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post #31 of 100
very nice set up.
post #32 of 100
Great progress. I like the proportions of the columns and the way you've trimmed them out. It also looks like you went with a taller baseboard than typically used in a basement, I really like it. Makes it look like any other room in a house.

I think you have done a great job balancing a dedicated theater with a family room. Its clearly a theater but, can be used for multipurpose without the theater aspect getting in the way of daily use.
post #33 of 100
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we used the same baseboards, crown, doors, doorknobs, etc as the rest of the house to make it feel less like a basement and more like the house. One side of the basement is actually at ground level due to the slope of the lot, so we wanted those rooms especially to feel like real rooms.
post #34 of 100
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Okay, not much progress on the media room, but I've finished the first room in the basement. We wanted to turn the one room with windows into a school room. My wife is a teacher by trade, and we're going to keep the kids home for now. I'm posting pics because it feels good to make progress. The trim, paint, floors (Pergo) were done by yours truly. And now I'm going to hire out the rest of the basement, I just don't have the time. I feel like I've spent every spare minute in the basement for the past 4 months. I still have to do the toe molding.

The blue didn't come out well in the pics, the camera picked it's own shade of blue- the real color is more of a slate blue. The white board is a sheet of tile-board trimmed out with casing, makes a great custom grease- board.

We went with Pergo laminate for the floors. We didn't want to fool with solid wood in the basement, and after comparing engineered wood to the laminate, we felt like the laminate looked just as good (if not better) and was much more scratch resistant. Just a little cheaper too. We'll use the same flooring in the kitchenette behind the media room.

Next week, the media room should get trimmed and painted







post #35 of 100
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Okay, trim was done today. I selected a painter today as well, and hopefully we'll have paint up next week. I think I'm going to miss the superbowl, but if I can get the carpet in, we're going to stop for a while, and I will go ahead and set up the system for the olympics while I work on the entertainment center. Cabinets and bathroom stuff will continue in the background.

Here's the Sketchup mockup. I posted some off angle viewing as well to show some of the dimensions. There will be pieces of trim here and there covering joints and seams, not worth the effort of putting into the model.

The first is what it will look like with the screen up. I can't decide if I want to paint the inner area black to better conceal the TV and speaker bar above it (for everyday, simple viewing) or line it with 1/4 plywood to match the wood. I think I'm going with African Mahogany, it's as cheap as maple right now. The AV rack will be installed behind the door all the way to the right. It will be a pocket door and will be open during viewing. The sat box will go in the cubby up top. It runs continuously and will need ventilation. There was no good place for an AV closet.



Next is the screen down. Da-lite has 3d models of their screens. I used the 106 and stretched it out to 110 diagonal, it's not perfect but easier than building my own screen. The casing will be recessed behind a hood with crown. The sides will also be partially concealed by the trim flanking the speakers. I'm hoping this will create a bit of a shadow box around the screen.



Looking up into the hood.


Looking down


Next, I need to make cut lists for the plywood and solid wood so I can minimize waste, and then build up the courage to buy all that wood. This will be the largest woodworking project I've tackled.

Thanks for reading.
post #36 of 100
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I won't bore you with more sketchup model pics, but we're going to add 4" round columns on either side of the screen- that space really needed something. I'm also going to do some panels on top of each cubby on either side to dress it up a bit.

So my painter got the flu last week. He painted the bathroom and the study (which you don't care about) but only got to the ceiling in the media room/kitchenette. The priming is done on the columns.



I did finally start on the entertainment center. The base is 2x4 pressure treated pine. I wrapped it with 30lb felt to keep it from vibrating on the floor (although I had to raise the front about 1/4 to level it off, so I don't know how much is actually on the floor). I filled the base with sand (630 lbs to be exact) to deaden sound and then a layer of 3/4 MDF on top to be sure everything is as dense as possible. It's about 1/8 off the wall behind and 1" from either side wall, so hopefully will provide a good, isolated base. It's also wrapped in clear plastic (can't tell in the pics) to keep the sand from trying to creep out or through the felt.


Hopefully painting will get done this week. Then I can put the laminate down in the kitchen area, carpet, and then set the system back up while I work on the entertainment center.

Anyone still reading?
post #37 of 100
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Paint/Trim/Tile/Flooring all done. Waiting for carpet (hopefully on Monday).

Here's a tapestry my wife found on clearance. It seemed to be more manly than most, and will serve as a great place to put some foam panels behind for sound insulation. It hangs over the landing on the stairs going down to the basement. For all the insulation we put in, a lot of sound comes through the stairwell. We'll probably put a solid door up top too.


They're a little dusty, but we painted the stairwell to match the media room, including the trim. I was a little nervous about it, but it was the right call.


