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post #31 of 102
It's sad, but it seems the only way to make WDTV Live work with Windows 7 is to massively work around all the security measures in Windows 7.

That's not what I call "working with Windows 7".
post #32 of 102
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Originally Posted by pinkfloydhomer View Post

It's sad, but it seems the only way to make WDTV Live work with Windows 7 is to massively work around all the security measures in Windows 7.

That's not what I call "working with Windows 7".

Nor is it really all WD's fault either.
post #33 of 102
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Originally Posted by christoofar View Post

Nor is it really all WD's fault either.

Why?

I know that SMB/CIFS sharing under Windows 7 is different and basically more secure on Windows 7 than with earlier versions, and that this might make it more difficult for standard Linux stuff such as Samba to work correctly with Windows 7.

But if it is too hard for WD to make it work, then they should just not say that WDTV Live is compatible with Windows 7. You know, sharing with Windows 7 on a normal network with Windows 7, Windows Vista, Windows XP etc. is not a huge problem that requires you to disable all security. So it can be made to simply work. WD hasn't, though.
post #34 of 102
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Originally Posted by pinkfloydhomer View Post

Why?

Because others seemingly have it working with Windows 7.
post #35 of 102
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Originally Posted by christoofar View Post

Because others seemingly have it working with Windows 7.

There are many variables at play here. WDTV Live might work better with some configurations than with others. That doesn't change what I wrote.

That said, I'm a little confused about your statement. Are you saying that the vast amount of people who independently are having trouble with WDTV Live + Windows 7 are all just wrong? If so, can you prove that? It seems far more likely that WDTV Live doesn't play well with certain (many, even out of the box) configurations of Windows 7. If you think otherwise, you have the burden of proof.

On my network, many different computers and operating systems can see my Windows 7 shares all the time, with no hassles. Worked out of the box.

With WDTV Live, I can sometimes see my shares, sometimes not, sometimes some of the shares. Even when I can see a share, I cannot always see all the files within the share. Changing file system permissions to allow "Everyone" to read my files (not at network level, at file system level, as described in the above guide) seems to be the only way to make this last part work a little more consistently.

Many other people are having the same problems. I think it's a little arrogant of you to assume that just because it works for some people, all the others are wrong. Replace the WDTV Live with some other network computer, and it works fine with Windows 7. The conclusion seems obvious.
post #36 of 102
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Originally Posted by pinkfloydhomer View Post

There are many variables at play here. WDTV Live might work better with some configurations than with others. That doesn't change what I wrote.

That said, I'm a little confused about your statement. Are you saying that the vast amount of people who independently are having trouble with WDTV Live + Windows 7 are all just wrong? If so, can you prove that? It seems far more likely that WDTV Live doesn't play well with certain (many, even out of the box) configurations of Windows 7. If you think otherwise, you have the burden of proof.

On my network, many different computers and operating systems can see my Windows 7 shares all the time, with no hassles. Worked out of the box.

With WDTV Live, I can sometimes see my shares, sometimes not, sometimes some of the shares. Even when I can see a share, I cannot always see all the files within the share. Changing file system permissions to allow "Everyone" to read my files (not at network level, at file system level, as described in the above guide) seems to be the only way to make this last part work a little more consistently.

Many other people are having the same problems. I think it's a little arrogant of you to assume that just because it works for some people, all the others are wrong. Replace the WDTV Live with some other network computer, and it works fine with Windows 7. The conclusion seems obvious.

I'm not sure exactly where you find "arrogance" in what I said.

What I said was:
Nor is it really all WD's fault either.

Perhaps you missed my emphasis on "ALL WD's fault".

If SOME people have it working with Win 7, and others who don't, I am not claiming ANYONE is wrong, I am pointing out that to blame ALL network/share issues solely on the WDTVLive isn't a valid claim, that is all.
I'm in NO WAY saying that the WDTVLive's network function is perfect, this is the flaw that is posted the most about in here, & I am pretty sure WD is working on the issue.
post #37 of 102
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Originally Posted by christoofar View Post

I'm not sure exactly where you find "arrogance" in what I said.

What I said was:
Nor is it really all WD's fault either.

Perhaps you missed my emphasis on "ALL WD's fault".

If SOME people have it working with Win 7, and others who don't, I am not claiming ANYONE is wrong, I am pointing out that to blame ALL network/share issues solely on the WDTVLive isn't a valid claim, that is all.
I'm in NO WAY saying that the WDTVLive's network function is perfect, this is the flaw that is posted the most about in here, & I am pretty sure WD is working on the issue.

Okay, then let me ask you this: Whose fault is it, besides WD?

