently the 120Hz mode used for 3D, helps to reduce the RBE by a significant amount (gives the visual impression of a CW running at double the 2D speed).

I had a 720p DLP PJ (OEM version of the BenQ PE7700) for a while (it failed due to a design defect). It had a 4x, 6-segment (RGBRGB), color wheel, and had no visible RBE that I could detect. I also saw an InFocus 4805 (also a 4x, 6-segment, CW) in a Magnolia store, and its RBE made me sick. So we both have to be careful, not all DLPs are made the same.

I tried to find out more info on the BenQ W600+. The only things I did find was that: it was brighter than the others, it was very noisy (very loud fans), it was more expensive, and its release date has not been announced. Since I have to mount the PJ about 2' from my head, the fan noise takes it completely out of my consideration.

I am really really sensitive when it comes to the RBE.
I have the H5360 for 3 weeks now, in the beginning I had it plugged to my PS3 and I could see some RBE but still not as bad as i've seen on other DLP PJ.
I now have it plugged to my PC because I want to use Nvidia 3D Vision I must say that now even in 2D when running on 120hz and i'm sitting 6 feet away from it at a 100" I don't see any RBE anymore so i'm really happy.
I guess it's less when running at a 120hz.
I hope that helps for people that are like me and are really sensitive to RBE.
In the Acer .pdf it says the colorwheel runs at 3x

I believe the 5360 has a clear or white segment to produce the white flash required for dlplink--same for HD66. It's the 3X speed that would be the RBE issue, but as others have said, it's minimal and 120hz does help minimize it further.

fyi..there a h5360 discussion thread over in the 3D Display forum that also has good info for getting your projector/htpc to work properly.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...1286043&page=9

my latest battle with TMT5: It kept locking up on startup, so I would reboot mayber 2 or 3 times, then it would work. Then next time I booted, it would lock up again. So I did a repair on it, and this time did not load the latest patch, and now it works fine.

Also, if you want to see bad 2D to 3D conversion, watch Piranha--oye. It's about as bad as it gets. That's if you can get by the inane teenage-wild-party-on-a-lake-drunk-fest plot that takes up half the movie--and some gratuitous bikini dancing and underwater nudes...it's your perfect man-cave movie. But do yourself a favor and have a 6 pack and lots of popcorn on hand--better yet, drink half the 6 pack before you start watching.

Thanks, but your link isn't very uesful to me. Just referencing to a page doesn't work, since I'm not using the default #posts/page. Please provide a link to a post or give me the post number (the first one, if there are several posts that I should look at). I went back into that thread, but I couldn't find what I thought you were suggesting.

Thank you for the help, though. I know you meant well. I will save that entire thread and read it later. I do appreciate a link to that thread, it looks like it can be useful to me.

BTW, I've read (in other threads) that TMT5 and PowerDVD are incompatible. You have to completely delete one of them, in order to get your choice to work, without hiccups. I'm not sure if that's what is happening to you, but it's one thing to consider.

CT_Wiebe: I just meant the link in general. I didn't have a specific reply for you.

As for TMT5 and PDVD10--yes, they would simply not work together, plus PDVD10 would stutter and audio would get out of sync for me. I'm staying with TMT5 without the latest patch. I had to delete PDVD10, reboot, then repair TMT5 to get it to work--it works fine now. I also gave up on Nvidia and 3D vision as I couldn't get the dlplink glasses to work outside of 6 feet from my screen. Must just be my issue though as others have them working fine. I also bought more memory--had 2gb, now have 6gb, and that seems to help other issues I've been having. Plus don't know if you read that I changed operating systems from windows 7 pro 64 bit to windows 7 home 32 bit and the 32-bit ATI drivers now force stereo without the registry hack.

After the excitement, I'll share some strange issues I'm currently having with my acer; long story short: when playing from my pc (gtx480, i5 quad, 4gb ddr3) I see an awful lot of red artifacts floating around.

At first I thought that my vga was dying; so I hooked up the pc to the plasma, and everything's fine.

The projector is also fine, since with other sources there are no problems at all.

Anyone has any idea what's happening? Even "creative" explanations are welcome at this point, since I tried everything: new drivers, old ones, removing the gpu and putting it back, changed a few cables, changed connection, etc.

The odd part is that while games have this issue, when running a benchmark (furmark) everything is rendering correctly, even when displayed on the acer.

I received and got everything setup yesterday and WOW everyone was right about the Acer. The 3D is outstanding! By far the best I’ve ever seen (commercial and flat panel) period end of story. I’m projecting it on a 125” 1.1 cinewhite elite screen and sit about 14 feet away and use the nvidia kit with 3 glasses total and TMT5.

Avatar, Avatar, Avatar! Woe sweet motha of jesus! All I can say is I was smiling from ear to ear through the whole movie! Seriously though I was absolutely blown away folks. Let me start off by stating that my IMAX Avatar experience (real imax 6 stories tall) was incredible and its what struck my interest in 3d at home. I honestly didn’t believe or should I say expected the Acer to achieve the same. I stand corrected folks. Avatar on the Acer in 3d is, put simply, mind blowing. The 3d pop and immersion was outstanding and at times, breathtaking! Tons of IN YOUR FACE 3d pop, much much more pop then what I saw at the IMAX. My 17 old son couldn’t believe how much better it was. We both sat through the whole movie in sheer amazement.

