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post #2101 of 2239
I was told by a owner, this has a 24 hour limitation with Guide listings. Not a station limitation, but a device limitation. Anyone else confirm or deny this?
post #2102 of 2239
I have never seen more than ~24 hours of listings, but I have no way to tell if the station or the TViX is the limiting factor, since I don't own any other tuners that are confirmed to be capable of displaying full guide data. I believe other TViX owners, such as TPeterson, have confirmed with their 3310 units that the 24-hour listing bug is present in the 6620's firmware, while it isn't present in the firmwares of previous TViX models.
post #2103 of 2239
I can confirm that the two recordings that I scheduled on Monday at 8:30pm for last night (Tuesday) at 9pm and 11pm from the program guide recorded just fine. That is a little more than 24 hours in advance.
post #2104 of 2239
Thanks, but we already know you can schedule recordings well over 24 hours in advance. What's less clear is, how many hours of program listings will the 6620 display? That question is harder to answer because many stations only broadcast 12-24 hours of listings and of course the 6620 can't display more than the stations broadcast. So you have to find a station that broadcasts more than 24 hours, then see where the 6620 cuts off the listings.

Earlier you posted that Mon. at 8 PM you saw listings for WGBX through Wed. at 1 AM. That would be about 30 hours of listings. Has anyone seen more?
post #2105 of 2239
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What's less clear is, how many hours of program listings will the 6620 display? That question is harder to answer because many stations only broadcast 12-24 hours of listings and of course the 6620 can't display more than the stations broadcast.
That is the point I was trying to make. As example (thought not the best due to it's price class) the iView can only show 11 entries no matter how many the ststion provides.
Note, this is entries, not hours.
post #2106 of 2239
That's a possibility I didn't consider. Perhaps the 6620 has a limit on the number of listings it can show, not a specific limit on the time interval they cover. If so, a movies-oriented network like This might show several days' worth, while a network with many 30-minute shows like RTV or Me-TV might show less than one day's worth.

All assuming the station broadcasts enough listings to reach whatever limits exist, of course.
post #2107 of 2239
I am seeing at least 30 hours of program listings on at least one channel. On 5/21 at 10pm I was seeing listings up until 5/23 at 4am on one of my broadcast channels. So it appear that the listing limit is not 24 hours. Not sure what the value is or whether it's based on hours, number or listings or limitations of the PSIP listing data that the local broadcast stations are providing.
post #2108 of 2239
That's the second report of 30 hours. That's an unusual length of time to broadcast listings for (usually it's either 12 or a multiple of 24), so at this point I'm guessing 30 hours is the 6620's limit.

Wonder if anyone has both a 6620 and another receiver known to display more listings? Here are a couple I know of:
  • Apex DT250 converter box (up to 3 days' listings)
  • DTVPal converter box or DVR, or the identical CM-7000Pal DVR (up to 7 days' listings)

If someone has both a 6620 and one of the above, they could compare listings and see for certain if/where the listings on the 6620 cut off.
post #2109 of 2239
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Originally Posted by JHBrandt View Post

That's the second report of 30 hours. That's an unusual length of time to broadcast listings for (usually it's either 12 or a multiple of 24), so at this point I'm guessing 30 hours is the 6620's limit.

Wonder if anyone has both a 6620 and another receiver known to display more listings? Here are a couple I know of:
  • Apex DT250 converter box (up to 3 days' listings)
  • DTVPal converter box or DVR, or the identical CM-7000Pal DVR (up to 7 days' listings)

If someone has both a 6620 and one of the above, they could compare listings and see for certain if/where the listings on the 6620 cut off.

Pardon the interruption. I think the 7 days on the DTVPal and CM7000 was due to TVGOS. Rovi's guide (for me) had an arbitrary cutoff off of 3am, similar to the cutoff of 7pm for my TiVo. Since the DTVPAl DVR and CM7000Pal DVR can use PSIP I think, the query is still valid. I get no PSIP data, so testing my TViX would not be valid.

post #2110 of 2239
If the station broadcasts it, the DTVPal / CM-7000Pal will still show 7 days. Of course without TVGoS few stations come anywhere close to that, but in DFW our NBC affiliate does provide 5+ days, so I know it'll display at least that much smile.gif