I'm genuinely interested in your answer.
post #38 of 102
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Originally Posted by doctor media View Post

DO NOT EDIT THE REGISTRY

Follow these instructions to share on Windows7

(1) Run “Local Security Policy” applet under “Administrative Tools”. If you don’t see administrative tools, enable it under the properties of the “Start” menu

(2) Under local policies –> User Rights Assignment

When you see “Deny access to the computer from the network”, REMOVE user “guest”.

(3) Under “Local Policies” –> User Rights Assignment, find “Access this computer from the network” –> add ‘EVERYONE’ and ‘ANONYMOUS LOGON’

(4) Under local policies –> Security Options –> find “Accounts: Limit local account use of blank passwords”. Change the setting to “disabled”.

(5) Under local policies –> Security Options –> Network Access: Shares that can be accessed anonymously –> type in the name of your shares

(6) Enable the guest account; set the guest password to blank

(7) Check the share permissions on your share and make sure it has EVERYONE “read”

(8) Check the file permissions on the files in your share and make sure it has EVERYONE “read”

Enjoy.

Unfortunately this doesn't work either. It isn't possible to change Guest password, though I believe it is empty by default anyway. WD Live refuses to log in either as "anonymous" or as "Guest".
post #39 of 102
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Originally Posted by pinkfloydhomer View Post

Okay, then let me ask you this: Whose fault is it, besides WD?

I'm genuinely interested in your answer.

1. End user's varied computer/networking configurations and skill levels.
2. Windows 7's security functions.(And I seem to recall that this just came out, not that there are ever any issues when MS releases a new OS)
3. WDTVLive's less than stellar networking support.
post #40 of 102
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Originally Posted by christoofar View Post

1. End user's varied computer/networking configurations and skill levels.
2. Windows 7's security functions.
3. WDTVLive's less than stellar networking support.

1. You're assuming that a significant part of the problems we're hearing about with WDTV Live + Windows 7, comes from misconfiguration only. Then why aren't we hearing the same thing about XP?
If you mean that people can just follow a guide like the one above, to arrive at a configuration that works with WDTV Live, then I will say this: That's not a solution, that's a hack, a workaround. If WDTV Live truly worked with Windows 7, it would behave as other computers do when working with shares from Windows 7. It doesn't. It's the odd one out. Just because a problem can be worked around by massive misconfiguration doesn't mean that users configuration skills is the issue.

2. How can Windows 7's security functions be to blame when WDTV Live claims to work with Windows 7? Then WDTV Live should work with said security functions out of the box.

3. Agreed

Note that I am no saying that Windows 7 is perfect, nor that it's sharing security isn't annoying an non-intuitive. I am just saying that WD shouldn't claim the WDTV Live works with Windows 7 when it is only true if you massively re- and misconfigure Windows 7. Windows 7 might work with WDTV Live after doing this, but it might not work with anything else, and it certainly leaves Windows 7 much more vulnerable.
post #41 of 102
I COMPLETELY agree than WDTVLive's network abilities are weak at the moment (to the point that I abandoned it as a media streamer & am now using an ASRock 300 nettop w/ XBMC)
But as a media player with attached hdd, connected via wireless or ethernet, to transfer files from your other PCS over to it, it works a treat. Using it in this way completely eliminates the judders, stutters, dropped frames, dropped shares etc. that are giving users grief.
And again, I'm sure that WD is painfully aware of it's need for a fix. They will get things ironed out. To not do so would be simple market suicide.
post #42 of 102
I agree totally that the WDTV Live is a really good media player, especially considering it's price, as long as you don't have to share something with it over the network from Windows 7.

I am considering the ASRock ION 330 with XBMC also
post #43 of 102
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Originally Posted by pinkfloydhomer View Post


I am considering the ASRock ION 330 with XBMC also

Mine w/ Win XP Pro 32 & the XBMC beta w/ Confluance skin is suh-weet!
post #44 of 102
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Originally Posted by christoofar View Post

Mine w/ Win XP Pro 32 & the XBMC beta w/ Confluance skin is suh-weet!

Nice
post #45 of 102
btw....the WDTVLive is not the only one having issues trying to set up shares in Windows 7 without hassles.

http://xbmc.org/forum/showthread.php?t=63116
post #46 of 102
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Originally Posted by christoofar View Post

btw....the WDTVLive is not the only one having issues trying to set up shares in Windows 7 without hassles.

http://xbmc.org/forum/showthread.php?t=63116

did any one downgrade to vista and problems fixed?
post #47 of 102
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Originally Posted by aos007 View Post

Unfortunately this doesn't work either. It isn't possible to change Guest password, though I believe it is empty by default anyway. WD Live refuses to log in either as "anonymous" or as "Guest".