I also played COD MW and came away very impressed as well. But I must say it was very weird at first and a little trippy. Played for about 10 minutes and started feeling dizzy so I turned it off. I will explore games more once I get use to the 3d.

The Acer is a light cannon in 2d and produces a very good picture using movie mode and adjusting the HDMI black level to limited. In 3d the brightness was very respectable on my 125” screen and for only 549.99 the h5360 is a steel!

Setup on the Acer was a bit tricky. At first I was having all kinds of problems with the emitter and glasses. It’s critical that you run the setup wizard and choose the last option for the emitter (can’t remember exactly what it says, at work right now) and be sure to setup the resolution to 720p and 120hz. Also put the Acer in 3D mode (nvidia 3d) using the remote. Set the 3d effect to 50% in the nvidia control panel and 50% in TMT5.

I had tons of trouble using my Denon 3808ci for sound. Heres my setup, DVI to HDMI to the acer and hdmi to hdmi to the receiver. Problem is the computer see the receiver as a monitor, and if you disable it in the display properties I don’t get any audio from the Denon. I got it working but I’m not sure if I setup it up the best way. What I did was set the Acer as the main display and in the nvida control panel display options I set the acer to be used for video. I disabled audio to the acer, set the denon as the default audio device and configured the speakers to 7.1. That seems to be working for now but I’m not sure if I’m getting HD audio (DTS-MA/TruHD) to the receiver. On the OSD of the receiver it just says 7.1 PCM (I think). It still sounds good tho and it will have to do for now.

Well folks thanks for letting me share! The Acer h5360 is a no brainer if you want amazing 3d at the house without breaking the bank and willing to deal with setting up a htpc.

Cheers!

What kind of cable and how long is it? I assume hdmi? I use a DVI to hdmi 20ft. cable and it works fine, but as lots of us found out when cabling in the past couple of years, there is a big difference between cables of the same posted specs. Get at least a 1.3 28 gauge minimum. For longer runs, 26 or 24.

I have also seen these types of artifacts with a loose pin in the cable plug for dvi or hdmi that doesn't quite fit properly--wiggle it.

there's a thread here: http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=191096

on hacking the Acer .inf file so your computer sees the pj as the Acer and not your receiver. Then you can use use the Hd audio codecs (if your card supports them) without any additional cabling. Worked for me with my GT 430 card and Onkyo 1007 receiver.

Thanks but it looks like that hack is strickly for 3D ready receivers and using said receiver as a passthough (pc-hdmi-reciever-hdmi-acer). I don't have a 3D ready receiver so this won't work for me. I got mine working just fine (pc-hdmi-reciever and pc-dvi/hdmi-acer). Problem is my reciever doesn't say its getting the (dts-ma/thd). It just displays 7.1 mulitchannel or something like that.

I've tried different solutions: mini-hdmi-hdmi from the gpu to the hdmi switch (which is then connected to the pj through a 5 mt hdmi) cable. I've also tried dvi to hdmi (always through the switch).

Now I'll try connecting the pj bypassing every other intermediate connection, and with a shorter cable.

Could it be something related to multiple monitors managing? I should try to only have the pj connected.

new 3d vision drivers released today that other acer owners indicate have fixed the 3d nvision depth issues (so setting depth to 100% is actually 50% of the display width instead of the current 25%)

Was really impressed with the gaming on this last night along with obviously avatar in 3d. Does everyone else have to turn on nvidia 3d vision with a hotkey or is it supposed to kick in automatically?

FYI - Newegg has a promo code (PRJBOWL11) for the Acer H5360 for $50 off today through 1/26 - now under 5 hundred. Just pulled the trigger on one, looking forward to getting this thing set up for 3D.

Finishing my HTPC build this weekend, hopefully things will go well. Thanks for everyone's help here!!

For those looking for good 2D, the Mits hc4000 also has $50 off with same promo code.

son of a ... I was waiting for them to go on sale and just bought it last week from newegg. do they do any kind of price adjustment?

Circio - i had the same problem (red lines, and sometimes some green lines and white flickering). I did multiple things, so sorry I can't be specific, but i think it was either from one of the following:
1. Shortened the length by one 15 hdmi cord and accompanying coupler. Or,
2. Deleted and reinstalled the nvidia drivers, BUT made sure to keep the emitter unplugged until told to hook up during the 3d set-up instructions. Sounds like you are already in the process of doing the first one, so if that doesn't work, and you did like me and already had the emitter plugged in during the installs, then give that a try and let us all know if it worked or not. Thanks and good luck.

Blackoper- during all my set-up struggles, I've experienced it working automatically and having to turn it on manually. It turns on automatically all the time for me now. Unfortunately, I have no idea what makes it do one or the other, or what I did to correct it.

Sorry blackoper, not sure if they do adj or not. I've been watching this one for awhile.