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post #721 of 952
2/22/11 at 8:30am
Wow! That seems like alot to go through. I like just hitting browse on my media players and selecting the share I want to create a shortcut too. Which I guess is how it works with the samba shares. But why wouldn't that be the same way for NFS shares when accessing from a media player?

I do remember when i got my Dunes in 2009, It used a convoluted way to access my network shares. Which was one of the things I didn't like about it. It was so different than just browsing and selecting my network shares with my C200.
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post #722 of 952
2/22/11 at 9:03am
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Wow! That seems like alot to go through. I like just hitting browse on my media players and selecting the share I want to create a shortcut too. Which I guess is how it works with the samba shares. But why wouldn't that be the same way for NFS shares when accessing from a media player?

I do remember when i got my Dunes in 2009, It used a convoluted way to access my network shares. Which was one of the things I didn't like about it. It was so different than just browsing and selecting my network shares with my C200.
It should actually be the same for NFS as well. It just appears that from one player to the next implementation of NFS is either non existent or inconsistent.
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post #723 of 952
2/22/11 at 9:24am
I eventually imagine going to Vail in the not too distant future and the removal of drive extender has me parinoid about how I am going to get all the data from drive extender into an Unraid storage configuration, specifically staging the data. In the next couple of months I will have filled up my HP 495 with 7.5TB of data. I would like to purchase and setup a solution when this occurs that will allow switching to Vail to pretty seamless BEFORE MY STORAGE BECOMES HUGE.

Correct me if I am wrong, but the best/easiest way would be to move the files directly from your drive extender storage to a seperate storage (in this case unraid). Then reformat all the data on drive extender with a Vail configuration.

Has anyone put together a process for migrating their extender storage to an unraid storage solution?
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post #724 of 952
2/22/11 at 9:28am
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I eventually imagine going to Vail in the not too distant future and the removal of drive extender has me parinoid about how I am going to get all the data from drive extender into an Unraid storage configuration, specifically staging the data. In the next couple of months I will have filled up my HP 495 with 7.5TB of data. I would like to purchase and setup a solution when this occurs that will allow switching to Vail to pretty seamless BEFORE MY STORAGE BECOMES HUGE.

Correct me if I am wrong, but the best/easiest way would be to move the files directly from your drive extender storage to a seperate storage (in this case unraid). Then reformat all the data on drive extender with a Vail configuration.

Has anyone put together a process for migrating their extender storage to an unraid storage solution?
Well, if you migrate you have to ask yourself the question if it even makes sense to continue using the WHS as the front end for the storage. Unraid as well as most NAS will have very robust SMB capabilities built in, can do shares, etc.

So what you really might be looking at is using the WHS for some purposes (applications, PC backups, etc) and using a separate storage solution for your bulk storage requirements.

I migrated to Synology (not unraid) and here's what I did;

1. Turned off duplication on all folders.
2. Removed as many disks as possible from the WHS.
3. Installed those drives in as a new volume on the Synology.
4. Copy all shares over to the Synology (took about 2 days).
5. Once I was 100% certain my data was on the Synology and intact, I then proceeded to remove my biggest shares so that I could remove additional drives from the WHS.

In the end my WHS just has the original 1.5TB drive and a 2nd 1.5TB so that I can have folder duplication working for the few shares I left on it as well as duplication of my Time Machine backups (I still use the HP for Time Machine for a few reasons over the Synology which also supports it).
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post #725 of 952
2/22/11 at 9:38am
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I eventually imagine going to Vail in the not too distant future and the removal of drive extender has me parinoid about how I am going to get all the data from drive extender into an Unraid storage configuration, specifically staging the data. In the next couple of months I will have filled up my HP 495 with 7.5TB of data. I would like to purchase and setup a solution when this occurs that will allow switching to Vail to pretty seamless BEFORE MY STORAGE BECOMES HUGE.

Correct me if I am wrong, but the best/easiest way would be to move the files directly from your drive extender storage to a seperate storage (in this case unraid). Then reformat all the data on drive extender with a Vail configuration.

Has anyone put together a process for migrating their extender storage to an unraid storage solution?
Don't forget as well that you cannot upgrade from WHS v1 to Vail, it will have to be a clean build. That sucks for someone like myself who has 13TB data (25TB with duplication). As of now if/when I ever upgrade to Vail (all is based on whether these announced DE add ins are the real deal) I have planned for having to build another server and manually copying files over
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post #726 of 952
2/22/11 at 9:52am
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post
Wow! That seems like alot to go through. I like just hitting browse on my media players and selecting the share I want to create a shortcut too. Which I guess is how it works with the samba shares. But why wouldn't that be the same way for NFS shares when accessing from a media player?

