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post #2191 of 5806
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Originally Posted by Magnefied View Post

Hey, you're in the same situation as me. I also have a flagship receiver from about 5 years ago (HK AVR7300 circa 2004) also with 7.1 analog inputs and lacking any HDMI in/out. This was likely the last generation of product before HDMI was rolled out.

I have asked Santa Claus for the Oppo SE and she's usually very good to me. Like you, I intend to connect the Oppo directly to my 63" plasma via HDMI and make the primary connection to the receiver via 7.1 analog. However I do intend to make an audio connection via coax as well. I have become accustomed to listening to some 2 channel material through Dolby Pro Logic IIx and want to keep the option open for synthesized surround on 2 channel material which is something that Oppo does not support.

Like you I can't bring myself to get rid of a perfectly good receiver that's never given me a moment's trouble. And, losing the ability to use the older surround formats make it an even tougher decision. I was also worried about what happens when my current universal format player dies as many current players lack 7.1 outs now that a one cable solution is available. Oppo seems to have recognized a need in the market and filled it precisely with a killer product at a fair price.

One thing I've wondered about, does the Oppo setup menu provide for an audio "delay"? My receiver allows me to set a delay between the picture and audio in the event there's some processing lag that shows up on the screen. AKA the Kung-Fu movie syndrome. I'm a bit worried about sending HDMI in one direction and 7.1 in another direction and the possible lag between dialog and on-screen action. Did you have this problem? Did you end up using any delay for dialog? I don't want to send the signal through my receiver's processing as that defeats the Oppo's DAC's. Then again, for movies I wouldn't really mind a slight loss in audio quality as it's not that critical.

The Oppo does have a lip sync setting, but I think it's for the HDMI output only.
post #2192 of 5806
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Originally Posted by JohnAV View Post

Here's kinda interesting comparison . . . .

Oppo BDP-83SE versus McIntosh MCD500 12/21/09

"All in all, the Oppo BDP-83 Special Edition is an exemplary SACD/CD player, not to mention a first class Blu-ray video player. In surround sound, the Special Edition really shows its colors, and struts its stuff. I am thrilled with the SE's surround performance in my home theater system. It's two channel stereo presentation is also very good, quite detailed, with excellent dynamics. Were I not making a direct song for song, head to head comparison against the MCD500, the darker nature of the Oppo's audio performance might not have even been noticed. For a person looking for a really great surround sound and stereo SACD/CD player, with a spectacular Blu-ray player thrown in for good measure, all at a price that is almost unbelievable considering the level of performance, the Oppo BDP-83 Special Edition is the player to beat in this price category, and then some. That the Oppo SE can stand as close to the MCD500's performance as it did today is quite remarkable when one considers the MCD500's price tag is greater than seven times that of the Oppo BDP-83SE.

As I began this head to head comparison, I never really thought the Oppo SE would outperform the MCD500, and it didn't. What is amazing, though, is how close it came for so little money. A big thumbs up to the Oppo BDP-83 Special Edition."

I have read many reviews on SACD/CD players, but this term darker nature of the Oppo's audio performance has been seen enough by me and can someone please explain this term dark sounding or dark nature to me?

Another note everytime I hear a trucks deceleration on my steet I think it's the Fedex truck, it's driving me bananas! First is Sparkletts Water truck, then UPS truck, soft water truck and just now the Best Buy truck. Not having my music for this long is like saying I can't have air, I can't breath!

Thank you,
Techlord.
post #2193 of 5806
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Originally Posted by Techlord View Post

I have read many reviews on SACD/CD players, but this term darker nature of the Oppo's audio performance has been seen enough by me and can someone please explain this term dark sounding or dark nature to me?

I think that reviewer was only saying that the Oppo sounds darker than the MCD500. It doesn't mean that the Oppo is dark-sounding in general. It certainly doesn't sound dark to me so far (mch outs) compared to my Denon players.
post #2194 of 5806
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Originally Posted by tubefreq View Post

I think that reviewer was only saying that the Oppo sounds darker than the MCD500. It doesn't mean that the Oppo is dark-sounding in general. It certainly doesn't sound dark to me so far (mch outs) compared to my Denon players.