Looking through the window in the back wall into the kitchen area. Fridge will go on the right. Cabinets pending.


Finished columns. The sconces are on an IR controlled dimmer.




Back wall, under the window. We'll have counter coming through the window, and a 12" deep bar across the back wall with stools. We brought the laminate out from the kitchen 30" into the room for a "splash zone." kids can eat at the bar, food stays off the carpet... that's the idea anyways.
post #38 of 100
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My wife had some friends over and she took them downstairs. One of them commented that the room didn't look like a "basement" room, and really liked the columns. Made my day...
post #39 of 100
post #40 of 100
Really, really nice - love the look of those columns and the sconces, and that tapestry on the landing is perfect!!

Can't wait to see the rest of this! Keep the photos coming!
post #41 of 100
This is really taking shape !
Looking forward to more photos
post #42 of 100
Very nice job with the MDF columns and trim work. This is almost identical to what I have planned for my basement project starting this week and your setup will help me explain this to the contractors.

Quick question --how did you attach the MDF panels to the wall?

Curious, is the color of the pergo Potamic Hickory?
post #43 of 100
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two ways to do the MDF. One of my contractors talked about just slapping up two layers of MDF for a 1.5" thick column. I didn't want to do that because I knew I would always see the seam, despite any putty or caulk. Plus, by making them 2" they are a little more prominent, especially with the trim.

The edge joints are beveled, I've got a large table saw and have it dialed in within 0.01 degrees, so getting a good tight 45 angle beveled joint was easy. May be harder to do with a portable jobsite deal. I don't know what your setup is.

To attach them to the wall, I used 1" thick pieces of some scrap maple I had lying around- let's call them brackets. any solid wood would work. Fortunately, each column had a stud somewhere behind it, so I cut the maple to 10 1/2" inches long and 3 inches wide (fits inside the back of the column) and attached two pieces per column to the studs, top and bottom. The top piece I actually attached to the top plate of the walls, with 3" wood screws. Then, I set the columns over the brackets, and predrilled and countersunk screws on the sides of the column (the skinny 2" wide part). By having the brackets at the top and bottom, the screws that I used to hang the columns are concealed by the baseboards and crown. I also set the columns off the concrete floor about 1" with some pressure treated scraps- you don't want that MDF absorbing moisture.

I hope that explains the process. I can diagram it out for you if it's not clear.

Spot on with the flooring. We looked at engineered wood and laminate, and the pergo potamic hickory 1)looked the best and had the most depth, even more than some of the real wood, 2) has a distressed look. we really wanted a 'handscraped' look but when you look at big pictures of many laminates it just looks fake, and handscraped engineered wood was a lot more. this has a distressed look and the texture lines up with the grain, which a lot of laminates have a generic texture that may or may not match the grain and 3) is almost identical in color to the floors upstairs, which helps to keep the space consistent with the rest of the house. Several people have mistaken it for real wood. I'm thrilled with how it looks. I swore previously that I'd never get near laminate, but now I'm a believer.
post #44 of 100
This is very helpful --thanks for taking the time to explain. I should be able to have my contractor build them as suggested --he has a full workshop where can fabricate offsite and assemble/install them in my basement. If you did have some simple diagrams that would certainly help me in making sure he performs the work correctly.

we were very surprised by the pergo potamic hickory as well. when I first started shopping a few months ago I never thought that a big box store stock pergo would be the best option. but after checking out engineered and other special order laminates my wife and i found that the potamic hickory looked the best, especially handling light reflection at home with some swatches we purchased first. interestingly enough, we found it was a fairly close match to the natural wood in the upper floors of our 1935 house --so much the same as your observation we found it provides a more natural flow.

I also noticed in your earlier design that you were planning a seating counter behind your sofa but decided not to go forward with it. Was this something you were planning to buy or build and during your research did you find any useful information either way. We also have the same plan for our basement project and we are debating passing on it as this is not something you can buy (at least not a good looking one) and to build it would probably mean attaching it to something. Found some info from other threads, but most had tiered seating (our 7ft ceiling is too low) to attach the counter to the riser. Like your design we are just going with a sofa. I am still researching options since I like the idea of the counter for extra seating, but more importantly, it does provides a way to have something below the projector and still allow a natural flow to the room.
post #45 of 100
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some friends of ours have a simple, shallow bench behind their sofa so the kids can eat without getting food on the furniture. We really like the idea. They built it themselves. Some planks of wood (rustic motif) glued together with some store bought legs, simple apron, and distressed/painted finish. Something easy to do.

