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post #181 of 2239
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Originally Posted by gadget-zilla View Post

In further understanding, the Reference to TitanTV was only made as a "lookup" tool to see what is available for recording, then to manually set the schedule via TVIX's EPG.

That is correct, TitanTV was only mentioned because of the amount of information that it makes available.

If you are into OTA recordings you may want to enhance your options with a ATSC tuner card. My choice is the MIT MDP-120 or MDP-130, unfortunately they have been discontinued. They can still be found at some outlets. Kei Clark (Digital Connection) has the MDP-130 for $89.00 (that is a great price, I paid more than $250.00 for each of my MDP-120s), there is a daughter card available but I do not see it listed at DC. The daughter card has a DVI output that can be used with video devices that has a DVI and/or HDMI input(s). Click here for info. If you are interested there are some threads on these devices in the HTPC section.

On average I record about 7 hours worth of shows weekly, this I do on my office PC. These shows are edited with HDTV2MPEG, saved to a USB 160GB pocket drive (2.5") and played back on the HTPC which is connected to the JVC projector. The MDP has a TitanTV helper app, I just select the program in TitanTV and click the Record button which pops up the app (see below). I may add to the program name to include the episode title or if two shows are back-to-back I will set the record length to 2 hours (I usually start recording 1 minute till the hour and set the duration for 1 hour and 2 minutes for a 1 hour show).

I am looking into getting a M-6620N for the better half so she can record her daytime shows on it. She could also use it to playback shows from the pocket drive or from the other 2TB worth of hard drives we have.

post #182 of 2239
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Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland View Post

On average I record about 7 hours worth of shows weekly, this I do on my office PC. These shows are edited with HDTV2MPEG, saved to a USB 160GB pocket drive (2.5") and played back on the HTPC which is connected to the JVC projector. The MDP has a TitanTV helper app, I just select the program in TitanTV and click the Record button which pops up the app (see below). I may add to the program name to include the episode title or if two shows are back-to-back I will set the record length to 2 hours (I usually start recording 1 minute till the hour and set the duration for 1 hour and 2 minutes for a 1 hour show).

You just took a time warp back to 2005-2006. PC recording functionality has improved dramatically since record solutions like that were released.

If one were adding a PC tuner card now, they would do well to run Windows7, SageTV, or BeyondTV. Every copy of Windows7 Home Premium includes a license to the Tribune guide data -- more accurate than TitanTV -- as well as DVR software comparable in functionality to a TiVo (without the fees). In other aspects of media center functionality, such as PC video and music playback, this software is superior to TiVo.

These solutions provide the name-based recording popularized by TiVo, which largely eliminates the need for traditional timers. They offer "season passes" as well as a more limited implementation of wishlists. You can see a brief video demo of the DVR software in Windows7 here. One feature you'll get with Windows Media Center, but not with any commercial product like TiVo, is automatic commercial skip. This works on recordings, as well as recordings-in-progress viewed as they record. Automatic commercial skip is provided with a third-party add-on; setup instructions here.

There are many that don't want a PC in their living room, or don't want a PC running 24/7 with a remote extender in their living room. Others don't want the hassle of initial setup. That's why standalone products like the TViX exist.
post #183 of 2239
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Originally Posted by bfdtv View Post

There are many that don't want a PC in their living room, or don't want a PC running 24/7 with a remote extender in their living room. Others don't want the hassle of initial setup. That's why standalone products like the TViX exist.

...and I agree with Wendell that a PC based recording can offer greater flexibility in term of scheduling tools such as TitanTV or SageTV, or that fact Windows7 itself. Given that, ultimately, the biggest reason for my consideration of TVIX is exactly what you stated... the thought of running a PC 24/7.

