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They are an authorized dealer, I called Pioneer and they verified it, they do not list them all on the pio website and it even says that on the pio website, only way to tell is to call pio. As clarified to me by pio, VE is not an authorized Internet dealer, so they cannot use a cart to take orders over Internet, which they don't. All is good, very safe I think to buy from them.

Oh cool. I guess I've narrowed the retailer down to Vanns or VE. Just need to get my room finished and everything in order before I actually make the final choice.

At this point I'm pretty sure on getting the 500m. I found one place that sells the 600m under 3000, but it's a website that doesn't have a ton of reviews and (to me) seems a bit sketchy. I think the website was called AVinDemand?
I kind of like the idea of getting a 500m for the bed room and saving a bit of money vs buying a 600m, and maybe getting the ISF patch and a HTIB

But it's really good to know that VE is a authorized dealer. I like some of their packages. It's going to be a tough call, because while I like the 'pixel perfect' deal, I really like the included table top stand that Vanns ships.
post #32 of 82
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I wonder if your problem is the dark room and straining to see a dim picture. Have you tried watching with a lamp on to see if that is more comfortable?

Yes...lamps work great but it ruins the experience for me. Already have the IL bias light. I have been thinking about getting some low wattage lamps/bulbs and place strategically; sort of like the dim lighting in a movie theatre.
post #33 of 82
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Yes, they can develop later...take it from me, with a Pro-111FD. Then, you are SUNK.


So your set developed some dead pixels? Are they noticeable from where you sit? How far away are you from the set?

I'll probably be sitting around 7-9 feet away, I would hope dead pixels aren't noticeable from that distance!
post #34 of 82
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Originally Posted by Axis343 View Post

...I really like the included table top stand that Vanns ships.

If you are given the choice of the 02 or the 23 stand, the word has been that the 23 is of better quality. I have the 23 and am happy with it.
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Yes...lamps work great but it ruins the experience for me. Already have the IL bias light. I have been thinking about getting some low wattage lamps/bulbs and place strategically; sort of like the dim lighting in a movie theatre.

How far away do you usuaully sit away from the tv? How big is the room it's in?
post #36 of 82
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If you are given the choice of the 02 or the 23 stand, the word has been that the 23 is of better quality. I have the 23 and am happy with it.

The one that Vanns includes for free is the PDK-TS23. Although if I buy through VE and they don't include the stand, I can just purchase it seperatly from Vanns, but that costs more money then if I just order it from Vanns, lol.

Choices, choices choices...
post #37 of 82
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If you are given the choice of the 02 or the 23 stand, the word has been that the 23 is of better quality. I have the 23 and am happy with it.

The TS23 is much more substantial. The TS02 is more like my 5080 stand was before I wall-mounted the display: decent, but it doesn't have that "this thing is rooted to where it sits" feel to it.
post #38 of 82
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How far away do you usuaully sit away from the tv? How big is the room it's in?

Room is 14'x16' and I am 10' away. I could move farther back but will need to make some major changes.
post #39 of 82
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Room is 14'x16' and I am 10' away. I could move farther back but will need to make some major changes.

Seems like pretty large room, and you have trouble with it bring too bright?

That's good news to my ears, cause I'm hoping it will be bright and have a little 'pop' factor to it, but the room it will be going into will be a bit smaller. Hopefully it won't be too bright.
post #40 of 82
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Originally Posted by Jonesy11 View Post

They are an authorized dealer, I called Pioneer and they verified it, they do not list them all on the pio website and it even says that on the pio website, only way to tell is to call pio. As clarified to me by pio, VE is not an authorized Internet dealer, so they cannot use a cart to take orders over Internet, which they don't. All is good, very safe I think to buy from them.

so does that mean that value electronics wont ship poineer tvs? i keep hearing people buy from them and its hard to believe they are all located in/near the new york area.
post #41 of 82
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

Yes, they can develop later...take it from me, with a Pro-111FD. Then, you are SUNK.

horrible news...how bad was yours and how long into ownership did they appear? can you still watch TV without it being a big deal?
post #42 of 82
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Originally Posted by Axis343 View Post

So your set developed some dead pixels? Are they noticeable from where you sit? How far away are you from the set?

I'll probably be sitting around 7-9 feet away, I would hope dead pixels aren't noticeable from that distance!