Of course all of the above boxes were OTA-only. Even if you have one you'd need to hook up an antenna to see what the station provides, then hook the 6620 to the antenna to see the cutoff point.
post #2111 of 2239
I have 6620 and was wondering about the program guide and how much it will display. I would get about 24 hours of guide so I went to work and set our PSIP to send 7 days of program guide. The 6620 still displayed about 24 hours. I don't know if it's a hour thing or number of entries but I use the DVR like an old VCR and just record time and date and move on.
post #2112 of 2239
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Originally Posted by HDGal View Post

I have 6620 and was wondering about the program guide and how much it will display. I would get about 24 hours of guide so I went to work and set our PSIP to send 7 days of program guide. The 6620 still displayed about 24 hours. I don't know if it's a hour thing or number of entries but I use the DVR like an old VCR and just record time and date and move on.

Go all the way back to post 2101 and see if your query is answered.

post #2113 of 2239
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

Go all the way back to post 2101 and see if your query is answered.

I don't think she was asking her question here. It sounds like she's employed at some TV station, so she decided to answer the question herself by increasing the amount of guide data her station provides. The result of her test confirms what others have reported: the 6620 only shows 24 hours of guide data, even if the station sends more.
post #2114 of 2239

I agree. Not much has changed since:

 

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1195962/official-dvico-tvix-m6620n-hd-atsc-qam-tuner-topic/950_50#post_21023366

 

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Originally Posted by Aleron Ives View Post


I don't think she was asking her question here. It sounds like she's employed at some TV station, so she decided to answer the question herself by increasing the amount of guide data her station provides. The result of her test confirms what others have reported: the 6620 only shows 24 hours of guide data, even if the station sends more.

I wish I could have been more specific but my cable headend strips the PSIP.

post #2115 of 2239
I have one question to ask about this tuner before i buy the newer upgraded version of it...

Say I want to record the show "family guy", can i select family guy or type in family guy and have it record that show regardless of which channel it is shown on? or would i have to manually go to every family guy show and hit record to make it record?
post #2116 of 2239
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Originally Posted by blackjackel View Post

I have one question to ask about this tuner before i buy the newer upgraded version of it...

Say I want to record the show "family guy", can i select family guy or type in family guy and have it record that show regardless of which channel it is shown on? or would i have to manually go to every family guy show and hit record to make it record?

http://www.digitalconnection.com/downloads/TViX_PVR_M6620_English.pdf

 

In case you're ignored.

post #2117 of 2239
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Originally Posted by blackjackel View Post

I have one question to ask about this tuner before i buy the newer upgraded version of it...

Say I want to record the show "family guy", can i select family guy or type in family guy and have it record that show regardless of which channel it is shown on? or would i have to manually go to every family guy show and hit record to make it record?
You either select a show from the PSIP-provided EPG or by entering a VCR-style time, channel, and duration. In either case you can elect to repeat that schedule, but there's no TiVo-like ability fo monitor for programs based on their names.

What is "the newer upgraded version" of which you wrote?
post #2118 of 2239
He probably means the "plus" version.
post #2119 of 2239
The TVIX 6620N is a piece of crap. Don't buy. I have problems & resets EVERYDAY no matter what firmware I load.
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post #2120 of 2239
Remove ION/qubo/ION Life from your channel list, and the resetting problems will likely go away. It's quite stable without the ION bug. wink.gif
post #2121 of 2239
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Originally Posted by Aleron Ives View Post

Remove ION/qubo/ION Life from your channel list, and the resetting problems will likely go away. It's quite stable without the ION bug. wink.gif
What type of problem does the ION bug create? Some of my tuners scan this channel overnight, but it never comes in. I always remove it from the channel list. Does it affect a TiVo or other TV tuners?
post #2122 of 2239
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Originally Posted by tylerSC View Post


What type of problem does the ION bug create? Some of my tuners scan this channel overnight, but it never comes in. I always remove it from the channel list. Does it affect a TiVo or other TV tuners?

The problem is in the post. I never saw it due to (I guess) no PSIP. The major markets that might be affected:

http://www.rabbitears.info/market.php?request=airbox

 

It doesn't affect my TiVo but it uses a cable card.

post #2123 of 2239
ION affiliates in major markets provide a so-called AirBox service (as detailed in Joe's link), where you rent a "cable" box from your ION station to tune special encrypted MPEG-4 channels that aren't available with a normal ATSC tuner. Unfortunately, ION provides PSIP data for those encrypted channels along with the PSIP for its regular channels (ION, qubo, and ION Life), and the PSIP for the encrypted channels confuses the TViX. Since it has poor error handling, its response to the unidentified PSIP is to turn itself off (without saving). As such, the only way to prevent the problem is to delete all of the ION channels from your channel list, so that the TViX won't try to scan them.