We abandoned the idea because the sectional we ended up getting is freaking huge. We found it on clearance, apparently someone ordered it custom and then backed out. It's extra deep and extra long, and basically, when it's up on the wall, it's a full 2 feet further back than some of the smaller sectionals we were looking at. So now, there's no room for the bench/table behind it, along with the counter/barstools at the back. We were willing to give it up because we love the sofa. It's extra length also puts more people in the middle of the room. Most comfortable place to sleep in the house as well. Over Christmas, we did a "test run" of the equip. Myself (all 6'6" and 260 lbs of me) my wife, two of our boys, my mom, my little bro, my other bro and his wife all fit on the sofa with ease, and no one was touching who didn't want to.
post #46 of 100
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I also noticed in your earlier design that you were planning a seating counter behind your sofa but decided not to go forward with it. Was this something you were planning to buy or build and during your research did you find any useful information either way. We also have the same plan for our basement project and we are debating passing on it as this is not something you can buy (at least not a good looking one) and to build it would probably mean attaching it to something. Found some info from other threads, but most had tiered seating (our 7ft ceiling is too low) to attach the counter to the riser. Like your design we are just going with a sofa. I am still researching options since I like the idea of the counter for extra seating, but more importantly, it does provides a way to have something below the projector and still allow a natural flow to the room.

I am nearly done building my back-row counter/bar -- it is freestanding & HEAVY. (It takes two of us to slide it across the floor.) There are no problems whatsoever with the fact that it is not tied into anything. We've already used it one time for our SuperBowl party, and we love having the kids eat up there so that they don't get food & sticky fingers all over the berklines. Take a look at my thread for detailed build information. I based the design on something else I came across in this forum (which was a built-in).
post #47 of 100
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I am nearly done building my back-row counter/bar -- it is freestanding & HEAVY. (It takes two of us to slide it across the floor.) There are no problems whatsoever with the fact that it is not tied into anything. We've already used it one time for our SuperBowl party, and we love having the kids eat up there so that they don't get food & sticky fingers all over the berklines. Take a look at my thread for detailed build information. I based the design on something else I came across in this forum (which was a built-in).

Cool -- I really like what you have done with the standalone bar. This will help me get my final design together, especially knowing that I really don't have to tie it to anything. The granite tiles are a great idea as it gives it a very sharp finished look without having to worry about a massive (and expensive) top.
post #48 of 100
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Originally Posted by tpan View Post

This is very helpful --thanks for taking the time to explain. I should be able to have my contractor build them as suggested --he has a full workshop where can fabricate offsite and assemble/install them in my basement. If you did have some simple diagrams that would certainly help me in making sure he performs the work correctly.


The pilasters are painfully easy to build yourself. I have limited construction skills and I made both pilasters and columns out of MDF.






You can also purchase similar columns/pilasters on line
http://www.wishihadthat.com/pilasters.aspx
post #49 of 100
I am loving the columns. I hope you don't mind when I borrow that idea. Have you thought about coninuing the chair rail and frame look across the whole wall?
post #50 of 100
I'm impressed with your Sketchup of the screen wall/built-ins. We have similarly styled built-ins in our main living area. I'm torn between doing the same thing in our basement or going with a more modern, minimalistic look.

Keep the pictures coming! Things look great so far.
post #51 of 100
Wow! I am so impressed with your project! The school room is awesome and what a great space for your kids to learn! I bet your wife can hardly wait to get in there and teach tomorrow! It looks like you have spent a lot of time on the trim- very precise...

The columns are a GREAT addition to the room, and I LOVE the paint colors too. Everything is so well thought-out. Good job on the flooring too... that is back-breaking work! I know your wife and family appreciate your hard work and dedication to this task.

Great job, great job, great job!!!
post #52 of 100
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originally the plan was to carry the chair rail across the wall, but after talking to some people, including a friend who used to be an architect, we felt like the columns standing alone would be better. I think it was the right call. makes the room a little taller visually.

'forced'- nice columns yourself. have you installed them yet? you should add them to the "show me your columns" thread.
post #53 of 100
Which retractable screen did you go with? I made the mistake of showing your sketchup to my wife and she really loves it. I'm trying to estimate the additional cost to do it your way as opposed to having a fixed screen.
post #54 of 100
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I went with an Elite Cinetension 2 screen. I have mixed feelings about it. The screen I have now is great, it's flat, looks great and works well. I had problems with the first unit, not hanging straight, off by about 1" left to right. They promptly sent a replacement, but the motor had something clanking around in there. The screen itself was straight though.

Instead of shipping out a third screen, I ended up swapping the motors, which I think is way more than any customer should do, but I'm wired that way and it was kind of fun/interesting for me to take it all apart.

Customer service was great, I bought it through projector people who were very helpful in resolving my issues. I would definitely buy through a reputable vendor in case you have problems.

