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post #4201 of 5806
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Originally Posted by sonic12 View Post

youll love the oppo with your arcam avr350.multichannel sound is great.

can wait.

just got a phone call from oppo. apparently i ordered it from the canadian site. LOL. didnt know oppo had a canadian site. well something about a canadian IP anyway.

it seems this thread it taking on an arcam 350 following. didnt know there were that many owners of the arcam 350 here. if oppo is as good as arcam then i have no worries about sound quality.

the excitement builds.

EDIT- the quest for the perfect system continues.
post #4202 of 5806
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the only real way to know for certain will be to test it yourself.

Fair enough, just looking for user opinions...not that trying out the different settings and enjoying will be a chore
post #4203 of 5806
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Originally Posted by Htdude14 View Post

Fair enough, just looking for user opinions...not that trying out the different settings and enjoying will be a chore

what will be a chore is if you come to find that you like both options but for different reasons.
post #4204 of 5806
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Originally Posted by johnathanwinter View Post

what will be a chore is if you come to find that you like both options but for different reasons.

Had not thought of that result, would be an interesting dilema...
post #4205 of 5806
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Originally Posted by GCL68 View Post

I received my BDP-83SE. I have a Yamaha RV-V4600 receiver and would like to connect the Oppo to the 5.1 channel imput on the yamaha to take advantage of the upgrade the SE offers. However, I'd also like to use the two channel output from the Oppo also. I understand that if I connect the two channel to the AUX imput of my receiver, the receiver changes the signal to digital. My question is, if I purchase a switcher, such a Zektor brand; can I connect the Oppo 5.1. out to the Zektor and pass the signal into my Yamaha (5.1)? Now, I plan on connecting the two channel from the Oppo to the 2nd imput of the Zektor FL and FR imputs (basically using the 5.1 channel Front left and front right imputs for two cahnnel sound). Will this work out to be lossless analog performance? Please advise. Go easy on me new member/first post.

I'm considering exactly the same set up, between the 83 SE and my Lexicon DC1. Which Zektor switch did you order?
post #4206 of 5806
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Originally Posted by MikeMc5506 View Post

I'm considering exactly the same set up, between the 83 SE and my Lexicon DC1. Which Zektor switch did you order?

Although I don't use the multi-channel analogue output, the 2 channel is awesome. I would not buy/build an elaborate switching setup until you carefully listen to its digital and analogue outputs through your entire system. Depending on your entire system, there are pros and cons to using the bass management and other "features" of your receiver. In my (extremely snobbish) opinion, the Oppo's 2 channel analogue output only really shines with a very high end analogue path that includes full range speakers with no sub-woofers required.

Sam
post #4207 of 5806
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Originally Posted by SamKVA View Post

Although I don't use the multi-channel analogue output, the 2 channel is awesome. I would not buy/build an elaborate switching setup until you carefully listen to its digital and analogue outputs through your entire system. Depending on your entire system, there are pros and cons to using the bass management and other "features" of your receiver. In my (extremely snobbish) opinion, the Oppo's 2 channel analogue output only really shines with a very high end analogue path that includes full range speakers with no sub-woofers required.

Sam

I'm using B&W speakers all around, with B&W 802's for fronts powered by a Bryston 4B amp using a Lexicon DC1 processor/preamp modified for 8ch anlog bypass. Having been sort of away from the AV market for many years, I don't know where my system fits on the scale, but I really enjoy 2Ch sound and don't miss the SW at all. I run HDMI from the Oppo directly to the TV for video.

Currently, I swap connectors from the MCH Fronts to the dedicated 2CH Stereo outs and select "Stereo" on the Oppo playback set up. I'm not sure if I'm playing the same sound that I would if I left playback in MCH and simply connected the Oppo 2CH outs to the R/L inputs of the bypass section of the Lexicon. I need to check that out before I install a switch, but on many discs I like 2CH better than MCH due to the higher level of detail.

If changing the Oppo playback to stereo delivers the same downmix to 2CH, then I think I can just use a simply inexpensive mechanical switch for the MCH front outs to the 2CH stereo outs. Inputs or opinions?
post #4208 of 5806
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Originally Posted by MikeMc5506 View Post

I'm using B&W speakers all around, with B&W 802's for fronts powered by a Bryston 4B amp using a Lexicon DC1 processor/preamp modified for 8ch anlog bypass. Having been sort of away from the AV market for many years, I don't know where my system fits on the scale, but I really enjoy 2Ch sound and don't miss the SW at all. I run HDMI from the Oppo directly to the TV for video.