I don't know what you are using, but all versions of Windows7 let you change the guest password.
post #48 of 102
Another poster here said they could get WD to read their C drive. I have no problems with that. I can also get it to see my E drive. However, I just a week ago drop another drive in my PC and it won't pick it up. I have made sure the security settings are identical. Has anyone experienced this?

Also, I have some movies that are not showing up. Not really sure why. It is pretty weird.
post #49 of 102
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Originally Posted by doctor media View Post

I don't know what you are using, but all versions of Windows7 let you change the guest password.

W7 Professional. No way to change password. I even tried logging as the Guest. There IS a "change your Windows password" link in that case, but if you click it it just leads you to a page to change picture or disable account. It's really strange.

Anyway, the right way would be to either add code to WD to make it able to join a Homegroup or make it able to stream any content from it through DLNA. SMB way of sharing is on its way out, and none too soon - it made Windows users a laughing stock.
post #50 of 102
I have done all that you said repeatedly, rebooted the PC and the box many times.
Still no luck.
Windows 7 x64 Pro.
Running wired from the box to my router (dd-wrt)
Windows Firewall is off
Tried sharing folders or drive.
Either way I'm prompted with login info and no matter what i put in there I get 'media cannot be accessed' or something like that I don't even get a folder/directory listing.
Thanks for all your help, let me know what I can do give you info on trying to help me.
post #51 of 102
Why are some movies not even being detected when I turn WDTV Live on? This is really starting to make me mad.
post #52 of 102
Thread Starter 
You can always contact me over MSN and I can help you over remote control.
Yesterday one guy contacted me from Canada, and we make it work in 45min.
post #53 of 102
The registry edit worked great!
I must admit a few things:
1. I was not looking in the right spot, check the HKEY LOCAL MACHINE and drill down and double check
2. I did not reboot

I made the registry changes and it didn't work so I spent three to four days trying everything under the sun, even installed virtual box and did a sys link to my drive and shared it under XP, but virtualbox was a temp solution; I went back and rechecked my registry and saw that I missed one, fixed it and rebooted and it worked.

I can't thank whoever came up with enough.
Thank you!
post #54 of 102
Thread Starter 
If still you have problems with your WD and Win 7, fell free to contact me over MSN and I can help you over remote control.

Have a nice weekend!
post #55 of 102
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Originally Posted by With_Style View Post

Hi,

As I know, noone has found solution how to avoid problems with sharing your media files over the network with Windows 7. Even with Media Server or with Network Shares...
Well, I just installed Windows7 x64 - Enterprise and after 2-3 hours of searching for solution over the internet, after trying everything - I couldn't make it work - to watch videos shared with Windows 7.

Then I stop searching and browsing the and I found solution which I would like to share with the rest of the world, to help everyone.
Here is the text version and at the end you can find video tutorials - which aren't in high definition but I hope it will help you:

OS: Windows7 x64 Enterprise edition | Evaluation Edition for IT

Mine settings:
Windows Firewall - OFF
Network: Home Network
Shared Libraries - Nothing, all OFF
Media Steaming - OFF

Advanced Sharing Setting:
Turn on network discovery
Turn on file and printer sharing
Turn on sharing so anyone with network access can read and write... - BUT, I removed (this is just ME) from: My Computer -> Right Click -> Manage -> Shared Folders -> Share: User(s) -> Right Click -> Stop Sharing
- Why I done this? -> Because when I access with WDTV Live to my pc, I do not want to see anything else except files I shared
Use 128 bit encryption
Allow Windows to manage homegroup connection

WDTV Live:
Network Setup: Automatic IP
Clear login info


This is important stuff - How to make share with Windows 7 and WDTV Live:
Part1:
My Computer -> Right Click -> Manage -> Shared folders -> Right Click on Shares -> Click New Share -> Next -> Browse folder with media files -> Next -> Next -> Select Customize Permissions -> Click Custom:
Group or user names:
- Administrators - FullControl, Change, Read - Check
- Everyone - FullControl, Change, Read - Check
(If any of these missing, add them)
Click OK -> Finish -> Finish

Part2:
Go to Computer Managment -> Shared folders -> Shares: Right Click on Share -> Properties -> Security (tab) -> Advanced -> Change Permissions:
Remove/Uncheck - Include inhertable permissions from this object's parent
REMOVE
(Then) Add Administrators - Allow EVERYTHING
(Then) Add Everyone - Allow Reading permissions (I didn't try full permisisons, but it should work) - basically everything with word "read" in it
press OK

Part3:
Go to the "Owner" Tab (in Advanced Security Settings for "Your Shared Folder")
Current owner must be "Administrators", if it's not then:
Press: EDIT, Select Administrators, check "Replace owner on subcontainers and objects" -> OK -> OK -> OK -> OK -> Exit Computer Managment


Extra notes:
You don't need to create extra user for WDTV (like some people suggested - this suggestion works great with WinXP, but it's not needed for Win7)
I tested this also with sharing whole drive -> also work without any problems.