If they're simply dead, you likely won't notice it from that far out. Sitting 6.5 feet out, I *occasionally* notice it with brightly lit screens when there is clarity/uniformity of the content around the area of the pixels.

Ash, I noticed them 6 months after usage...I just happened to be near the screen (2 feet), glancing nonchalantly and unassumingly when I saw the defect. That obviously set me up with the knowledge of exactly where to look when viewing from a normal distance. I'm learning to live with it...because I can occasionally see them. I try to use mental control to block it from my mind and 90% of the time, I am able to forget their presence (until the occasional brightly lit screen ).
post #43 of 82
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If they're simply dead, you likely won't notice it from that far out. Sitting 6.5 feet out, I *occasionally* notice it with brightly lit screens when there is clarity/uniformity of the content around the area of the pixels.

Ash, I noticed them 6 months after usage...I just happened to be near the screen (2 feet), glancing nonchalantly and unassumingly when I saw the defect. That obviously set me up with the knowledge of exactly where to look when viewing from a normal distance. I'm learning to live with it...because I can occasionally see them. I try to use mental control to block it from my mind and 90% of the time, I am able to forget their presence (until the occasional brightly lit screen ).


Sounds a bit like my Iphone. I noticed it has 2 dead pixels pretty close to each other. I just happened to see them when I was looking at it pretty closely. Normally I don't see them, but every now and then I'll see them while in an app or watching a video.
But like you, 90% of the time I don't notice them. So if I do get any dead pixels on any future TVs, I hope it's a bit like that.
post #44 of 82
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

If they're simply dead, you likely won't notice it from that far out. Sitting 6.5 feet out, I *occasionally* notice it with brightly lit screens when there is clarity/uniformity of the content around the area of the pixels.

Ash, I noticed them 6 months after usage...I just happened to be near the screen (2 feet), glancing nonchalantly and unassumingly when I saw the defect. That obviously set me up with the knowledge of exactly where to look when viewing from a normal distance. I'm learning to live with it...because I can occasionally see them. I try to use mental control to block it from my mind and 90% of the time, I am able to forget their presence (until the occasional brightly lit screen ).

note to self-dont avoid looking at the screen close up for any reason.

did you do a pixel check when you first got the TV to make sure there were no dead pixels? could it be you just happened to notice them 6 months into ownership and they there all along? stuck pixels can be fixed right?
post #45 of 82
Value Electronics *is* on the Pioneer web site. As pointed out, they're not authorized to sell over the internet. If you care to find them, look up the model you're interested in and then press the search for local dealers button, and type in their zip code.

I've yet to see a case on this board where a company not listed on the Pioneer web site was confirmed by Pioneer to be a dealer unless the web page was just lagging behind by a few days.

Some companies who claim to be Pioneer authorized, are not authorized to sell Plasmas let alone Elite Plasmas, but often something else like Car Audio or DJ equipment.
post #46 of 82
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Originally Posted by ashbrown View Post

note to self-dont avoid looking at the screen close up for any reason.

did you do a pixel check when you first got the TV to make sure there were no dead pixels? could it be you just happened to notice them 6 months into ownership and they there all along? stuck pixels can be fixed right?

No, I was already very mindful of getting a pixel-perfect screen when I initially made the purchase. I started the break-in immediately, which is very unforgiving in terms of defective pixels.

Stuck pixels can be fixed? I doubt it...eventually, they'll just fail.
post #47 of 82
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Alright, hopefully in a the next week or so everything will be set up for the almighty 500m.

Seeing how this will be the first TV I've ordered online I wanted to make sure I understand everything. So I'm making a check-list for the delivery, things to check for before signing.

Cracked Screen
Dead Pixels
Buzzing

A cracked screen is pretty easy to check, just open the box and inspect the screen, but will the delivery people let me plug it in and hook up a dvd player to make sure EVERYTHING is in working order? Also if the info helps right now I plan on making the purchase from Vann's (as it seems by the time the room is ready VE will no longer have their Pixel Perfect package).