I know of no other tuners that have this problem; other DVRs and TVs just ignore the AirBox PSIP. I have, however, observed other stations causing similar problems (one of my PBS affiliates used to cause my LG TV to turn itself off when I tried to view guide data for the upcoming program). Joe doesn't have this problem, because he gets his channels via cable, and AirBox is OTA only.
post #2124 of 2239
I have an issue were I lose audio on 6-1 (ABC in Philly) but it comes back if I change channels and then go back to 6-1. Anyone else see this issue?
post #2125 of 2239
Does your TV exhibit the same problem, and does it happen during live TV, timeshifting, or playing back a recording only? If your TV has the same problem, you might want to post in the HDTV reception area of the forum; there should be a topic devoted to stations in your area there. Since it seems to happen during live TV, I'd wager that something is wrong at your ABC station.
post #2126 of 2239
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Originally Posted by Aleron Ives View Post

Does your TV exhibit the same problem, and does it happen during live TV, timeshifting, or playing back a recording only? If your TV has the same problem, you might want to post in the HDTV reception area of the forum; there should be a topic devoted to stations in your area there. Since it seems to happen during live TV, I'd wager that something is wrong at your ABC station.

Channel in the TV built in tuner is fine and audio never goes out. On the Tvix I might see a little video break up and then the sound goes out but never comes back on until I change to a different channel and then go back to 6-1 then the audio comes back. The signal level shows full bars when I press info and does not seem to drop down even when I did see the picture breakup.
post #2127 of 2239
Can you replicate this problem in a recording? If so, I would suggest transferring the recording to your PC and trying to play it with your media player to see if the problem manifests. If so, you'll at least know that the problem is with the content you're recording, rather than with what you're using to play it back.
post #2128 of 2239
I've seen the problem also. A few times with stations in NYC and a few times with NHPTV. It is on occasions when the signal is poor and there are many dropouts. It seems like the 6620 is unable to resync the audio following a dropout. Sometimes the audio comes back in a few seconds, sometimes it takes longer, and sometimes, like you said, you have to switch channels. Trying to improve the signal quality would help.
post #2129 of 2239
In case anybody else is interested, I did a few DVD tests today. If you connect a USB DVD drive to one of the rear USB ports, you should see a "ODD Plug-in" message in the upper right of the screen, and once you insert a disc, it will then say "DVD" or "DVD-R" and illuminate the disc icon at the top of the screen (next to the clock). Press the left arrow on the remote to open the Device menu, and then select ODD instead of HDD.

If you've burned video files to a DVD-R (or +R, I would assume), you can play them directly from the disc without having to copy them to the internal HDD. Depending on the file types, all standard transport operations work the same as they do for HDD files, including skip forward/back, rewind/fast forward, and jumping to chapters; you just may need to wait a bit longer for them to execute, due to the latency of the optical disc compared to the HDD. You can also play DVD-Video discs, as long as they aren't copy protected, and DVD menus will work as they would on a regular DVD player. Also note that if you stop video playback, you won't get a resume point the way you would with a file stored on the HDD.

The only problem I noticed was that once I stopped playing a file, the eject button on my drive wouldn't work anymore, and I had to use a paperclip to eject the disc manually. Doing this doesn't seem to let the TViX know that the tray got cycled, so if you want to switch discs, you either need to unplug the USB cable and connect it again or power cycle the DVR to read the contents of the new disc. I'll try later with a BD-R to see if I can play files stored on those, and I would assume that audio CDs and CD-Rs would also work.

At least this saves a little time by playing archived files directly from DVD, rather than having to copy them to a PC and transfer them to the HDD first. It's a nice, if minor, perk. wink.gif
post #2130 of 2239
Aleron, do you have any non-region 1, PAL/SECAM DVDs you could try? I'm curious whether this could be a way to get a region-free DVD player. I have some foreign DVDs that I have to use a hacked DVD player for, which I drag out and hook-up temporarily. Even if I use something like DVDfab to strip off the region codes, my Blu-ray player still won't handle anything that isn't NTSC.
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