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post #91 of 1760
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Originally Posted by fernanz73 View Post

forget about this projector, I've had 2 of them in the past month and both were plagued with issues with them regarding them powering off when mounted upside down. It also has horrible contrast ratio resulting in playing dark games on very high brightness and maxed out contrast which washes out everything else. The colors are awesome and picture is bright out of the box but has almost no tweakable settings to fix these issues. Back to HD66 now and though the colors are not as good, I've gotten most of the stuff to work on old nvidia vision drivers. (sigh) I've sent an email to Nvidia telling them I'd be willing to pay for a supported driver if optoma won't pony up for it. I saved 40 bucks over the Acer and have a much more tweakable image and a considerably longer bulb life. BTW, there is a known issue with the H5360 reverting to bright mode on it's own resulting in far less bulb life. It was a great idea in theory but horribly executed on acers part. Their support is completely nonexistent, you have to PAY for support even on new products! Ridiculous.


Wow, it's pretty shocking to see how your viewpoint has changed. Did you ever try have the source turned on first, like that one dude was talking about?
post #92 of 1760
Well mine just stopped working while upside down too. I have to pull the plug out for it to start up while upside down, and it stops listening to the remote control. Rightside up it works fine... seems like a firmware issue (some bug when it detects its upside down maybe? Shame because I'm more than happy with everything else about this projector.
post #93 of 1760
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Originally Posted by anthonybuchanan View Post

fernanz73, I thought that, as you say, "the colors are awesome" on the H5360, until I got my CF181D.
The colors on the H5360 are not awesome at all once you've seen the same movie on the H5360 versus the LG CF181D.

I know you spend so much more money however its worth it.

LOL.. Are you seriously comparing a $2000+ PJ to a $700 pj?? Get off your high horse not everybody is able to spend that much on a PJ..
post #94 of 1760
Sorry.
post #95 of 1760
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Originally Posted by jay² View Post

LOL.. Are you seriously comparing a $2000+ PJ to a $700 pj?? Get off your high horse not everybody is able to spend that much on a PJ..


The guy was just trying to convince himself that he made the right choice by going with a high-quality 2D projector over 3D. He maybe got a bit carried away, but it's understandable.

It's something that alot of us are thinking about. Do we put our money towards a high-quality, 1080p 2D projector, or do we go with 3D at the cost of resolution and 2D picture quality. It's an interesting question to ponder. I'm in that exact predicament. I currently own a very good 720p projector. Yes, it's only 720p, but it has very high quality optics, and it's capable of doing 2:35:1, which is very important to me. It's one of the few DLP projectors with the necessary vertical and horizontal lens shift.

Prior to the whole 3D thing, my next move was to upgrade to 1080p. The plan was to get the best 1080p DLP projector under 2 grand shipped, that also has the necessary zoom and horizontal and vertical lens shift. Then the 3D thing came along to screw everything up for me. I'm a sucker for new technology. I jumped on the DVD bandwagon the day DVD players became available. I jumped on the HDTV bandwagon in the first 6 months of HDTV availability. (luckily getting a $4,000 HDTV for only $850, but that's a long story) I bought a HD-DVD player the day it became available, and I bought a PS3 (Blu Ray player) the day it became available. The bottom line, is that I love to jump on bandwagons early. The 3D thing is no different. I really, really, really want to dip my toes in the 3D waters. I'm talking ESPN 3D, Discovery 3D, 3D Blu Ray, PS3 3D, PC gaming 3D, etc, etc, etc. The problem is, I really want to get a 3D projector, cause 3D on a giant screen will have much more impact. If I spend $700 or $750 on one of these cheapo 3D projectors that may or may not work with ESPN 3D and PS3 3D, etc, etc, that's $700 that I could have put towards a 2 grand 1080p 2D projector with amazing picture quality.

Then again, lets say I spend 2 grand on a really high quality 1080p 2D projector, then that is 2 grand that I could have put towards a 3D projector instead. There is only so much money to go around (for me anyways). I have to make the right decision the first time, cause I just don't have enough extra money floating around to make a mistake.