That being said, I do have an HTPC setup in my room, which at present, serves as my media/jukebox machine. I am ripping all my CDs onto it. In addition, I use it to stream various TV shows as it is connected to my 52" LCD screen. In addition, it allows me to use VLC to play various files (AVI, MKV, ISO etc). By adding a TV Tuner to it, I can certainly do my recordings on it but the biggest downfall (in my opinion) of using a PC as a PVR is having the to keep it running all the time.
post #184 of 2239
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Originally Posted by gadget-zilla View Post

By adding a TV Tuner to it, I can certainly do my recordings on it but the biggest downfall (in my opinion) of using a PC as a PVR is having the to keep it running all the time.

With a modern PC, Windows 7 will "sleep" and wakeup for scheduled recordings. This wasn't always reliable under Vista, but it seems to work much better under Windows 7. If you have a relatively new HTPC in your living room, with the appropriate graphics card to view HD, then I see no reason not to go that route for OTA.
post #185 of 2239
Media Center's sleep may not have been reliable in WinV, but Windows ACPI support has been reliable enough since at least Windows 2000 to support HTPC operation of other HT software, including the MyHD that Wendell mentioned as well as several other options. So there's absolutely no need to run an HTPC 24/7 for PVR duties. There are also numerous options for TiVo-like recording scheduling. (I'll put in a plug here for the one that I'm involved with, which supports MyHD, FusionHDTV, and HD Homerun tuners. )

However, in terms of optimal HT experience, there's a lot to be said for a solution such as the 6620, which is easier to setup and operate than a PC, consumes less power than any PC when running, and is quieter than all but the most-carefully built of "silent" PCs. The 6620 can be used by anyone for one-off recordings or simple daily/weekly scheduled recordings and it does a superb job of playing back TV shows (via LAN or Wendell's sneaker-net USB HDD) captured via any of the PC tuner options (except Media Center's stupid DRM-inspired format, which needs translation first).
post #186 of 2239
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Originally Posted by bfdtv View Post

You just took a time warp back to 2005-2006. PC recording functionality has improved dramatically since record solutions like that were released.

Speaking of time warps I procured (at work 1999?) a Hauppauge Computer Works ATSC tuner card when they first hit the market (no recording functions). When the MIT MDP-100 made the scene (2001?) I procured 12 at work and one personally. I used to upgrade my computers when new hardware came along but in the last few years I have not been inclined to do so. So yes, I am using old hardware (based on ASUS P4P800-E Deluxe motherboards) and Windows XP.

It is pretty rare that I miss a scheduled recording because MyIRC fails to wake-up the computer from Standby.

The OTA recording process really is easy compared to recording from satellite. To do that requires one set setup batch files, an example looks like this:

MD E:\\PBS\\Nova\\Building_Pharaoh's_Ship.TP
START TSReader -R 9216 3 E:\\PBS\\Building_Pharaoh's_Ship\\Building_Pharaoh's_Ship.TP 3720 12140 0 30000 10750 1 {1}


Then you have to use Windows Task Scheduler to schedule your recordings. Its not too much trouble to do scheduled satellite recordings after you create all your batch files and fix Shortcuts to them for easy editing
post #187 of 2239
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Originally Posted by bfdtv View Post

With a modern PC, Windows 7 will "sleep" and wakeup for scheduled recordings. This wasn't always reliable under Vista, but it seems to work much better under Windows 7. If you have a relatively new HTPC in your living room, with the appropriate graphics card to view HD, then I see no reason not to go that route for OTA.

Thanks for that tip about Windows 7 sleep mode and 'waking' up for the recording. That may change my direction.

Yes, I have all the right gear installed in my HTPC, including an HDMI output video card. I have another PC with windows 7 in my office, and a happauge digital tuner card which I use to watch TV occasionally. I'm hooked up to my charter communications cable and able to pick up the HD broadcast channels. I can only do all that in the 'media center' mode. Previously, I had never thought of using Win7 as a PVR....I'll have to think this through more carefully and see my options. As stated above, the biggest concern had been to keep that PC running but if windows 7 brings better 'wakeup' capability - then I should look to leverage that.
post #188 of 2239
I lost abilty to time shift with 1.9.34.b4. I can still record shows with no problem as long as I leave the Tivx box on but if I try and pause or rewind I get "No Space" message???