Ok, I'm even more confused by your statement? You say, "It doesn't mean that the Oppo is dark-sounding in general", whatever that means then you say ,"It certainly doesn't sound dark to me so far (mch outs) compared to my Denon players. lol!

Again what does this dark sound term mean?
post #2195 of 5806
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Originally Posted by jcleve View Post

I have a McIntosh MX-132 - I use the Mac's onboard DACs to handle audio decoding, either co-ax or tos-link connects.

Does anyone think I'd benefit, audibly, from the upgraded DACs in the SE playing SACDs or CDs? Or are the Mac's DACs as good or better, and I can save my money and buy the standard BDP-83? Thanks in advance for the suggestions.

SACD's won't play via toslink or coax, so you must use analog (or have a compatible HDMI connection, if so, forget SE anyway).
post #2196 of 5806
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Originally Posted by Techlord View Post

Ok, I'm even more confused by your statement? You say, "It doesn't mean that the Oppo is dark-sounding in general", whatever that means then you say ,"It certainly doesn't sound dark to me so far (mch outs) compared to my Denon players. lol!

Again what does this dark sound term mean?

Bright versus Dark: A predominance of upper partials is frequently described as a bright sound; a sound which does not emphasize the upper partials is often described as a dark sound.

Upper Partials = 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and higher tones in harmonic series which are at fixed intervals above fundamental.
post #2197 of 5806
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Originally Posted by ted_b View Post

SACD's won't play via toslink or coax, so you must use analog (or have a compatible HDMI connection, if so, forget SE anyway).

Interesting. My Mx132 doesn't have HDMI - it's a 7 year old model.

So now I'm curious - SACD will only play via analog outs on both the BDP-83 and the BDP-83SE? Or that's only with the SE that's the case, and with the BDP-83 all audio formats will play through the coax?
post #2198 of 5806
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Originally Posted by jcleve View Post

Interesting. My Mx132 doesn't have HDMI - it's a 7 year old model.

So now I'm curious - SACD will only play via analog outs on both the BDP-83 and the BDP-83SE? Or that's only with the SE that's the case, and with the BDP-83 all audio formats will play through the coax?

In your case yes, your limited to analog inputs. Some AVR's allow SACD via HDMI.
post #2199 of 5806
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Originally Posted by jcleve View Post

...So now I'm curious - SACD will only play via analog outs on both the BDP-83 and the BDP-83SE?....

No, both will play via analog multichannel and 2 channel, along with HDMI, but digital coax and Toslink optical won't transmit SACD as I recall.
post #2200 of 5806
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Originally Posted by Techlord View Post

Ok, I'm even more confused by your statement? You say, "It doesn't mean that the Oppo is dark-sounding in general", whatever that means then you say ,"It certainly doesn't sound dark to me so far (mch outs) compared to my Denon players. lol!

Again what does this dark sound term mean?

Ah, my apologies. I misunderstood. I didn't realize that you were asking what the term means. JohnAV's description is good, though I would say that the lack of emphasis is "neutral". Dark would be underrepresented upper harmonics or subdued high-frequency response. It's not necessarily a bad thing, but something that is too dark may sound muffled or lifeless.
post #2201 of 5806
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Originally Posted by tubefreq View Post

Ah, my apologies. I misunderstood. I didn't realize that you were asking what the term means. JohnAV's description is good, though I would say that the lack of emphasis is "neutral". Dark would be underrepresented upper harmonics or subdued high-frequency response. It's not necessarily a bad thing, but something that is too dark may sound muffled or lifeless.

No problem I understand now, thanks!

Season Greeting,
Techlord.
post #2202 of 5806
Just received my new 83SE from Audio Advisor. :-) Had to chase down the Fedex truck! I have hooked it up and am playing discs to break it in without comparing. I have both the 83 and SE hooked up together using the same model cables and I have several of the same copies of CDs and SACDs; so I should be able to do a meaningful evaluation. I'll report my initial impressions tomorrow.
post #2203 of 5806
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Originally Posted by marks-sf View Post

I have both the 83 and SE hooked up together using the same model cables and I have several of the same copies of CDs and SACDs; so I should be able to do a meaningful evaluation. I'll report my initial impressions tomorrow.