Currently, I swap connectors from the MCH Fronts to the dedicated 2CH Stereo outs and select "Stereo" on the Oppo playback set up. I'm not sure if I'm playing the same sound that I would if I left playback in MCH and simply connected the Oppo 2CH outs to the R/L inputs of the bypass section of the Lexicon. I need to check that out before I install a switch, but on many discs I like 2CH better than MCH due to the higher level of detail.

If changing the Oppo playback to stereo delivers the same downmix to 2CH, then I think I can just use a simply inexpensive mechanical switch for the MCH front outs to the 2CH stereo outs. Inputs or opinions?

Although I use a separate 2 channel pre-amp, it's no different than using the 2 channel inputs on the same box. I use a passive preamp and high quality cables as an HT bypass switch since my 30 year old analogue pre-amp doesn't have one. If music is important, and considering your speakers, I suspect it is, I would use a passive preamp as your 2 channel path from the Oppo's stereo output to the front power amps. This is assuming you have pre-out/amp-in connections on your receiver.

Sam
post #4209 of 5806
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Originally Posted by johnathanwinter View Post

can wait.

just got a phone call from oppo. apparently i ordered it from the canadian site. LOL. didnt know oppo had a canadian site. well something about a canadian IP anyway.

it seems this thread it taking on an arcam 350 following. didnt know there were that many owners of the arcam 350 here. if oppo is as good as arcam then i have no worries about sound quality.

the excitement builds.

EDIT- the quest for the perfect system continues.

the arcam avr350 has a nice preamp section,the amps are good for a receiver,the new avr600 is 5000 bucks.its probably out of most of our price range.the only adv. in newer receivers is room correction and blue ray hd modes.its not worth it to change.i wish i could afford expensive seperates.yes the quest never ever ends!
post #4210 of 5806
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Originally Posted by Millicurie999 View Post

Interesting. That will make it much more appealing if it's indeed true.

i hope they do this.it turns out it didnt affect me much.i was able to send full range to my main speakers.
i can see it being more important to some one with small speakers and a sub.also some speakers set at 80hz is too high-it tilts the sound to much toward the midrange and treble.
i experimented for weeks and 50hz is what sounds best to integrate with my subwoofer.
i know if things arent set right it will overlode the subwoofer.i dont have this problem.anyways the oppo is a fun toy to play with.
post #4211 of 5806
at the moment I am using the old version of the PS3 as my Standalone Bluray player.I have been thinking if I should sell my PS3 and buy the OPO 83 se.I am not quite sure which is the best player in picture quality speed of loading the film.I do not play games.The price difference between this two,which give me thoughts if this price difference is overall except able.So my question is should I change or not? My Proceed AVP2+6 does not except HDMI so true HD would be only possible over the 7.1 of the OPPO.
post #4212 of 5806
^ Based on what I've read, the BDP-83 offers better video quality and faster loading times than your PS3.

That said, if I'm understanding your question correctly, it's the BDP-83 you should be considering – not the BDP-83 SE. The only reason to choose the BDP-83 SE is for its superior audio quality using its analog outputs – except for that difference, the two models will perform the same. So… if you're not an audiophile (or if you'd be using HDMI rather than the analog outputs) there's no point in spending the extra money for the SE.
post #4213 of 5806
If this was discussed earlier in this thread, I didn't see it.

Please correct me if I'm wrong:

The 2 channel analog out on the SE is superior to the RF & LF analog out of the SE's multichannel section.

All analog outputs (both 2-ch and multi-ch) are always on.

So...
Wouldn't it make sense to use the 2-ch out of the SE to the LF & RF inputs of the multi-ch analog inputs of your pre/pro? (instead of using the mains out on the multi-channel section) And only use the center, surrounds, and sub section of the multi-ch outs of SE?

Thanks!
post #4214 of 5806
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Originally Posted by Rutgar View Post

If this was discussed earlier in this thread, I didn't see it.

Please correct me if I'm wrong:

The 2 channel analog out on the SE is superior to the RF & LF analog out of the SE's multichannel section. <-correct

All analog outputs (both 2-ch and multi-ch) are always on. <-correct

So...
Wouldn't it make sense to run the 2-ch out of the SE to the LF & RF inputs of the multi-ch analog inputs of your pre/pro? And only use the center, surrounds, and sub section of the multi-ch outs of SE? <-no

Thanks!