What gives?
post #189 of 2239
DK--

Try running the check disk utility in Setup.
post #190 of 2239
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Originally Posted by TPeterson View Post

DK--

Try running the check disk utility in Setup.

That is the first thing I ran... is it supposed to show some kind of results at the end of the check?
post #191 of 2239
There's no summary report, but there is an "OK" notice that it completed successfully.

From your symptoms, it sounds as though the HDD is not happy so if the internal HDD check doesn't fix it, I'd then try connecting the box to a PC as an external USB drive and running Windows' Chkdsk on it too.
post #192 of 2239
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Originally Posted by DigitalKnight View Post

I lost abilty to time shift with 1.9.34.b4. I can still record shows with no problem as long as I leave the Tivx box on but if I try and pause or rewind I get "No Space" message???

What gives?

Is the hard drive full from previous recordings?
post #193 of 2239
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Originally Posted by TPeterson View Post

There's no summary report, but there is an "OK" notice that it completed successfully.

From your symptoms, it sounds as though the HDD is not happy so if the internal HDD check doesn't fix it, I'd then try connecting the box to a PC as an external USB drive and running Windows' Chkdsk on it too.

I will give that a shot. I take it NTSF is the best format for the drive? That is what mine is currently formatted at.
post #194 of 2239
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Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland View Post

Is the hard drive full from previous recordings?

Not at all. It is a 500GB drive (brand new) with only one show on it.

I can start manual recording with no problem and it will start recording it and I can go back and watch them with out any problem what so ever. It is only giving me problems when I try and time shift.
post #195 of 2239
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Originally Posted by DigitalKnight View Post

It is only giving me problems when I try and time shift.

Did you try setting the Timeshift buffer to a smaller size (shorter max time)?
post #196 of 2239
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by DigitalKnight View Post

I lost abilty to time shift with 1.9.34.b4. I can still record shows with no problem as long as I leave the Tivx box on but if I try and pause or rewind I get "No Space" message???

What gives?

You should change to Beta 1.9.4B4 that Terry linked. From 1.9.3B4 you can use the automatic beta update, the instructions are at the link.

(I see I probably mistook which version you are using).
post #197 of 2239
The version he says he's using doesn't exist.
post #198 of 2239
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Originally Posted by TPeterson View Post

Did you try setting the Timeshift buffer to a smaller size (shorter max time)?

30 min is the smallest that I see which is what I tried. but no go.
post #199 of 2239
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Originally Posted by Kei Clark View Post

You should change to Beta 1.9.4B4 that Terry linked. From 1.9.3B4 you can use the automatic beta update, the instructions are at the link.

(I see I probably mistook which version you are using).

Ahh.. I see I am not up to date and missed that 1.9.4 version. I was indeed running 1.9.3

Downloading the 1.9.4 now and will report back.....
post #200 of 2239
DK--

If you should still have the problem with the new fw, try setting the Timeshift buffer to other sizes. (I don't know what's going on, but the error message that you mention indicates a problem with HDD free space and it's possible that changing the buffer size--not necessarily decreasing it--will correct a bogus value and get you unstuck)
post #201 of 2239
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Originally Posted by TPeterson View Post

DK--

If you should still have the problem with the new fw, try setting the Timeshift buffer to other sizes. (I don't know what's going on, but the error message that you mention indicates a problem with HDD free space and it's possible that changing the buffer size--not necessarily decreasing it--will correct a bogus value and get you unstuck)

I do not see a Timeshift buffer size. If you mean TimesShift Duration, I have tried all of them and it still does not let me pause live TV. I can record, and now since I have upgraded I can record two channels at once (before it would only let me record one station) and I can play them back fine. But it will not let me pause or rewind live Tv... like it just will not buffer anything.

It is also rebooting on me alot again since I updated to 1.9.4. when I go from being in the setup menu and then try to go back to HDTV it will just power off and I then have to turn it back on with either the power button or HDTV button.