Sounds like a busy but fun evening...

post #2204 of 5806
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Originally Posted by Jim Hef View Post

No, both will play via analog multichannel and 2 channel, along with HDMI, but digital coax and Toslink optical won't transmit SACD as I recall.


Jim, thanks for the info.
post #2205 of 5806
In addition to enabling the ISF mode on my Pioneer 60" Signature Elite plasma, the largest improvement incorporates the SE player:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1208885

Holographic sound from each speaker, with extreme real-life volume capability and clarity and articulation (try Valkyrie with the opening desert scene).
Digital audio and Blu-ray video have reached their full potential. Don't forget I purchased the original Sony CDP-101 CD player in 1981. Only took about 30 years. Sh*t!
post #2206 of 5806
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Originally Posted by jcleve View Post

I have a McIntosh MX-132 - I use the Mac's onboard DACs to handle audio decoding, either co-ax or tos-link connects.

Does anyone think I'd benefit, audibly, from the upgraded DACs in the SE playing SACDs or CDs? Or are the Mac's DACs as good or better, and I can save my money and buy the standard BDP-83? Thanks in advance for the suggestions.

I have an MX-132 as well, and also recently received my upgraded 83. I use the MX-132's "External" analog inputs for mch listening, as well as to send the hi res audio codecs from the 83 thru the MX-132 and out. In order to listen to full res SACD, I believe you'll have to let the 83 decode the audio, either DSD or PCM, and send it out via 2 ch analog outs, or multi ch analog outs. The sound quality is quite good from the 83SE.
Good Luck!
post #2207 of 5806
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Originally Posted by dart383 View Post

Going through Nuforce for the upgrade from 83 to NE costs $100.00 more.
OPPO SE upgrade is 299.00. Plus 396.00 for the SE to NE upgrade from Nuforce. The total is 695.00 if I send my 83 to OPPO for the SE upgrade.
John

Yes that is correct. I don't know if it was you but someone asked can I just send to Nuforce for both upgrades.

The deal Oppo has is very good for the upgrade of there BD-83 too SE.
In my case I didn't want to play around with shipping my BD-83 twice. So I just got the NuForce Edition. But that was when Nuforce had a pre order special (10% off the $1295 price and free shipping) on the NE. (They sold out in 3 days)
Anyway I have just gotten my RMA number from Oppo for my BD-83 upgrade, so I will be sending that player to Oppo after Christmas.
I like deals.

ss
post #2208 of 5806
FW

Public Beta Release
Release date: December 22, 2009
Category: Public Beta Release

Main Version: BDP83-48-1218B
Loader Version: BE2650 or BT0350
Sub Version: MCU83-25-0811
post #2209 of 5806
Well not so much a review as I worked from home all day and played many a MCH disc. I played a little bit of everything, mostly SACDs:

Nickel Creek: This Side
Janine Jansen: Four Seasons
Alsion Krauss: Union Station Live
Dire Straghts: Brother in Arms
Deep Purple: Machine Head
David Sanchez: Coral
Yellowjackets: Time Squared
Lyle Lovett: Joshua Judges Ruth (DVD 20bit DTS)
Sam Cooke: Live At the Copa
Dave Brubeck Quartet: Time Out
Jeff Beck: Live at Ronnie Scott's (BD DTS HD)
Pink Floyd: DSOTM

And I probably forgot some. Now even though I was working most of the time, I am very sensitive to anything that doesn't sound right. The smallest audible anomaly will set me scrambling to find and fix the problem. It's audio OCD really and not a pretty thing to see. So the first report is that everything played beautifully today (and tonight). As a reminder, my system is all analog and it's a 4.0 full range setup. Therefore I'm using 5.1 mixdown mode.