It really sucks to be in this position, cause I'm desperate to jump on the 3D bandwagon, but I just don't want to make a horrible mistake that I'm going to regret. Then I'll have to Ebay the stuff at a significant loss, and I just can't afford to be screwing around like that...
post #96 of 1760
Also, for me, I do not currently have a PC.
I would have to build one and I got carried away with the mobo and other stuff I wanted until I ended up at $1700 for my 3D capable PC plsu glasses for 4 people. And then, after all that, I would end up with not just a sub-par
2D image but, compared to my CF181D that I did side-by-side compare with, a really, really, really sub-par 2D image.

And here is the kciker, if your 2D image is horrible then your 3D image is horrible.

I have a PS3 for blueray so I dont have to spend anymore money.

Jay2, how much did your 3D capable PC plus glasses ?
Are you single and only need 1 set of glasses ?
post #97 of 1760
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Originally Posted by Anthony1 View Post

It really sucks to be in this position, cause I'm desperate to jump on the 3D bandwagon


Why, there is nothing out there.



In 5 years it will be cool, but now.... meh. It would be fun to try for 700 bucks, but if money is tight i wouldn't be concerned. I like the idea for gaming, not so much for movies. Unfortunately, i don't think the ps3 can deliver decent graphics at 120fps unless it's running at 480p... so i might hold off.

I will be getting a 3DS on launch day though.
post #98 of 1760
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Originally Posted by Verge2 View Post

Why, there is nothing out there.



In 5 years it will be cool, but now.... meh. It would be fun to try for 700 bucks, but if money is tight i wouldn't be concerned. I like the idea for gaming, not so much for movies. Unfortunately, i don't think the ps3 can deliver decent graphics at 120fps unless it's running at 480p... so i might hold off.

I will be getting a 3DS on launch day though.


Well, again... I'm an early adopter. I like to be the FIRST guy to jump on various technological bandwagons. 3D is no different. Once ESPN 3D actually starts up, and I'm not able to experience it, I'll start to get antsy. Same thing with the PS3 3D scenario. The day that firmware goes thru, and Super Stardust HD and Wipeout HD are able to play in 3D, that will be the day that I really start to get antsy.

The thing is, it would be foolish for me to not wait and see if any of the current projectors can work with the PS3, maybe thru some work arounds with a PC and a hdmi capture card and Stereoscopic Player. Actually, that probably wouldn't work, but maybe something will....
post #99 of 1760
The point he is making is that 3D is here now however the quality is so low that its not worth it to him.
Is all that matters to you is 3D? No regard for quality of the image ?
post #100 of 1760
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Originally Posted by anthonybuchanan View Post

I have major issues upside down.
It shuts down now less then before however it still shuts down inadvertantly.

It will not turn on with the remote. I have to disconnect power, plug it back in, and then I can use the remote to turn it back on.

Here is the real kicker though, once I turn it on with the remote the remote does not work anymore for any other functions. I have used the remote to turn it on from any location in the room however after its on the remote doesnt work from anywhere at all.

Once, after being frustrated with the upside down issues I did turn it rightside up and it worked. I have not done this again so I do not know if rightside up still works.


I used to have this same issue, as I posted earlier. Recently however, I think I stumbled upon how to resolve the upside down issue.

On the Menu, I changed the projector location from the "AUTO" icon, to the "ceiling mount" icon (its a graphic icon). This seemed to do the trick, as the PJ does not shut down anymore if there is no SOURCE input. It just cycles through the inputs. The remote now works everytime.

To access, go to MENU > IMAGE > PROJECTION LOCATION.

If you can't access the menu to work upside down, bring down your PJ first and power it on right side up. Then access the menu via the remote.

My PJ has been working well for about a week now. No more shutdown issues, and the remote works. Hope this finally did the trick. Hope this works on the others who have the same issue.
post #101 of 1760
Thanks very much for that update.

LOL, im hopeing the guys having problems did use this setting.

I also changed mine to ceiling mode and have not had any problems.