I do remember when i got my Dunes in 2009, It used a convoluted way to access my network shares. Which was one of the things I didn't like about it. It was so different than just browsing and selecting my network shares with my C200.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...postcount=4372

And that is with SMB.
Which is why I would like to try NFS with the Neo.
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post #727 of 952
2/22/11 at 9:59am
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http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...postcount=4372

And that is with SMB.
Which is why I would like to try NFS with the Neo.
NFS is very flakey honestly. Every vendor implementation is completely different. I have a friend who is a storage guru (works on massive storage systems for enterprise) and he refers to NFS as "Not ready For primetime Storage". If you are lucky enough to get an NFS implementation that works perfectly with your NFS clients then all is good as it has less overhead and faster speeds than SMB, but SMB for most devices is fast enough to deliver Blu-ray content.
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post #728 of 952
2/22/11 at 10:31am
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NFS is very flakey honestly. Every vendor implementation is completely different. I have a friend who is a storage guru (works on massive storage systems for enterprise) and he refers to NFS as "Not ready For primetime Storage". If you are lucky enough to get an NFS implementation that works perfectly with your NFS clients then all is good as it has less overhead and faster speeds than SMB, but SMB for most devices is fast enough to deliver Blu-ray content.
Thanks, as a retired EE I am mostly driven by curiosity. The high rate rips stream perfectly in BDMV format on the Neo but lose it on .iso.
I have .iso formats for testing only, every .iso is also available as a BDMV or .mkv, no problem with those.

Just trying to get the Netgear folks to face reality.
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post #729 of 952
2/22/11 at 10:39am
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Don't forget as well that you cannot upgrade from WHS v1 to Vail, it will have to be a clean build. That sucks for someone like myself who has 13TB data (25TB with duplication). As of now if/when I ever upgrade to Vail (all is based on whether these announced DE add ins are the real deal) I have planned for having to build another server and manually copying files over

That is my fear as well. I end up building a mansion then find out the land it was built on is radioactive. How radioactive is the question will warrant how, when and if I move.

I figured it would be a good time to start thinking about it now rather than later... while I only have a 1 bedroom house.

Sorry for the analogy, but I am also looking at houses and it just came to mind.
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post #730 of 952
2/22/11 at 10:44am
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Well, if you migrate you have to ask yourself the question if it even makes sense to continue using the WHS as the front end for the storage. Unraid as well as most NAS will have very robust SMB capabilities built in, can do shares, etc.

So what you really might be looking at is using the WHS for some purposes (applications, PC backups, etc) and using a separate storage solution for your bulk storage requirements.

I migrated to Synology (not unraid) and here's what I did;

1. Turned off duplication on all folders.
2. Removed as many disks as possible from the WHS.
3. Installed those drives in as a new volume on the Synology.
4. Copy all shares over to the Synology (took about 2 days).
5. Once I was 100% certain my data was on the Synology and intact, I then proceeded to remove my biggest shares so that I could remove additional drives from the WHS.

In the end my WHS just has the original 1.5TB drive and a 2nd 1.5TB so that I can have folder duplication working for the few shares I left on it as well as duplication of my Time Machine backups (I still use the HP for Time Machine for a few reasons over the Synology which also supports it).

How do you which disk the files/folders reside on?
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post #731 of 952
2/22/11 at 10:45am
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That is my fear as well. I end up building a mansion then find out the land it was built on is radioactive. How radioactive is the question will warrant how, when and if I move.

I figured it would be a good time to start thinking about it now rather than later... while I only have a 1 bedroom house.

Sorry for the analogy, but I am also looking at houses and it just came to mind.

Ahh, a little radiation never hurt anyone
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post #732 of 952
2/22/11 at 1:15pm
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Ahh, a little radiation never hurt anyone

Could I interest you in a little fixer upper at Chernobyl? I make you super duper deal big guy...you like...yes?

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post #733 of 952
2/22/11 at 1:23pm
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How do you which disk the files/folders reside on?

The storage is pooled, so you don't have to worry about which disks folders/files are on.

When you tell WHS you are going to remove a disk, it will see if there is enough space on other disks to move the files there and then allow you to remove it, automatically copying things around.

Obviously if you are nearly at capacity and/or have duplication turned on you might have to do things like turn duplication off, or buy additional hard drives when you build the volume on the new system.

Since WHS just stores files/folders on all of the disks in regular NTFS format you can also just shut the WHS down, and manually copy all of the contents over to a new system, but again, this might require you to purchase extra hard drives for the new system in order to get started.
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post #734 of 952
2/22/11 at 2:35pm
That can also be a pain if you have a bunch of drives. I did it back when I had used my EX470 and had to go through eight drives checking each one since the contents of teh storage pool were spread out among them. For instance, afolder with 8 files might have those files on different drives. So I wouldn't be able to copy over all the data until I went through all the drives. It worked for me but it took some time.