Of course, I couldn't resist doing some serious listening. I always use Time Out to judge how well the equipment conveys the sound of real cymbals and brushes. Happy to say, the SE sounds spectacular on the high end of the spectrum. Very crisp, nice bright ringing with the wood on brass clearly audible. I also use this as a "musicality" check. Is Take Five engaging? Can I work while it's playing? Answer: no I could not

One of my favorite male vocal tracks is Live at the Copa. It should sound like Sam is standing in front of you with the big band vamping behind him. And it does Wille Nelson Stardust SACD is another good male vocal SACD, but it's stereo so I didn't play it today.

The bass on Machine Head is some of the best sounding rock bass you'll find. Very rich solid bass from an old tube stack. Throw in an occasional low end bite, twang, and growl. Smok'n!

The spit in the sax, the vibrato pushed into the violin fret board, the hammer hitting the piano wire, the pick on the guitar string, the chain on the snare drum, the Hammond B3 wah-wah, it's all there with the SE. The wonderful thing is that it's not just the mechanics of the sound. You'll get full emmo guitar from Mr. Beck, Mr Lovett will make you smile, and Alison will make you cry. It's all there in the music, and the SE will tell it to you truthfully.

So there you have it. I probably won't do a full on MCH comparison because I don't have all the cables, a switcher, nor the inclination. This player sounds freak'n great! Don't need no stink'n comparison to tell me that I will do a critical stereo listening review after Christmas, because I know many of you are waiting to find out if the cow bell in Honky Tonk Women sounds better on the SE

Is the SE better than the standard 83 for MCH music? Yes it is. If you have a high quality analog system and enjoy really listening to music, you should definitely get one. Stereo or MCH, it's one great music player.


Styln
post #2210 of 5806
I received my Oppo BDP-83SE today and already have both dedicated 2ch out and the multi-channel output connected to my receiver for a few days of break-in, I listened to it briefly. I am not going to comment on the sound quality difference because I don't want the excitement to cloud my judgement, but have a picture of the SE sticker in place. The picture doesn't do it justice, firmware verson was upgraded by Oppo >

Firmware version: BDP-83-46-1210

Updated picture:
LL
post #2211 of 5806
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Originally Posted by sillysally View Post

Warning!!!

This firmware update my just be for the BD-83, not the SE/NE.

Just tried to have my BD-83NE DL via internet. Massage came back, you have the latest firmware (12/10)

ss

It is for ALL -83 players, but it is BETA fw, so you have to load it onto USB or CD and update that way, because beta fw is never available for internet download.
Remember, this thread is actually dedicated to the differences that the SE and NE versions are, apart from the the standard -83.
All things like firmware revisions and other features, comments, questions, ect... about the player should be located in the main BDP-83 owners thread.
Think of this thread as a sub-forum thread to the owners thread.

Anyway, the firmware has some very nice new features, and I recommend everyone try it.
A couple of the new features may be a bit buggy, but the fw in and of itself is very solid.
Here's a link...

BDP83-48-1218B

After you load the fw, be sure to reset the player to factory default settings so that the new features and GUI changes are visible and usable.
post #2212 of 5806
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Originally Posted by sillysally View Post

Yes that is correct. I don't know if it was you but someone asked can I just send to Nuforce for both upgrades.

The deal Oppo has is very good for the upgrade of there BD-83 too SE.
In my case I didn't want to play around with shipping my BD-83 twice. So I just got the NuForce Edition. But that was when Nuforce had a pre order special (10% off the $1295 price and free shipping) on the NE. (They sold out in 3 days)
Anyway I have just gotten my RMA number from Oppo for my BD-83 upgrade, so I will be sending that player to Oppo after Christmas.
I like deals.

ss

Congrats, I also got my RMA from OPPO today, I will wait untill after Christmas to send it as I am having the family over on Christmas day!
I will PM you on something else.
John
post #2213 of 5806
I have a 10 yr old Denon AVR-4800 with analog and no HDMI. This was Denon's 2nd place receiver just under the flagship 5800.

Will I benefit more buying this player or a new AVR with HDMI? I mostly will use it for Blu-Ray movies which I now watch from the PS3.

