AVerTV HD DVR: New PCIe HD Capture Card - Page 5

K, so you refuse to update your software, you refuse whatever suggetion because you know all. I like your enthusiast.

What I said is I'm not spending time on something (WME) that's really not that important to me when it's the ONLY thing I'm having a problem with. When every other media program plays and records audio perfectly (and I have a number of them) with the installed drivers, and I get a "codec" error message that doesn't identify the codec that is supposedly missing, it's just a guessing game as to the real problem. Yes, it's obvious that WME has some problem or conflict with my setup, but the programs I have installed work perfectly and I need them and use them regularly and WME just doesn't have the same level of importance. That's not lack of enthusiasm, just practicality.

Hello guys,

My PC specs: C2D E6600 + HD 500gb SATA 2 + 8Gb RAM + GF 9800 + Win 7 X64

All tests are in 720p - Component source. (Default PS3 games resolution)


AVERTV HD results softwares (name, mpeg/avi bitrate, average bitrate):


Aver Software: MPEG2 30.000 BT - 30.000 - 60fps, Perfect recorders files.

Nero 10 (MPEG2 mode) : 25.000 BT - AV 12.500 - 30/40 fps only

Nero 10 (AVI mode): Lagarith Codec Maximum performance - 35 fps only

VH Capture (AVI mode) : Huffyuv codec - Maximum performance - 60 fps, perfect recording

VH Capture (AVI mode) : Lagarith Codec Maximum performance - 35 fps only

POWER DIRECTOR 8 (MPEG mode): 25.000 BT - AV 25.000 - But 29,970 fps only record.

AVS4YOU (MPEG mode): 30.000 BT - AV 15.000 - 35 fps only.

I noticed the new Aver Media Center will alow up to 40,000 for a bitrate. Much better than 15,000. Kudos to Aver for that. Has anyone tried it yet? I noticed now my Comcast HDDVR will not work via HDMI because of HDCP protection. I have to use component. Bummer. I know the HDMI function works, because I can get my media player to work through the HDMI, and apparently there is no HDCP on this device. I'm wondering if those evil people at Comcast surreptitiously downloaded some update to my HD DVR box in the last few months, or the software starting recognizing a flag or what?

What Media Center version are you referring to? All I see on their site is 1.7.5 which is the original. The driver listed for XP 32-bit is also the original - not sure about other OSs. I don't see anything new there.

The HDMI is flaky. I used it with my Dish DVR and at first it worked fine. Then I had an audio problem and reinstalled and started getting the HDCP fail. Really doesn't matter since the audio is stereo only either way.

Comcast is now encrypting and/or requiring HDCP support on all content other then those local channels that it must carry as part of the Basic $ service IAW the FCC must carry rules.

720x480 = 15.000 MAX BTR
1280x720 = 30.000 MAX BTR
1920x1080 = 40.000 MAX BTR

For Comcast HDMI, use Virtual Dub.

Open VD, select avrtv source, preview mode. You get a black screen. Open the AVER Media Center. Now you get a normal images.

My PS3 record PERFECT with HDMI+VD.

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Please use it.

Thank you for the Virtual Dub tip.

I was not aware that it was 30,000 for 720p and 40,000 for 1080i. I guess I had it set to record in 1080i.

As for the person who asked about updated drivers, this was courtesy of a post by Mr. Deap earlier in this thread:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...1#post18771891

or direct Aver link:
http://www.avermedia-usa.com/AVerTV/...2&tab=APDriver

Just a quick question as I am thinking of buying one of these cards to get content off my D* dvr, I want to make sure I understand will this card will pass 5.1 through? I had thought it was only 2 channel but saw some posts earlier and would like a definitive answer.

Thanks in advance.

Is anyone able to record 5.1 audio from Comcast using DCX3400 + HDMI + Avermedia + Windows Media encoder? I can record video but the audio seems "protected". I do not have any problem recording via component and analog out.

Has anyone had sucess capturing analog video from VHCapture or VirtualDub via the composite/s-video connections? I have no problem with the AVer Mediacenter capturing uncompressed (720x480) avi, so I know my machine can handle uncompressed SD recording. If I try using any 3rd party programs, capture stutters and freezes like crazy no matter what.

OK, Figured out the secret to perfect captures in VirtualDub (at least in SD). Completely disable the audio and video preview during capture. If its enabled, you will drop frames and the audio will go horribly out of sync in a hurry. Capturing "blind" is the way to go, and will likely solve most of the woes that people are having with 3rd party capture software. Normally you would use the real time "overlay" for previewing video captures (like on the old ATI and Bt8x8 cards), but that function seems completely broken in the Direct Show drivers for this card. The AVer Mediacenter likely uses a non-standard way of enabling the overlay allowing previews.