Also the only way I can get it to record once it reboots is to delete one of my test recordings and then it will let me record again.

Perhaps I should format the drive again???

It says Disk check completed "OK" (that you click on) when I run the "Check Internal Drive"
post #202 of 2239
Yes, Timeshift Duration == Timeshift buffer size.

It does sound as though the HDD formatting is messed up. I suggest that you examine it by connecting to a PC and trying Chkdsk. Otherwise, you could reformat and see if that fixes the problem.
post #203 of 2239
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Originally Posted by TPeterson View Post

Yes, Timeshift Duration == Timeshift buffer size.

It does sound as though the HDD formatting is messed up. I suggest that you examine it by connecting to a PC and trying Chkdsk. Otherwise, you could reformat and see if that fixes the problem.

Pulled the drive and connected to PC. Formatting as we speak. Just NTSF should work fine right?

I did look at it before I formatted and it did have some strange things on it. Like I did find a file called timeshiftbuffer??? It had a date on it from last month so it was not accessing it that is for sure.
post #204 of 2239
You didn't have to "pull" the drive. You can simply connect the TViX to your PC via USB!

After you finish formatting on the PC, delete all the partitions before you put it back into the TViX and then let the TViX format it again (which won't take so long as the PC's formatting, since I gather from your post that you didn't choose Quick Format there) and install the default folders.

There is no format called "NTSF" AFAIK. Perhaps you mean "NTFS"? That is the preferred format (although I understand that EXT also works well on these Linux boxes).
post #205 of 2239
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Originally Posted by TPeterson View Post

You didn't have to "pull" the drive. You can simply connect the TViX to your PC via USB!

After you finish formatting on the PC, delete all the partitions before you put it back into the TViX and then let the TViX format it again (which won't take so long as the PC's formatting, since I gather from your post that you didn't choose Quick Format there) and install the default folders.

There is no format called "NTSF" AFAIK. Perhaps you mean "NTFS"? That is the preferred format (although I understand that EXT also works well on these Linux boxes).

NTFS... yes.. was typing to fast... ;-)

I did what you said... I deleted all partitions and put it back into the TVIX to let it format it. It put a 200MB partition on it that is protected but left the rest of the drive unpartitioned??? (I pulled it back out to look at it to see what the TVIX did to it. Anyway it still lets me record to the drive but will not let me time shift?
post #206 of 2239
What do you mean "protected"? The TViX should have formatted the entire drive. Something must be wrong with that drive.
post #207 of 2239
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Originally Posted by TPeterson View Post

What do you mean "protected"? The TViX should have formatted the entire drive. Something must be wrong with that drive.

Well T, you were right. I was using a 500GB drive that I had used connected to my iMac for a short while. I just tried a 2TB drive and it came up and actually asked if I wanted to format it when I when into the TViX menu for recorded shows and then it formatted the entire drive and then I could pause live TV.

Good call.
post #208 of 2239
Thanks for the update.
post #209 of 2239
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Originally Posted by Kei Clark View Post

For those not familiar with the media player portion of the M6620N and cover art, it's created with a third party program that can retrieve movie and music information for stored video that makes it easy to use for significant others. Photos below:

DVD menu


Movie info


Albums menu


Above were created with TVixiE

Now how do I get my 6620 to do cover art like that??? VERY COOL!
post #210 of 2239
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Originally Posted by TPeterson View Post

What do you mean "protected"? The TViX should have formatted the entire drive. Something must be wrong with that drive.

Just wanted to give another update on what I found out about that protected partition on the 500GB drive I was having troubles with.

I did some google'ing and found : http://blog.paulgu.com/2008/01/06/ho...ive-partition/

So once I followed the instructions to get that GPT partition out of there and then put the drive back into the TViX I had zero issues with time shifting, after off course the TViX did a proper formatting of the drive.

I am not sure how that GPT protected partition got on the drive but I would imagine that it had something to do with when I was using it connected to my iMac and possibly Time Machine backup.
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