Also note there is an auto shutdown option as well.

Have you guys checked the settings and make sure auto shudown is off?

Running mine throught a PC so that I can change sharpned etc and must say mine is GREAT with stock settings and sharpness set from PC HD looks stunning.
post #102 of 1760
Hearing this makes me a little jeolous.

When I made the decision to return my Acer and go with the high quality LG 2D projector it was the shutdowns and also the lower quality picture.
If I could have solved the shutdown issues and it had just been the lower quality picture I may have stayed with the Acer, gotten a PC, and had 3D.

Congrates on solving this issue.
post #103 of 1760
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Originally Posted by anthonybuchanan View Post

The point he is making is that 3D is here now however the quality is so low that its not worth it to him.
Is all that matters to you is 3D? No regard for quality of the image ?

Well, I would hardly say that the quality is low, if you have the right equipment. Having said that, yes, the whole 3D thing is somewhat of a conundrum right now. It's very difficult to get all the moving parts situated and working properly so to speak. Nobody really knows how everything is going to work out. Outside of going to Best Buy and buying one of the ridiculously overpriced brand new plasma or lcd based 3D displays with hdmi 1.4, we really don't know if any of these other displays are going to be able to do all the various 3D we need them to. It's a crapshoot right now.

I'm just having a very difficult time trying to be patient, and waiting for somebody else to be the beta tester, and trying to wait and see if somebody out there figures out a way to use these "cheapo" 3D projectors for Direct TV based 3D and PS3 based 3D. Those are the big questions right now. Will there be some kind of workaround that will allow people to play stuff like Killzone 3 in 3D on these cheapo projectors? Will there be some kind of workaround that will allow them to watch ESPN 3D via their Direct TV receivers?

If there is some way to get it to work, even if it requires using a powerful PC, along with a special capture card or whatever, then I'll probably grab one of these projectors in a heartbeat. I know the 2D visual quality of these projectors won't even be as good as my 720p Optoma HD7100, but I still have that Optoma hooked up, and will leave it hooked up for anything 2D related. The 3D projector would be added to the mix, and only used for 3D based material.
post #104 of 1760
You can do great 3D right now using Nvidia's tech.
The display is not on par with a higher end 1080p 2D however you can do 3D right now.
post #105 of 1760
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Originally Posted by bartman2010 View Post

I used to have this same issue, as I posted earlier. Recently however, I think I stumbled upon how to resolve the upside down issue.

On the Menu, I changed the projector location from the "AUTO" icon, to the "ceiling mount" icon (its a graphic icon). This seemed to do the trick, as the PJ does not shut down anymore if there is no SOURCE input. It just cycles through the inputs. The remote now works everytime.

Fantastic, this works for me. No issues after changing it from auto to ceiling. I guess there is a firmware bug in the auto detection. I think it only effects some inputs, because I didn't have this bug until I started hooking up VGA and Component inputs to the projector.
post #106 of 1760
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Originally Posted by anthony1 View Post

the guy was just trying to convince himself that he made the right choice by going with a high-quality 2d projector over 3d. He maybe got a bit carried away, but it's understandable.

It's something that alot of us are thinking about. Do we put our money towards a high-quality, 1080p 2d projector, or do we go with 3d at the cost of resolution and 2d picture quality. It's an interesting question to ponder. I'm in that exact predicament. I currently own a very good 720p projector. Yes, it's only 720p, but it has very high quality optics, and it's capable of doing 2:35:1, which is very important to me. It's one of the few dlp projectors with the necessary vertical and horizontal lens shift.