Looks like I'm going to have to return this card. It seems to only want to work when it feels like it. Still having issues with the card completely dropping out during capture and audio sync problems. This shouldn't be happening with SD capture at all. Meanwhile my Matrox Marvel G400TV card from 1999 could do the same captures on a much slower computer with zero issues. I'm sure the hardware isn't at fault here, its likely the crap drivers.

Just an FYI, Avermedia released updated drivers and MediaCenter software for this card. Will have to give them a try after work. Hopefully they fix a few issues, and more importantly don't introduce new problems.

I also have a time-base corrector coming today that should help with my analog capture problems from video tape.

NOT UPGRADE TO NEW DRIVER.

This will block the HDMI RECORDING tip.

The upgrade software is OK.

Look: Virtualdub Tip

I actually resolved the issue. This card is extremely sensitive to sync issues inherit to video tape formats. A time-base correcter fixed the problem. It also helps to have the latest drivers, which are alot more stable when working with 3rd party DirectShow capture programs.

Grab the latest driver (released 9/21/10) here, but don't bother downloading MediaCenter 1.7.5, its not the latest version: http://www.avermedia-usa.com/avertv/...PDriver&id=482

Go here to grab MediaCenter 1.7.8, which supports AVI based capture for HD sources!: http://www.avermedia.com/avertv/Prod...3&tab=APDriver

Just received one of these from Amazon (shipped from TigerDirect) and it is not auto-detected in either of my available PCIE slots.

My system is a new Asus P7P55D-E Pro build running WIN7 Pro 64x.

Anyone else have this type of problem?

It works. Oddly the PCIEx1(4?) that the device seemed designed for did not work. Plugged into my other PCIEx16 connection works fine with the latest drivers. Go figure.

I got this card a week ago on a Newegg openbox special so I could record gameplay and it's decent BUT...

The Mpeg capture, while giving me the best overall quality, is un-editible. I'm using sony vegas platinum 9. and while the clip shows up in the timeline and looks good. Everytime I try to convert it to another format it renders out the movement fast and the last frame is frozen and it lasts the last quarter of the video.

Recording h.264 doesn't give me that problem, but the quality is slightly better in mpeg so I'd rather capture that way. Anybody know what's going on?

Download AVer Mediacenter 1.7.8 linked above, it lets you capture HD sources to AVI and compress the video with any codec you have installed on your system (ex: XviD). You can also use a 3rd party DirectShow capture programs like VirtualDub or VHCapture in conjunction with DirectShow codecs as well.

Appreciate the reply.

I've tried that, but I have win 7 64 bit and the codecs I have installed don't show up in aver media center 1.7.8. I've tried 64 bit and 32 bit codecs but they don't show up.

Looks like I just found a work around. Good ole, windows movie maker. I loaded the file in that and converted it into a 720p wmv that works and is in sync.

Rendering in Vegas now into mp4 to see how that looks. Hysterical that stock Win movie maker solved my problem.

Just got the card. Recording 1080i through component connection from a SA 8300HDC STB.

Specs
Motherboard: P35 chipset. Card installed in pci-e x1 slot.
CPU: Intel Q6600
Storage: Highpoint 2310 connected via eSATA adapter to SANS DIGITAL TR4M-BP port multiplier enclosure. Writing to (2) Western Digital RE 500GB drives in RAID 0.
Windows XP SP3
Drivers 1.12.0.29
AVer Mediacenter 1.7.8, capturing in MPEG-2, 1920x1080, VQ 40000, ASR 48000, AQ 256
Using Adobe Premiere Pro CS5 (on Win7 64-bit machine) to post-process.

Big thanks to all who posted tips in this thread. I've done some nice 720p60 and 1080i30 captures from my PS3 using VirtualDub and Huffyuv-MT with information from here and YouTube.

Finding the last driver version that still works with the HDCP (and analog Macrovision) trick was kind of a pain because they really aren't mirrored on any sites other than the official one, which doesn't link to any archive. After finding the current URL and plugging in the old numbers, getting the XP drivers is still slightly more confusing since they changed the naming layout in the latest version.

Anyway, I've compiled all of the drivers into a RAR. You can check that the digital signatures are valid if you don't trust me not to virusize them.