Play your media files:
With WDTV Live go to videos menu -> Network Shares -> YourPC: and your folder should appear now in WDTV without any errors!

Hope this will help to you, please leave feedback at least to know if I helped you!?
Thank you


Video Tutorials:
How to setup sharing with Windows 7 and make it work for WDTV Live (Foder with movies example):
Download : http://www.2shared.com/file/8980507/..._-_Folder.html
Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zF0v7HGGw2Q

How to setup sharing with Windows 7 and make it work for WDTV Live (Foder with subfolders example):
Download: http://www.2shared.com/file/8980530/...ubfolders.html
Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVZ5Um8s8jo

- I can't remember which codec you will need to watch videos, don't kill me, find out it by yourself

At the end: Sorry for my english

Thank You. I follwed your instruction and I am able to see/play video files in my shared folders on my desk/laptop now.

I also created a shared folder in usb drive to see if it works in external hard drive. Yes, it works.
post #56 of 102
I was really happy that this thread helped me get the shares set up correctly and without using all the stupid sharing wizards. my WDTV Live was working great last night. Now today my computer no longer shows up under Network Shares on the WDTV Live. I am using Win7 x64 Pro and tried all the different registry fixes and changes noted throughout this thread. I am pretty tech savvy so I know my way around, making sure all the security attributes are applied properly.

No matter what I try right now, absolutely nothing happens when I go to "Network Shares" on the WDTV
post #57 of 102
Thread Starter 
I had the same issue 2 days ago.

Solution:
Deleted all shares - started over again and put:
Admins, Everyone, Auth users, Home users, Users - Full Permisison
post #58 of 102
I followed AVS66's videos and all is well now. I didn't follow any instructions outside of the videos.
post #59 of 102
The registry tweak works and its legit!!! From microsoft support in the win7 support forums:




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Originally Posted by with_style View Post

update:
ok after testing windows 7 x64 enterprise edition i bought windows 7 ultimate x64 and i run on the same issues again. Even i updated wdtv live i couldn't access my data over wdtv. Anyway, i solved my problem in 10min, so here is the thing:



After doing all steps i made one step more which i didn't tell you before, because i belived it's not important, but it is:

so please, make this registry change to make it work:
1. Navigate to the following location in the registry editor.
Machine\\system\\currentcontrolset\\control\\lsa\\
2. On the right side, double-click on 'everyoneincludesanonymous' and change the 'value data' from '0' to '1'
3. Double-click on 'nolmhash' and change the 'value data' from '1' to '0'
4. Navigate to the following location in the registry editor:
Machine\\system\\currentcontrolset\\services\\lanmanserver\\ parameters
5. Double-click on 'restrictnullsessaccess' and change the 'value data' from '1' to '0'
6. Close the registry editor

finally, restart your pc and wdtv live!

- if you still getting error - something like: "no media in the current folder" - then do not share your drive, share just folder by right click - share with - home group (read).
- atm i don't have time to figure out how to share whole disk with win7 ultimate - i didn't have this issues with enterprise version.

update:2
i make it work with whole drive:
part2:
go to computer managment -> shared folders -> shares: Right click on your share -> properties -> security (tab) -> edit -> add:
- your user (full)
- homeusers (full)
-> ok

then, advance - >
owner: Administrators (like from tutorial)
permissions:
Administrator, your user, home users - full
everyone - read & execute (like from tutorial - 5 checkbox)

restart wd!
post #60 of 102
THANK YOU With_Style! I was up till 3am last night fighting with my new Live and couldn't get it to actually see the files in any shared folder that it did see OK. I already did the registry hack from someone else, I was checking out U-Tube videos of how to fix it and ran across yours, it went too fast for me BUT it led me to your post here with the tutorial and I slowly wrapped my head around what you were saying and my first shared folder actually now had files in it and would play It took me a bit to figure out what exactly I'd done again but I finally got all the other shared folders with video in them to work as well. I'm using Win7 RC7100 32 bit and having both users accounts present and all permissions setup does seem critical as until I got all that just right it saw no files.
People are still trying to get this thing to network in 7 and if they'd try your solution maybe they'd be happy campers again rather then smashing the box and buying something else.
It really shouldn't be this hard to setup but at least it's doable and after a few times with the steps it goes pretty fast.
I'm using a 8 port router/VPN switch and have Kaspersky Internet security and have the windows firewall turned off and after doing your setup I didn't have to reset anything on the firewall/anti virus either.
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