And with all the data I have in my storage pool now, I don't think I'll be going to Vail anytime soon. I still want to get my unRAID system set up, but I probably won't get around too it for another week or two.
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post #735 of 952
2/23/11 at 5:43am
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NFS is very flakey honestly. Every vendor implementation is completely different. I have a friend who is a storage guru (works on massive storage systems for enterprise) and he refers to NFS as
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"Not ready For primetime Storage".

If you are lucky enough to get an NFS implementation that works perfectly with your NFS clients then all is good as it has less overhead and faster speeds than SMB, but SMB for most devices is fast enough to deliver Blu-ray content.

You can say that again.
Even after setting up the "NFS Client" in win 7 Ultimate the shares on the EX490 are accessible but the folders come up as "empty"

mount -u root \\\\HPSTORAGE\\Movies * will map Movies to a drive on the Win 7 machine but then reports "this folder is empty"

Haven't figured this out yet.

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Have now, forgot to set permissions on the Security tab. Can now stream all available data from the EX490 e.g. videos, movies, Music, Photos to win 7 Ult on the desktop.

Also able to use NFS with the Dune H1, but not as yet with the NeoTV550
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post #736 of 952
2/24/11 at 10:57am
Any issue with laying the hp media server on it's side? It have all drive bays full if that makes any difference.
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post #737 of 952
2/24/11 at 12:59pm
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Any issue with laying the hp media server on it's side? It have all drive bays full if that makes any difference.
Are you going to lay it in its side gently or are you going to kick it down??? J/K, I would think the only potential issue could be air flow. I dont have an MSS anymore so I cannot verify, but I would just look closely at your MSS to see how the air flow currently moves
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post #738 of 952
2/25/11 at 4:05am
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Are you going to lay it in its side gently or are you going to kick it down??? J/K, I would think the only potential issue could be air flow. I dont have an MSS anymore so I cannot verify, but I would just look closely at your MSS to see how the air flow currently moves

Thanks. For future reference on my 495, there are no vents on the side.
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post #739 of 952
2/25/11 at 5:51am
Could laying it on it's side have a detrimental effect with the CPU?
The CPU only has a heatsink on it. And it is cooled from the air passing through the MSS from the front to the back. With it on the side wouldn't the heat rise from the heatsink unevenly since it would rise from one side of the heat sink to the other instead of rising from the entire heatsink at the sale time?
No idea just curious. In all my home PC builds, I've always had a fan attached to the heatsink for cooling so air flow was never an issue.
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post #740 of 952
3/7/11 at 11:28am
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I'm getting one of these errors every minute of every day. Anyone know what this means or how I might fix it?
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post #741 of 952
3/7/11 at 1:34pm
I am running low on space with my 495 and would like to expand to allow for backup, should my drives fail. I was on newegg and saw this deal:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16816322001

I would go with 2TB x 4 drive bays.

A couple of questions.

1. If I plug this in to ESATA, how do I tell 495 to only duplicate to this device? Or is this not possible?

2. If I configure for Raid 5 and plug in to ESATA how will that work with WHS? Will it just see it has Raid 5 drive space?

3. Because of cost, I figured it was worth getting this with Raid option, but if this has potential to cause problems, ie data corruption, configuration issues, I may not. Should I have any concerns?

Thanks,
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post #742 of 952
3/7/11 at 1:36pm
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I am running low on space with my 495 and would like to expand to allow for backup, should my drives fail. I was on newegg and saw this deal:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16816322001

I would go with 2TB x 4 drive bays.

A couple of questions.

1. If I plug this in to ESATA, how do I tell 495 to only duplicate to this device? Or is this not possible?

2. If I configure for Raid 5 and plug in to ESATA how will that work with WHS? Will it just see it has Raid 5 drive space?

3. Because of cost, I figured it was worth getting this with Raid option, but if this has potential to cause problems, ie data corruption, configuration issues, I may not. Should I have any concerns?

Thanks,

Well, when you connect a device via ESATA assuming it is JBOD that is how the EX495 will see it. So when you install a drive in one of the bays it will appear in the WHS console just as if you added it to your EX495. You will have the option to add the drive to the pool or keep it separate
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post #743 of 952
3/7/11 at 1:37pm
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I am running low on space with my 495 and would like to expand to allow for backup, should my drives fail. I was on newegg and saw this deal:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16816322001

I would go with 2TB x 4 drive bays.

A couple of questions.

1. If I plug this in to ESATA, how do I tell 495 to only duplicate to this device? Or is this not possible?

2. If I configure for Raid 5 and plug in to ESATA how will that work with WHS? Will it just see it has Raid 5 drive space?