I'm really just confused about what happens if I find a Dead Pixel. Even if I find something as small as one dead pixel, I can decide to have them ship it back and try for another unit?
I'm just so use to Best Buy fighting me tooth and nail with returns for anything.
post #48 of 82
Ya that is what I am wondering. I just ordered a 500M and am looking for everything I need to check when it arrives. I am really concerned about dead pixels. I didn't know if the delivery guy will wait for me to hook it up and run through a few test patterns to see if I see any dead pixels (what is the best way to do this anyways?). And if I do find some dead pixels, will they let me return it for a different one? I didn't think you could return a TV for just a couple dead pixels. I could deny delivery if I see dead pixels but some companies will charge you shipping both ways if you deny delivery and there is nothing wrong with the TV (which a few dead pixels may fall in that category).
post #49 of 82
Refuse to sign for it until you've checked it. This is what I did. Most of them want to avoid bringing anything back as undeliverable or refused so if you're firm they'll usually yield.
post #50 of 82
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Ya that is what I am wondering. I just ordered a 500M and am looking for everything I need to check when it arrives. I am really concerned about dead pixels. I didn't know if the delivery guy will wait for me to hook it up and run through a few test patterns to see if I see any dead pixels (what is the best way to do this anyways?). And if I do find some dead pixels, will they let me return it for a different one? I didn't think you could return a TV for just a couple dead pixels. I could deny delivery if I see dead pixels but some companies will charge you shipping both ways if you deny delivery and there is nothing wrong with the TV (which a few dead pixels may fall in that category).

The slides are good, also anything with big stretches of sky etc..., or preferably a combination. I didn't actually think to look for any pixel problems on mine and was lucky. All I really checked was that it received a signal properly, turned on, and didn't have any cracks, large or small, anywhere on the screen.
post #51 of 82
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Oh cool. I guess I've narrowed the retailer down to Vanns or VE. Just need to get my room finished and everything in order before I actually make the final choice.

At this point I'm pretty sure on getting the 500m. I found one place that sells the 600m under 3000, but it's a website that doesn't have a ton of reviews and (to me) seems a bit sketchy. I think the website was called AVinDemand?
I kind of like the idea of getting a 500m for the bed room and saving a bit of money vs buying a 600m, and maybe getting the ISF patch and a HTIB

But it's really good to know that VE is a authorized dealer. I like some of their packages. It's going to be a tough call, because while I like the 'pixel perfect' deal, I really like the included table top stand that Vanns ships.

If you can scrape up a few hundred more, AVSer "elite-home" is a dealer that has the 600M for $3400. I could have gotten you one for around $3200 a month ago, but my dealer blew threw all of 70 of them. If it helps, think of it this way, you are really getting a $6500 panel for only $3400.

You won't regret the purchase. There is no better TV on the market, and frankly, outside of going bigger or waiting for 3D tech to mature, I don't see much room for improvement. The black levels on my 600M are a close to the TV being off as I've ever seen.

post #52 of 82
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If you can scrape up a few hundred more, AVSer "elite-home" is a dealer that has the 600M for $3400. I could have gotten you one for around $3200 a month ago, but my dealer blew threw all of 70 of them. If it helps, think of it this way, you are really getting a $6500 panel for only $3400.

You won't regret the purchase. There is no better TV on the market, and frankly, outside of going bigger or waiting for 3D tech to mature, I don't see much room for improvement. The black levels on my 600M are a close to the TV being off as I've ever seen.


Oh man, believe me..I would LOVE a 60' Pioneer. The problem would be convincing the family. 3000 was our hard cut-off point. But I'll go over it and see if I can swing it. Because that picture is drool worthy.
post #53 of 82
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Oh man, believe me..I would LOVE a 60' Pioneer. The problem would be convincing the family. 3000 was our hard cut-off point. But I'll go over it and see if I can swing it. Because that picture is drool worthy.

Actually, I just noticed that you mentioned AVinDemand. I haven't personally bought from them, but I've seen a few posts from guys here that have. The feedback on them seems good. They aren't authorized, but Square Trade warranties will cover you for around $250, even if you didn't get your TV from an authorized dealer.

Good luck!
post #54 of 82
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Actually, I just noticed that you mentioned AVinDemand. I haven't personally bought from them, but I've seen a few posts from guys here that have. The feedback on them seems good. They aren't authorized, but Square Trade warranties will cover you for around $250, even if you didn't get your TV from an authorized dealer.

Good luck!

Thanks for that bit about AVinDemand, family and I had sorta ruled them out because we were thinking that might be a phony site. But they do seem to get good reviews from real people. That and buying the TV, a warranty and a stand would put us above our cut-off target.

But their price is so low that it's easier to argue for.