For the last question, the answer is no because with the 2CH dedicated output, it is ALWAYS full range and a full downmix of MCH audio.
So if you were playing any soundtrack from any media that is in surround sound, all of the 7.0 or 5.0 channels will be coming through the front L/R speakers. Then since you have the other speakers connected too, those sounds will come out of the surrounds as well.
So the surround audio would be played through both the front L/R speakers AND through the surround speakers.

The only exception is if you are listening to an SACD in DSD mode.
In that instance, using the 2CH output will yield only sound from the L/R channels of the soundtrack you are listening to.
So in theory, your idea is a good one for listening to MCH surround SACD discs with DSD, but not for any other form of media.
post #4215 of 5806
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Originally Posted by Rutgar View Post

If this was discussed earlier in this thread, I didn't see it.

Please correct me if I'm wrong:

The 2 channel analog out on the SE is superior to the RF & LF analog out of the SE's multichannel section.

All analog outputs (both 2-ch and multi-ch) are always on.

So...
Wouldn't it make sense to use the 2-ch out of the SE to the LF & RF inputs of the multi-ch analog inputs of your pre/pro? (instead of using the mains out on the multi-channel section) And only use the center, surrounds, and sub section of the multi-ch outs of SE?

Thanks!

That would give an all-channel mix into the FL & FR. Wouldn't that be too much music?

-Bill
post #4216 of 5806
Ah, okay. I see what you guys are saying. Thanks for the replies!

That aside, I gotta say that I love this player!

Also, I know how the audio section is raved about in this player. Which is why I bought one. But after getting it hooked up, one thing I didn't expect was how great the picture was going to be! I have been completely impressed by the imporved PQ over my previous BD player.
post #4217 of 5806
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

That would give an all-channel mix into the LR & LR. Wouldn't that be too much music?

-Bill

you have me confused with LR & LR.
post #4218 of 5806
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Originally Posted by Rutgar View Post

If this was discussed earlier in this thread, I didn't see it.

Please correct me if I'm wrong:

The 2 channel analog out on the SE is superior to the RF & LF analog out of the SE's multichannel section.

All analog outputs (both 2-ch and multi-ch) are always on.

So...
Wouldn't it make sense to use the 2-ch out of the SE to the LF & RF inputs of the multi-ch analog inputs of your pre/pro? (instead of using the mains out on the multi-channel section) And only use the center, surrounds, and sub section of the multi-ch outs of SE?

Thanks!

even though its completely wrong im going to have to try it to find out what it actually sounds like. For example in Band of Brothers when the bullets fly from the front to the back with they also fly from left to right at the same time leaving the listener with a very confusing sound stage? Or will the sound only come from the front and then the rears ending in a broken soundstage where the bullet wont sound like a single bullet going from front to back but actually like two bullets, one in the front and then one later in the back.

Now if someone was only using two fronts and a center couldnt this be a good way to go?
post #4219 of 5806
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Originally Posted by johnathanwinter View Post

you have me confused with LR & LR.

I always regret answering audio questions. I'll change it to FL and FR.

-Bill
post #4220 of 5806
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Originally Posted by johnathanwinter View Post


Now if someone was only using two fronts and a center couldnt this be a good way to go?

It's still not right, as everything that is meant for only the center channel will be played through all 3 speakers.
Though it wouldn't be as fubar as with having surround mixed in, it's still slightly fubar.

Remember also that there will be volume level differences between the 2CH output and the MCH output, so that is something that has to be considered as well.
post #4221 of 5806
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Originally Posted by yin View Post

at the moment I am using the old version of the PS3 as my Standalone Bluray player.I have been thinking if I should sell my PS3 and buy the OPO 83 se.I am not quite sure which is the best player in picture quality speed of loading the film.I do not play games.The price difference between this two,which give me thoughts if this price difference is overall except able.So my question is should I change or not? My Proceed AVP2+6 does not except HDMI so true HD would be only possible over the 7.1 of the OPPO.