Also should I consider the 83 or the 83SE?
post #2214 of 5806
"Release Notes:

...

6. Experimental feature - home network streaming. This feature can be accessed from the "My Network" icon in the "Home Menu" screen. It requires a DLNA-capable media server running on your computer. The supported media types are the common set of what the player can decode and what the media server can stream.
7. Experimental Feature - BluTV. This is an interactive television service that will initially feature channels such as casual games, widgets and movie art. To use this feature, the "BD-Live Network Access" item in the "Network Setup" section and the "Secondary Audio" item in the "Audio Format Setup" section of the player's setup menu must be turned on.

..."

WHAT AN AWESOME COMPANY!!!!!!! I'm so happy right now I'm not even going to mention .flac support

Styln
post #2215 of 5806
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Originally Posted by Smarty-pants View Post

It is for ALL -83 players, but it is BETA fw, so you have to load it onto USB or CD and update that way, because beta fw is never available for internet download.
Remember, this thread is actually dedicated to the differences that the SE and NE versions are, apart from the the standard -83.
All things like firmware revisions and other features, comments, questions, ect... about the player should be located in the main BDP-83 owners thread.
Think of this thread as a sub-forum thread to the owners thread.

Anyway, the firmware has some very nice new features, and I recommend everyone try it.
A couple of the new features may be a bit buggy, but the fw in and of itself is very solid.
Here's a link...

BDP83-48-1218B

After you load the fw, be sure to reset the player to factory default settings so that the new features and GUI changes are visible and usable.

Thanks for the clarification.
Yes I know about bata and USB, but I just wanted to be sure.

I have deleted my Warning post.

ss
post #2216 of 5806
Great review Styln, loved it! A few of my observations so far on the Mch outs: The first thing I noticed was the clarity and the attack/delay of cymbals and triangles. Second was the very tight bass Picked it up right away on the first disk I played, Steely Dan's Gaucho DVD-A. Next up was EJ's Tumbleweed Connection SACD which I thought sounded very good on my Denon DVD-2200. Right now I think it still sounds better on the 2200 which I believe is due to the SE not being broke in yet. Very small sound stage and little envelopment on Where To Now St. Peter? The most night and day difference I noticed was listening to Fleetwood Mac's Rumours DVD-A which never sounded anymore than average to my ears on the 2200. Playing it on the SE was a revelation, I never heard the distinct vocal separation during the harmonies by Nicks/Buckingham on Never Going Back Again before. Nick's vocals on "Dreams" is way back on the sound stage and sounded distant and muddy on the 2200, it was lifted out of the bog on the not yet broken in SE. I listened to a few selections on RBCD on the 2Ch outs and was quite impressed, I believe I might have interest in 2Ch RBCD again........
post #2217 of 5806
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Originally Posted by sillysally View Post


But you Can Not go back to a earlier firmware!!!!!

ss

Yes, you can. But you need to download the 0925 release again.
post #2218 of 5806
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

Yes, you can. But you need to download the 0925 release again.

I tried the 0925 that I had DL when it came out, in my NE but I got a message saying the firmware was incorrect or corrupt. Same with firmware 1110 and 1210.
I could get my NE to except every file except the BD-83 Bin file (27,314KB) using 0925.

Later I will DL a new copy of 0925 and try once more.

Thanks,
ss

Update. Re-downloaded 0925 but still the same thing. Firmware was incorrect or corrupt.
Don't forget I have a BD-83SE Nuforce Edition.

2nd Update. Burned 0925 to a CD and my BD-83NE updated the 0925, with NP.
So I must have a bad thumb drive.
post #2219 of 5806
I saw a review of SE vs NE a few pages back, does anyone have the post number. I am deciding if should stop at the SE upgrade or add the NE when I ship my 83. I can't seem to find that post, I know I read it recently... so many threads it all becomes a blur!!
John
post #2220 of 5806
Would the analog into my AVR-4800 from the 83SE sound just as good as a newer receiver with HDMI? Mostly for blu-ray movies. Would I have problems with bass management?
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