Prior to the whole 3d thing, my next move was to upgrade to 1080p. The plan was to get the best 1080p dlp projector under 2 grand shipped, that also has the necessary zoom and horizontal and vertical lens shift. Then the 3d thing came along to screw everything up for me. I'm a sucker for new technology. I jumped on the dvd bandwagon the day dvd players became available. I jumped on the hdtv bandwagon in the first 6 months of hdtv availability. (luckily getting a $4,000 hdtv for only $850, but that's a long story) i bought a hd-dvd player the day it became available, and i bought a ps3 (blu ray player) the day it became available. The bottom line, is that i love to jump on bandwagons early. The 3d thing is no different. I really, really, really want to dip my toes in the 3d waters. I'm talking espn 3d, discovery 3d, 3d blu ray, ps3 3d, pc gaming 3d, etc, etc, etc. The problem is, i really want to get a 3d projector, cause 3d on a giant screen will have much more impact. If i spend $700 or $750 on one of these cheapo 3d projectors that may or may not work with espn 3d and ps3 3d, etc, etc, that's $700 that i could have put towards a 2 grand 1080p 2d projector with amazing picture quality.

Then again, lets say i spend 2 grand on a really high quality 1080p 2d projector, then that is 2 grand that i could have put towards a 3d projector instead. There is only so much money to go around (for me anyways). I have to make the right decision the first time, cause i just don't have enough extra money floating around to make a mistake.

It really sucks to be in this position, cause i'm desperate to jump on the 3d bandwagon, but i just don't want to make a horrible mistake that i'm going to regret. Then i'll have to ebay the stuff at a significant loss, and i just can't afford to be screwing around like that...

amen!
post #107 of 1760
the fact that fernanz73 was able to test BOTH hd66 and acer, acer won!, thats what sealed it for me.

Now that the everyones shutdown problems are resolved, ability to do 3d, BRIGHT for daytime use, short throw, VG 720p perfomance then for £500/£600

this projector is the perfect choice for the price.

Bare in mind i dont think your going to see 1080p 3d projectors for a while (even when they try to sell it to us, the 3d will be downgraded!!), dont forget they cant even broadcast 1080p signals on sky etc yet let alone 1080p 3d!!.

Fernanz73 have you kept the hd66?

Anthonybuchannan, to be fair you have an Excellent projector in the LG, altho I personally could never live with the size of it and the cost of the bulbs. At least now you have the option of downgrading or maybe just waiting for a better 3d progector?.

Either way, thanks to everone for their posts and especially to bartman for posting his fix for thos who hadnt set the projector correctly.
post #108 of 1760
Honestly though, if I had known the upsdie down issue could be resolved I maybe just maybe have had a different outcome.

One thing for sure is that I have laptops and go online and thus I do not miss not having a new more powerful desktop with graphics to handle 3D.

On the other hand, knowing the 2D image quality difference would have always been on my mind. I would have agonized over that every day.
post #109 of 1760
actually, upon further annoyance with the 66's washed out colors I settled on the Viewsonic PJD6531W http://www.amazon.com/ViewSonic-PJD6.../dp/B0033PRQE2 It's a 3000 lumen 3d projector that has nvidia support (kind of). I bought it after checking nvidias website for other supported projectors b/c I really like nvidia's setup. Unfortunately, with unsupported projectors you can't get recent games to work well. Plus, 3d blu ray support is just around the corner and anything supported by Nvidia for vision will be supported for 3d blu ray (with certain hardware minimum requirements). This projector has a great, bright picture, good colors, little to no rainbow effect. A normal remote control that works all the time (and has a laser pointer which the 12 year old in me loves). it has quite a few inputs, is quiet, and doesn't revert to non economy mode like the craptastic acer did. And get this....a 6000 hour life bulb!!! That's double to triple the Acers is! it has lots of tweakable color settings unlike the acer and though it's contrast ratio is the same as the acer I can play dark games with very good greys instead of black and black. I'm very happy with this projector and my only complaint with it sofar has nothing to do with the projector itself. Soon after recieving it I installed nvidias drivers only to find out that their most recent beta driver is buggy with this particular model and won't recognize it. However, I spoke with nvidia and they assured me the fix was on the way and since all other projectors are supported with 3dbr I am comfortable that this one will to. Especially since the Acer is...I do wish I would have known about the ceiling mount fix with the acer before i'd returned it but this one works just like a champ in any way it's placed. I'm keepin it... whew! Amazon must HATE me.
post #110 of 1760
Oh and Anthony...if you were a gamer and could see a game in 3d I think you would change your tune to resolution vs 3d. it is so unbelievably immersive and nobody I've demo'd it to can say a word against it. Most peoples jaws are left wide open while playing or even watching games. 3d movies are one thing, but playing a game in a totally 3d environment is mind blowing. I have a great picture AND 3d support. I think it's the best of both worlds. Now would I like to have a 1080p 3d projector with a million to one contrast ratio? Absolutely, would it be worth thousands more? Not a chance. I'm using a 3 year old desktop computer with a hundred dollar video card in it and I haven't found a game I cant play on it yet. I have hope that the ps3 3d update will allow me to use this projetor but nobody seems to know what format they're even supporting at this time. I look every day and can't find any good info on what format they use. I guess we'll find out next week when the update hits Japan.
post #111 of 1760
I am glad you found something you like.
Is the image quality better than Acer ?
If I had known about this one and the picture was just a little better than the Acer I may have made a different decision.
post #112 of 1760
Hi , the nvidia glasses have 2000 contrast ratio