The Oppo will give you a slight improvement in video quality for DVD's and any Blurays that aren't 1080p (some concert videos being one example of Blurays that are 1080i). The Oppo also has multi-channel analog audio outputs, so if the Proceed AVP2 doesn't convert the analog inputs to digital (it's been a long time since I owned an AVP or read the specs on the AVP2), then the SE would definitely be a great choice for you. If the AVP2 does digitize the analog inputs, then you might be just as well off with the standard BDP-83 as the extra A->D and D->A steps involved would (at best) minimize the advantages of going with the SE.

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Originally Posted by richardbk View Post

^ Based on what I've read, the BDP-83 offers better video quality and faster loading times than your PS3.

Load times between the Oppo and PS3 are very close, but in my experience, the PS3 is never slower while it is sometimes faster - it's close enough for it to be a moot point though. For picture quality, the Oppo will be a bit better for DVD and any Blurays that need deinterlacing (some convert videos are encoded at 1080i), but no better for 1080p Blurays (the bulk of Blurays). The Oppo also has the obvious advantage of having a multichannel analog output while the PS3 only has 2 channel analog out (and not exactly audiophile quality). The PS3 is an excellent Bluray player - I've found it pretty handy to have both the Oppo and a PS3 Slim in my system as there are times when a movie won't play in one or the other for whatever reason.
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Originally Posted by richardbk View Post

That said, if I'm understanding your question correctly, it's the BDP-83 you should be considering - not the BDP-83 SE. The only reason to choose the BDP-83 SE is for its superior audio quality using its analog outputs - except for that difference, the two models will perform the same. So if you're not an audiophile (or if you'd be using HDMI rather than the analog outputs) there's no point in spending the extra money for the SE.

His Proceed processor doesn't have HDMI, so he would be using the analog outputs. I don't recall for sure if the AVP2 always digitizes the analog inputs - IIRC it doesn't, so he should get the full benefit of the SE version.
post #4222 of 5806
Can anyone who happens to have Best of Abbey Road Season 1 - blu-ray please check if you are getting any audio from the .1 channel of this disk. I get nothing (I went as far as turning all of the channels off to be sure). All my other .1 channels on blu-ray are fine.
Seems odd as the box and bluray reviews state HD Dolby & DTS as 5.1.

Edit- just saw the review on blu-ray.com and he says this is a 4.0 mix. Surprise in this day and age.
post #4223 of 5806
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Originally Posted by Repdetect View Post

Can anyone who happens to have Best of Abbey Road Season 1 - blu-ray please check if you are getting any audio from the .1 channel of this disk. I get nothing (I went as far as turning all of the channels off to be sure). All my other .1 channels on blu-ray are fine.
Seems odd as the box and bluray reviews state HD Dolby & DTS as 5.1.

Edit- just saw the review on blu-ray.com and he says this is a 4.0 mix. Surprise in this day and age.

4.0! Really? I'm picking it up now. Thanks Rep

Styln
post #4224 of 5806
First time making a DVD-A disc. Took some time, but I think I've got it. Just need someone with experience to confirm that when the BDP-83 info screen says: "-> 4.5 Mbs" in the upper left hand corner and "MLP 96k" in the lower left hand corner, that I've successfully transferred a stereo 24/96 .flac file to DVD-A at full resolution. I'm calculating this as: 24 bits * 9600 samples * 2 channels so should be good there. Frankly unclear what MLP means (something about packed binary), but it seems to be associated with HD audio... which is... good?

Thanks for any pointers,

Styln

PS Tried a couple of programs, but the one that is working best for me right now is DVD-Audiofile http://24bit.turtleside.com/DVD-Audiofile0.60.win.zip
post #4225 of 5806
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Originally Posted by smargo View Post

The avr 600 is relatively glich free and sounds pristine - I have a newer unit with the latest firmware - I m using the analog outs on the oppo for 2 channel music and hdmi for movies

I think k rubinson answered the question unless your disputing his response

i would never dispute kal!i highly respect his opinon.compared to his vast knowledge im a complete novice.
glad to hear your avr600 is working great.i was almost drooling when i saw the silver version at a local hi fi shop.
i havent hooked up a usb line to the oppo unit.
i pulled out my old marantz laser disc player from the early 90s.it worked!picture was good but audio pretty dull compared to the oppo.
post #4226 of 5806
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Originally Posted by Smarty-pants View Post

It's still not right, as everything that is meant for only the center channel will be played through all 3 speakers.
Though it wouldn't be as fubar as with having surround mixed in, it's still slightly fubar.

Remember also that there will be volume level differences between the 2CH output and the MCH output, so that is something that has to be considered as well.