AVerMedia AVerTV HD DVR Drivers - 2010-06-04 - v1.12.X.22.rar

For the time being, they are still also available from the official server by the following links. 64-bit first and 32-bit second.
Windows 7: Win7_x64_v1.12.64.22.exe / Win7_x86_v1.12.0.22.exe
Windows Vista: Vista_x64_v1.12.64.22.exe / Vista_x86_v1.12.0.22.exe
Windows XP: Setup_x64_v1.12.64.22.exe / Setup_x86_v1.12.0.22.exe

I see reference to an HDCP/HDMI trick to allow this card to record protected content, but I don't know what the trick is. Can someone help me? I've installed the version 22 drivers (listed above) and have the latest aver media center software installed.

Basically you just have to have the AVer MediaCenter application open and it will do the HDCP handshake. Just leave it open on the main screen and don't click on the Capture tab or it will take exclusive control of preview/capture functionality.

Then open whatever app you will be using to actually capture and you should be able to see the HDMI preview by choosing AVerMedia BDA Analog Capture Secondary, Video Source SVideo. You may also have to adjust the capture pin's resolution and framerate to match your source before you see anything. For sound make sure that the audio is set to the second Audio Line on the card and that your source is only outputting 48kHz stereo PCM.

I use VirtualDub, which requires that you choose Preview instead of Overlay. Others in this thread have mentioned VHCapture and the Windows Media Encoder. Even GraphEdit can be used if you're up for graph building.

Thanks for the explanation. Tonight I tried using component cables and that works just fine (no HDCP to worry about). I'm trying to capture cartoons in HD, and 720p over component looks quite good enough.

thanks for all the invaluable info here. i installed the aver media center 1.7.8 and did a few quick tests recording material i had saved on my pvr via hdmi - no stutter, no audio sync issues.

however, when i open the recordings in tmpgenc, it shows 60fps and 720x480 and 4:3 no matter what i set in media center settings (have tried mpeg2 and avi, always 1920 x 1080 and 30 fps).

anyone know if this is a bug in the software, or am i missing something?

one related thought - based on someone's comment here, i only installed the media center, not the updated drivers. if anyone knows if i need to install the drivers that are on the same page as 1.7.8 media center, let me know.

thanks in advance,

les

If you're already using MediaCenter to capture then you can update the drivers. The old versions are to allow backing up protected content, which can't be done with the AVer software itself.

Check the details of the captures using something like MediaInfo or GSpot. TMPG may not deal with 1080i properly..?

Hi guys,

I have a few questions for those who routinely record either live streams, or previously-recorded content from external sources. (like an Cable tv HD DVR box)

My ultimate goal in setting up a HTPC...is to actually burn the programs I capture onto 25Gb and 50Gb high definition Blu-Ray discs. (final home for the HD content)

I would like to hear from anyone who can explain to me (in detail), what is the best path to take if this is my ultimate goal?

I am not really interested in transferring high-definition content from one hard drive device to another. (cable box to desktop computer)

My desktop's computer hard drive cannot be the final destination...

That would be a complete waste of time for me. I don't want to fill up multiple internal or external hard drives with HD programs. That's not a viable option for me long term. I would rather not go down that road...

I want the content to burned onto a stable, permanent, high-resolution removable media format (Blu-Ray), so I can eventually DELETE the original program content on my cable DVR box's hard drive. (and or desktop computer)

I want to be able to regain that available disk drive space, so I can record new HD content going forward.

Right now, I'm stuck with a number of high definition shows that really don't want to delete off my hard drive...but, there are also new high definition shows that I want to record as well.

So, I need to figure out the least complicated method to achieving this goal. (using my computer/capture card/software)

I'm sure that you guys can help me figure this out.

As of today, I have the Avermedia HD PCI-E capture card (not installed yet), a brand new Intel-based i7 Quad-core desktop rig (Dell XPS 9100), with 12Gb of Tri-channel DDR3 memory (1333MHz), two 1.5TB 7200 rpm hard drives, a 1GB GDDR5 Nvidia video card, and a 8x Bluray burner installed. (running Win 7 Professional 64-bit)

What else do I need to make perfect HD recorded copies of my favorite shows and sporting events off my cable DVR? (for my personal video library)

My head is spinning after reading all the posts in this thread.

Can someone give me a brief, concise, summary of the hardware/software configuration package they think I should try?

I'm just a little confused/lost as to what path is best to take here...

I'm more of an all-in-one pre-configured set top box guy.

Setting up a desktop computer MANUALLY to capture/record/burn HD content, is a little more daunting that I originally thought!

Especially since there seems to be a number of different hardware and software restrictions/hurdles involved.

Please help!

TIA

-Sean D.