3. Because of cost, I figured it was worth getting this with Raid option, but if this has potential to cause problems, ie data corruption, configuration issues, I may not. Should I have any concerns?

Thanks,

Also, I would recommend this instead, the TR5M which will give you 5 bays (the most the EX495 can see on the ESATA connection)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-139-_-Product
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post #744 of 952
3/7/11 at 2:34pm
You also don't need the RAID version of the Mediasonic. You can get the $99 version which has eSATA and USB 2.0(or the eSATA and USB 3.0 version for around $130). The WHS will see the separate drives and you can add them to the storage pool or keep some separate from the pool. Price wise the Mediasonic is a better deal and the enclosure is much, smaller than the Sans digital(I have one of the 5 bay sans Digital enlcosures and dropped it from my WHS since it was so big. Although i do plan on using it with my unRAId box)

I have one Mediasonic HF2-SU2S2 attached to my eSATA port and it gets great speeds. I also have six attached to USB.

The Mediasonics will also power up and down with the HP MSS.
the only disadvantage is that they don't make a five bay version.

Either way the RAID version mediasonic or the five bay enclosure from Sans Digital is double the price of the Mediasonic HF2-SU2S2. For the same $200 you could get two of those Mediasonics HF2-SU2S2 and attach one to the eSATA port and one to a USB port.
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post #745 of 952
3/7/11 at 4:01pm
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You also don't need the RAID version of the Mediasonic. You can get the $99 version which has eSATA and USB 2.0(or the eSATA and USB 3.0 version for around $130). The WHS will see the separate drives and you can add them to the storage pool or keep some separate from the pool. Price wise the Mediasonic is a better deal and the enclosure is much, smaller than the Sans digital(I have one of the 5 bay sans Digital enlcosures and dropped it from my WHS since it was so big. Although i do plan on using it with my unRAId box)

I have one Mediasonic HF2-SU2S2 attached to my eSATA port and it gets great speeds. I also have six attached to USB.

The Mediasonics will also power up and down with the HP MSS.
the only disadvantage is that they don't make a five bay version.

Either way the RAID version mediasonic or the five bay enclosure from Sans Digital is double the price of the Mediasonic HF2-SU2S2. For the same $200 you could get two of those Mediasonics HF2-SU2S2 and attach one to the eSATA port and one to a USB port.

So I can keep the drives on the enclosure outside of the extenders pool. That is good to know. Is there any way I can run backups from the pool to one of separate disks. Something automated? If not I guess I could terminal service into box and manually copy over the files.
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post #746 of 952
3/7/11 at 4:19pm
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So I can keep the drives on the enclosure outside of the extenders pool. That is good to know. Is there any way I can run backups from the pool to one of separate disks. Something automated? If not I guess I could terminal service into box and manually copy over the files.

There are some sync programs that you could set up and run (I think Robocopy, SyncToy, etc...). Since the drives won't be added to the pool you will just need to make sure that whatever data you are syncing from your pool is obviously less then the drive you are backing up to
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post #747 of 952
3/8/11 at 7:09am
Anyone familiar with these Hitachi drives? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc..._-22145475-L0C

They are on sale for $79.99 after discount code and then there is a $10 mail in rebate which comes in the form of a prepaid Visa card. $69.99 not too bad for a 2TB drive. I have been happy with the Seagate drives I bought lately but I'm not familiar with these.
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post #748 of 952
3/8/11 at 7:18am
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Anyone familiar with these Hitachi drives? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc..._-22145475-L0C

They are on sale for $79.99 after discount code and then there is a $10 mail in rebate which comes in the form of a prepaid Visa card. $69.99 not too bad for a 2TB drive. I have been happy with the Seagate drives I bought lately but I'm not familiar with these.
You may want to read around, those are Advanced Format drives. I assume something like this article should work to properly align for your MSS (I don't know if Hitachi has their own tool to do this):

http://www.mediasmartserver.net/2011...-format-drive/
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post #749 of 952
3/8/11 at 7:22am
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You may want to read around, those are Advanced Format drives. I assume something like this article should work to properly align for your MSS (I don't know if Hitachi has their own tool to do this):

http://www.mediasmartserver.net/2011...-format-drive/
Ah, that's all I need to know. I have read the grumblings about advanced format so I will stay away from those. Thanks for the tip.
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post #750 of 952
3/8/11 at 11:06am
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Anyone familiar with these Hitachi drives? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc..._-22145475-L0C

They are on sale for $79.99 after discount code and then there is a $10 mail in rebate which comes in the form of a prepaid Visa card. $69.99 not too bad for a 2TB drive. I have been happy with the Seagate drives I bought lately but I'm not familiar with these.

I have three of those in my HP 495 and they have worked great. I have had the server up for about 4 weeks now, without issue.
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