Wouldn't it work if the 2 ch output was the only connection to the MCH - F/L & F/R and the Oppo was set to DSD? When playing anything else it could go directly to an HDMI?
post #4227 of 5806
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Originally Posted by Jim Cate View Post

Re: "BDP-83 NE personal review"

It's well known that an important factor to consider when comparing two or more components is that for meaningful results the signal levels of the components must be carefully matched, e.g., level within plus or minus 0.5 dB. - Did you check to see that this was the case? (Sorry if I missed it if this was discussed in your extensive review.)

Dear Jim, indeed I did not write in detail about this, but yes it was - and it was double-checked even at one point:

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Originally Posted by Rachmaninoff View Post

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The Onkyo is a little less articulate, but also less dynamic, and after gauging the basic volume, I couldn't quite pinpoint why this should be so.

I suppose I should have written matching the signal, rather than "gauging the basic volume ..."
post #4228 of 5806
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Originally Posted by sonic12 View Post

i hope they do this.it turns out it didnt affect me much.i was able to send full range to my main speakers.
i can see it being more important to some one with small speakers and a sub.also some speakers set at 80hz is too high-it tilts the sound to much toward the midrange and treble.
i experimented for weeks and 50hz is what sounds best to integrate with my subwoofer.
i know if things arent set right it will overlode the subwoofer.i dont have this problem.anyways the oppo is a fun toy to play with.

Whoa Did you send full range or crossover at 50Hz to your speakers with the Oppo? How did you manage to crossover at 50Hz anyway since the Oppo is fixed at 80Hz?
post #4229 of 5806
I posted this in another thread I have been reading and someone suggested posting to this one and reviewing it. Here is my post, I will begin looking thru this thread now. Thanks in advance for any assistance!!

===>

Hello - I'm a newbie to forums and AV. Perhaps you folks can help, and think of this as an exercise in patience? :-)

I have an opportunity to purchase a dealer demo Marantz UD8004 (in excellent condition) versus Oppo 83 Nuforce for about the same money ---$1300. I need help in making the decision or perhaps another alternative.

Can anyone compare? I'm guessing the video will be very comparable, the Marantz will be slower, but not sure about the audio. Some say about the same, others say Marantz hand down.

Here is my intended setup.

DVD player 2CH stereo analog output to the 2CH stereo inputs on Rotel DSP-1068 using analog bypass meaning no digital conversion in the Rotel preamp.

DVD player MCH analog output to the MCH inputs on Rotel preamp again bypassing digital controls in the Rotel preamp.

DVD player HDMI output to my Samsung 40" display for video.

If needed, I could also digital coax out from DVD into Rotel preamp. The Rotel preamp does not have HDMI but that's ok as I plan analog for music.

I would REALLY appreciate any and all help. The cost will be around $1300.

I could try to save money and just stick with Oppo 83SE.

Based on the info from reading this forum, it sounds like the regular Oppo 83 (non-SE or non-NE) would be cheaper but I would notice a fair amount of difference since I am able to use analog output.

Thanks in advance!!!!
p.s. If this doesn't post properly, pls forgive.
post #4230 of 5806
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Originally Posted by Styln View Post

First time making a DVD-A disc. Took some time, but I think I've got it. Just need someone with experience to confirm that when the BDP-83 info screen says: "-> 4.5 Mbs" in the upper left hand corner and "MLP 96k" in the lower left hand corner, that I've successfully transferred a stereo 24/96 .flac file to DVD-A at full resolution. I'm calculating this as: 24 bits * 9600 samples * 2 channels so should be good there. Frankly unclear what MLP means (something about packed binary), but it seems to be associated with HD audio... which is... good?

Thanks for any pointers,

Styln

PS Tried a couple of programs, but the one that is working best for me right now is DVD-Audiofile http://24bit.turtleside.com/DVD-Audiofile0.60.win.zip

You have succeeded. MLP (Meridian Lossless Packing) is the standard PCM format for DVD-Audio developed by Bob Stuart of Meridian. Even though full 5.1 24x96 data rate would exceed 13MB/s MLP's compression brings the transfer rate within DVD's 9.6MB/s maximum yet with no loss of information. MLP is also why most DVD players cannot play back DVD-A as they don't have the codec. Fortunately, OPPO decided to include it as I too have made a number of them and they sound great.

Regards,

Mark
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