So I worry about their quality control- 2 out of 2 screens had issues, although the motor clank does sound benign, I probably wouldn't have noticed it except the first one didn't do it. If you look at the elite screen thread, many similar stories. But once I got a good unit, I am very pleased. I knew I wanted a tensioned screen, the last thing I want is to plunk down a bunch of cash only to have the thing get wavy in a few years. I was willing to put up with the frustrations because this thing is half the cost of any other tensioned screen. We'll see how it holds up.
post #55 of 100
Please keep us posted on your experiences with retractable screens. I understand their strengths and weaknesses but in a room that is used for more than just home theater, they are crucial for overall aesthetics. Best of luck!
post #56 of 100
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It's a must for us, we want this to be a multi-purpose room. Plus, I don't want the kids firing up the PJ every time they want to watch mickey mouse. I tried to make it the best home theater setup I could, and still have a living room by day.

Part of the spousal approval factor was/is in-cabinet speakers and a clean look up front. The in-cabinet Axiom speakers were the icing on the cake, I really wanted full, floorstanding speakers, but was afraid I would "ruin" a nice set of expensive speakers by placing them in an enclosure. These are designed for cabinet use. They sound great as is, I wonder what they will sound like built in...

I haven't setup the sound yet, but the room is so much quieter with the carpet and sofa in there. I hope the heavily insulated walls and ceiling pay off.
post #57 of 100
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... I can't stop spending money...

So we bought a fridge this week. I had started shopping for 'apartment' fridges (33" instead of 36") to fit the little nook we created when we put up the wall dividing the kitchenette area from a mechanical room. We didn't plan it, but turns out we created a perfect place for a fridge- down to the door placement, which effectively creates a 3" deeper wall right where the fridge handle needs room to open. Anyways, saw a fridge on clearance for a good bit less than any local dealers had it, so we jumped on it. We will put some 12" deep cabinets to the left of it, and above it, to give it more of a built in look. We have three rapidly growing boys (and maybe more down the road) so we figured instead of a little dorm fridge we'd go ahead and get a full size one.


Here's a pic of the sectional and carpet. The sofa is 120x120 long. We got two ottomans in the deal as well- another item found on clearance at a significant discount. It's extra deep and extra comfy.


Here's a shot of the adjacent room, we'll probably make this a guest area. The carpet is a frieze (sp?) speckled carpet. It's not berber although the pics make it look like it.


We spent enough money on the shower, I'll show you a pic. Glass enclosure pending


Hopefully this weekend I can get the sound setup again and we're just going to enjoy the space a bit. I'm burned out on construction. Gonna take a break before I build the entertainment center. I'm currently working on the AV rack. Paul Meyer has a nice DIY pull out and rotate gimmick here on the forums, and I like how bhuttman did his rack, so I'm thinking of a hybrid...
post #58 of 100
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A local company here who installs home theaters has a used, middle atlantic pull out and rotate rack. I don't know how many shelves or anything it comes with, they want $250 for it, tempting. I know I can build one for about $100, but how much time would I spend on it?

What do you guys think?
post #59 of 100
Sounds like a good deal. I am close to buying a mid atlantic rack (not the pull out type) and it's pricing out much more with the shelves. Where the cost really starts to add up is with the custom face plates so make sure you factor that into your decision.
post #60 of 100
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Fun times with online shopping! For all of my recent AV purchases I have been using the ShopSafe feature of my credit card- which is the virtual account number service. Basically, they generate unique numbers for online purchases. I set the amount and expiration, so each 'card' can only be used once. I've been using similar services as long as I've been making online purchases. Well, it finally paid off.

Turns out, two of the cards I used to make purchases at Monoprice were stolen. I made two purchases on the same day, but used two different numbers. I distinctly remember I was in a hurry, forgot something, added it for a second order, and resisted the urge to just type in my regular number. Good thing I didn't. Someone took the first number and tried to go on a shopping spree- but they were all over the limit that I set for the purchase. A week later they tried the other number with the same results.

I've still closed my account (and all the associated hassles) and it's taken quite a bit of detective work on my end to track down the fraudulent cards (amazing how uninterested the bank was- since all the purchases were declined, for small amounts to begin with, they frankly didn't care. In their eyes, the feature worked. Easier for them to just close the account and send me new cards).

Anyways, just a friendly reminder to be careful out there, even at a 'trusted' website. I've bought from monoprice before, and I don't think this is a problem with their entire operation (ie they aren't a scam, they sell good cables for cheap), I'm guessing either an employee or perhaps their website was compromised. They're researching it on their end.

No updates on the build. 24 looks great at 110". Wii too.
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