Our plan is, if we can't get a 60' Pioneer this year for the living room then we will wait until next year and see what the sets are like with 3D being the big craze.

Thanks for wishing us luck!

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Originally Posted by dlplover View Post

The slides are good, also anything with big stretches of sky etc..., or preferably a combination. I didn't actually think to look for any pixel problems on mine and was lucky. All I really checked was that it received a signal properly, turned on, and didn't have any cracks, large or small, anywhere on the screen.

So we can refuse delivery for even a few dead pixels if we wanted?

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Originally Posted by Mac13 View Post

Ya that is what I am wondering. I just ordered a 500M and am looking for everything I need to check when it arrives. I am really concerned about dead pixels. I didn't know if the delivery guy will wait for me to hook it up and run through a few test patterns to see if I see any dead pixels (what is the best way to do this anyways?). And if I do find some dead pixels, will they let me return it for a different one? I didn't think you could return a TV for just a couple dead pixels. I could deny delivery if I see dead pixels but some companies will charge you shipping both ways if you deny delivery and there is nothing wrong with the TV (which a few dead pixels may fall in that category).

What I'm planning on, is having a dvd player with the break-in slides already up and running when they deliver it and then just take off the top of the box, plug in the Pio and hook up the dvd for inspection.

I figure that would be the quickest way without taking up too much of their time.
post #55 of 82
Remember to inspect it for cracks first. 4 corners first, but check for any cracks on the rest of the display, be they big or microscopic. I used an LED flashlight on mine.

Re: refusing for dead pixels, I have no idea. Mine didn't have any, but I didn't give it a thorough pixel check until later.
post #56 of 82
After reading all these posts on inspecting delivery of the 500m.which is all fair and good,i'm so glad that i'll be getting mine here locally.It's so much easier without any headaches.I realize the chances of damage may be slim but a peace of mind goes along ways.Unfortunately buying local i have to pay tax.
post #57 of 82
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Remember to inspect it for cracks first. 4 corners first, but check for any cracks on the rest of the display, be they big or microscopic. I used an LED flashlight on mine.

Re: refusing for dead pixels, I have no idea. Mine didn't have any, but I didn't give it a thorough pixel check until later.

Hm, yeah. Flashlight sounds like a good idea. Thanks for the tip.
I guess I've been so focused on making sure there's not any dead pixels/buzzing that I hadn't thought about using anything checking for cracks.

I've been worried about the 'what-ifs' of accepting the TV and then spotting dead pixels an hour after the delivery guy leaves. heh.

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After reading all these posts on inspecting delivery of the 500m.which is all fair and good,i'm so glad that i'll be getting mine here locally.It's so much easier without any headaches.I realize the chances of damage may be slim but a peace of mind goes along ways.Unfortunately buying local i have to pay tax.

Man, believe me if I had a choice to buy locally I would. But the only local stores I've found that sell Pioneer TVs only sell 141s and 151s for 5-7k

What store are you getting yours from?
post #58 of 82
There is a dealer here in miami which i have purchased items before.They dont have a show room but they are high end and do alot of installs.They are giving me a deal on the 500m,More or less same price as VE.Authorized dealer to boot.The only bad thing per se is that i would have to get the extended warranty from an outside source.It only comes with the mfg warranty.
post #59 of 82
That's actually preferable. Get a squaretrade warranty, which should serve you much much better than those crappy mac warranties. Squaretrade are really good about fairly processing claims, repairing products or giving your money back if something breaks in course of normal operation and is irreparable. Mac warranties and all those others get somewhat more mixed reviews. First thing you should always do is fax squaretrade your receipt once you've received the TV ok and bought the warranty. That way, it doesn't matter if you accidently lose the receipt (though ideally you would put it in a safe place).
post #60 of 82
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Originally Posted by dlplover View Post

That's actually preferable. Get a squaretrade warranty, which should serve you much much better than those crappy mac warranties. Squaretrade are really good about fairly processing claims, repairing products or giving your money back if something breaks in course of normal operation and is irreparable. Mac warranties and all those others get somewhat more mixed reviews. First thing you should always do is fax squaretrade your receipt once you've received the TV ok and bought the warranty. That way, it doesn't matter if you accidently lose the receipt (though ideally you would put it in a safe place).

I'll look into it thanks.Is the warranty in-home?
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