How about the brightness / contrast drop on the Viewsonic, I know the acer is quite drastical cause I own one.
post #113 of 1760
When using viewsonic, can you turn off dlp link for 120hz? The white flash kill the contrast for HD66.

Also does it come with greyscale adjustment?

Further reading from some review site, it mention there is no way to get 3D from 1280x800 as the max supported is 60hz. Can you confirm that it can support 720p 3D 120hz for HDMI without the DLP Link white flash?

Don't forget there is another contender for 720p 3D projector which is BENQ W600. EDID override should get you nvidia support.
post #114 of 1760
Isnt EDID override = red warning text , plus glasses upside down?
post #115 of 1760
The ps3 will only work with sets that support "3D over HDMI" and the forthcoming HDMI 1.4. The acer and all other dlp link sets will not work unless someone makes something like a moome or hdfury converter.

For me the acer has been great for pc 3d games, but I fully expect to replace it within a year with a 1.4 compliant pj when they are available.

My H5360 did freak out and lost it's edid last week. Luckily I found other posts about similar issues and was able to successfully re program it.
http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=170040
post #116 of 1760
EDID override will let you simulate the supported display model so that you don't have to wear your glasses upside down. It's been reported working for HD66 so I wonder the tricks would work for Viewsonic too although the current driver left out the projector.
post #117 of 1760
I think I have an acer with pre 3d firmware, and it gives red text and upside down. Watch out...
post #118 of 1760
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Originally Posted by gain3 View Post

I think I have an acer with pre 3d firmware, and it gives red text and upside down. Watch out...

Just to check, but you do know that that the H5360 requires 1280x720 otherwise you will get a red warning on the screen along the lines of "not compatible" with 3D
post #119 of 1760
Yes there are 2 different 3d modes and only dlp link forces white flash. Otherwise its a normal picture. Much better as far as brightness when using glasses and in general while playing dark games. I am getting 120hz over HDMI without dlp link forced. Lots of tunable picture settings. Colors were a bit more vibrant on the Acer but I have not tuned settings on tbis guy yet b/c they were pretty good out of box. I just couldn't see much of anything while playing certain dark levels of Drakes fortune and tomb raider on the Acer and that was a dealbreaker.
post #120 of 1760
The nVidia 3D mode on the projector does nothing but

1) Use a special preset for colours to offset the colour bias effect of the LCD glasses
2) Add an annoying pop-up window telling you , you are in 3D mode! Very annoying


The DLP link mode on the projector does

1) Adds a special preset for colours to offset the colour bias effect of DLP link glasses (more grey than nVidia which is a bit more yellowy)
2) Adds the special "flash" frames to signal the glasses. This affects black levels (makes them a bit grey) and therefore compromises contrast ratio
3) Add an annoying pop-up window telling you, you are in 3D mode!



Personally for nVidia I do not use the 3D modes at all. And using one of those calibration DVDs, I have set the projector with a better colour balance to compensate for the nVidia 3D glasses.
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